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posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 04:15 AM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
And you think capitalism isn't frightening? Go talk to all the slave workers in 3rd world countries due to having no regulations or minimum wage.

Speaking from the third world, it's worse than the US, even with regulations and minimum wage on the books, when the loopholes are built into the laws.




posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 04:18 AM
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Originally posted by timetothink
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That's the fault of their corrupt governments which are mostly dictatorships, communism and socialism....so it only makes your case less convincing.

They don't live under republic government where they get to vote on laws to help themselves....you are actually making my case for me...thanks.

BS, many 3rd world countries are constitutional republics with a representative government and even a bill of rights, taken right from the US playbook.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 04:27 AM
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LOL, you think I couldn't find western examples?

Capitalism is an economic system, not governmental. In a socialist workplace you would not ever have to worry about corporations buying your government because the workers own the production and make the workplace rules...not CEOS. They set their own minimum wage, they do not need the gov to do it for them. This is why unions are a product of capitalism.

But you think capitalism isn't terrifying in the USA? The workers productivity keeps rising, corporate profit rising and their wage, benefits, and retirement plans continue to fall.

Go talk to all the over-worked under paid workers in western countries. All the people working for multi-billion profitable companies that will not pay them a living wage. All the people working almost full-time hours so the corporation will not have to give them benefits.

One example is the Caterpillar company who wants to cut workers wages by 50% when they are making all time profits.



Corporate profits are higher than ever, but for many workers, things just keep getting worse.

Take the situation unfolding at Caterpillar Inc.'s London, Ontario plant. The company, the world's largest heavy machinery manufacturer, is insisting that Canadian workers take a 50 percent pay cut, give up their current pension plan and swallow a significant reduction in benefits. On Jan. 1, Caterpillar locked out the plant's 465 workers, refusing to let them do their jobs until they make these sacrifices.



Corporate profits are at their highest level in decades while worker compensation is at a relative 50-year low. Much hope has been placed in the rebound of North American manufacturing, but while the industry has added some 334,000 positions in the past two years, many of the new jobs don't pay the old middle class wages.

"The larger story is that an extraordinarily profitable company like Caterpillar has determined that a fair standard of living for a semi-skilled manufacturing employee is $24,000 a year," Kaboolian said. "Let's face it -- every time workers lose a fight like this, American business gets a clear message that you can ratchet down the wages a little further."


www.huffingtonpost.com...

It's weird that you can't see the horror of capitalism taking place right before your eyes.



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posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 05:14 AM
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Obama is smaller evil .Period. If romney wins you will see hell on earth .Neocons are not human beings.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 05:28 AM
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Originally posted by neo96
Still underwater on a mortgage, still out of work as of this moment what the hell is going to change in the next 4 years that all that "success" of the past 4 years solve?.
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Newsflash - America is in more than $15 TRILLION of debt.

It doesn't matter if your government is left or right. It doesn't matter if they approve gay marriage or not. It doesn't matter if they go to war with Iran on behalf of Israel. It doesn't matter, because your country is already screwed!

What part of this do people not understand? Debt of that level is unsupportable, incomprehensible, insane. Nothing your government does will do anything to fix that level of debt. They could run the presses 24 hours a day for the next 20 years and it would do nothing!

Bush started the bailouts. Bush enacted the Patriot Act. Bush gave his corporate buddies tax breaks that YOU had to pay on their behalf, while they also took jobs out of the country, and hid their money in tax havens too!

No matter what Obama has done, or not done, the Republican party is grossly incapable of running the US for the people of the nation. While I do not support either party, I would choose the lesser of two evils.

The right-wing can try to put lipstick on a pig all they like, the Republican party has proven that it is religiously fanatical, greedy, selfish, homophobic, sexist, racist, idiotic and downright dangerous.

Tell me, as a Republican supporter, do you also support the party changing their own voting system without consultation, as seen in the video where it was already scripted that the speaker would ignore the vote count and pass the change anyway?

That is a dictatorship, within their own party. If they are willing to do that to their own party, how do you think it would go for the rest of the nation if they ever gained power to do it?

If people can watch that kind of blatant abuse and fraud on video, for all to see, with their own party members walking out in a rage and in protest, and STILL support the party, then I don't know what to say about that. I would suggest seeking medical help, because there would have to be something wrong with you.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 05:32 AM
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All these "-isms"!


What it boils down to is big government, MORE government vs. smaller government, less government.

Vote for what you want.

Obama=big government

Romney=(I hope) small government.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 05:36 AM
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Originally posted by finitedualities
The fact that people still think there's a difference between the two is hilarious. Maybe lurk around here some more, or better yet, push your head even further into the sand, lmao.


Thank you.

Money, money, money... Must be funny... In the rich man's world.
Money, money, money... Always sunny... In the rich man's world.
Aha-ahaaa
All the things I could do... If I had a little money...
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posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 05:42 AM
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So, the "lessor of the two evils" deserve "less" criticism even though they outspent the "more evil, evil" in less time. LOL
National Debt has increased more under Obama than under Bush By Mark Knoller
www.cbsnews.com...


Originally posted by detachedindividual

Originally posted by neo96
Still underwater on a mortgage, still out of work as of this moment what the hell is going to change in the next 4 years that all that "success" of the past 4 years solve?.
edit on 1-9-2012 by neo96 because: (no reason given)


Newsflash - America is in more than $15 TRILLION of debt.

It doesn't matter if your government is left or right. It doesn't matter if they approve gay marriage or not. It doesn't matter if they go to war with Iran on behalf of Israel. It doesn't matter, because your country is already screwed!

What part of this do people not understand? Debt of that level is unsupportable, incomprehensible, insane. Nothing your government does will do anything to fix that level of debt. They could run the presses 24 hours a day for the next 20 years and it would do nothing!

Bush started the bailouts. Bush enacted the Patriot Act. Bush gave his corporate buddies tax breaks that YOU had to pay on their behalf, while they also took jobs out of the country, and hid their money in tax havens too!

No matter what Obama has done, or not done, the Republican party is grossly incapable of running the US for the people of the nation. While I do not support either party, I would choose the lesser of two evils.

The right-wing can try to put lipstick on a pig all they like, the Republican party has proven that it is religiously fanatical, greedy, selfish, homophobic, sexist, racist, idiotic and downright dangerous.

Tell me, as a Republican supporter, do you also support the party changing their own voting system without consultation, as seen in the video where it was already scripted that the speaker would ignore the vote count and pass the change anyway?

That is a dictatorship, within their own party. If they are willing to do that to their own party, how do you think it would go for the rest of the nation if they ever gained power to do it?

If people can watch that kind of blatant abuse and fraud on video, for all to see, with their own party members walking out in a rage and in protest, and STILL support the party, then I don't know what to say about that. I would suggest seeking medical help, because there would have to be something wrong with you.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 05:44 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer
All these "-isms"!


What it boils down to is big government, MORE government vs. smaller government, less government.

Vote for what you want.

Obama=big government

Romney=(I hope) small government.


Please outline in what way exactly will Romney create small government?
I see people suggest this all the time, but I have yet to see any real proof of exactly how he intends to do that. And he intends to do that while removing the rights of gay people, while removing the rights of women to make decisions about their own body, and he plans to do that while growing the economy (in some mysterious way that he also hasn't stated)...

So he plans to fundamentally change the nation, while removing sections of government too? Wow, the guy must be a wizard. Or perhaps he just plans to outsource government jobs to China, so he can pay someone in a fenced in warehouse $5 a day to process federal paperwork. That will look good for about 6 months, until the US unemployment figures leap up.

From what I've seen of Romney, it seems that people are swallowing a whole heap of brain farts. He'll either preach about something emotive like gay marriage to get the bible thumper's on side, or make some thinly veiled attack against Obama. But I haven't seen any suggestions about how he would actually change things.

Maybe I missed the amazing ideas he gave in a speech some time, because all I've seen is religious BS and attacks on Obama. I know what the guy stands for (and that scares me) but I have yet to hear any plan.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 05:47 AM
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Obama wants bigger government, Obama HAS GROWN the government. Obama thinks the government is the end-all be-all to everything.

Romney doesn't. I hope (remember hope and change?) that he doesn't grow government.

That would be bad.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 05:50 AM
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Originally posted by RELDDIR
So, the "lessor of the two evils" deserve "less" criticism even though they outspent the "more evil, evil" in less time. LOL
National Debt has increased more under Obama than under Bush By Mark Knoller
www.cbsnews.com...


Wow, what a huge steaming pile of right-wing BS that article is! So it's not just those Republican politicians at the RNC who lie through their teeth and expect to get away with it, they have biased journalists like Mark Knoller as inspiration!

Reagan more than doubled the national debt. Reagan and GHW Bush together nearly quadrupled it. So when you compare Obama to the last three Republican Presidents, even with poor projecting and poor alignment of budgets to the presidents who make them, Obama STILL would have the best record on fiscal responsibility.

Try again with another article, I would like to see what fake numbers you come up with for the next one



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 05:52 AM
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You win, there's no point to argue FACT with YOU.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 05:53 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer
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Obama wants bigger government, Obama HAS GROWN the government. Obama thinks the government is the end-all be-all to everything.

Romney doesn't. I hope (remember hope and change?) that he doesn't grow government.

That would be bad.


So your basing your support of Romney on the "hope" that he "might" find "some way" to reduce government while fundamentally trying to change the lives of millions of Americans too?

I'm genuinely interested to see how Obama has increased government. Are there any statistics to show how he's done this? Really, I would like to see the numbers. It won't change my opinion of the Republican party one iota, but like I said I don't support Obama either and would like to know the facts about his growth of government.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 05:55 AM
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Originally posted by RELDDIR
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You win, there's no point to argue FACT with YOU.


Well, it would help if you were actually presenting facts, rather than right wing dogma. The "fingers in ears" policy to evidence, science and facts seems pandemic when it comes to Republican supporters.

It seems that Republicans don't like facts, they prefer to make their own, or just quote the Bible when they're faced with one of those nasty factoids.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 05:57 AM
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Originally posted by timetothink
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Then for all of us here...IN YOUR OWN WORDS...explain socialism......I'll be waiting....

I'll bite.
In the before time there were men who said that the political power they had was ordained by God.
We know this time as the feudal age. Liberalism was the awakening from this lie. Those who were at risk losing their social position fought back (conservatism) and there was much war.
But the people didn't get bread or peace. Just another kind of master - The strong in financial capital. So in time socialism naturally came to be to counter greed and inhumanity.
So that's where we are today. The rich elite against those who work for a living. Liberals claiming that social justice is a threat to their freedom. Conservatists claiming liberals are a threat to their freedom.
And workers shaking their heads in disbelief over this circus.

Whadayah think? I did good?



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 06:00 AM
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Talking about facts, why don't you use the U.S. Government websites to find the numbers and reference them to your arguements about Obama vs. Bush on deficits? Prove your point. Otherwise don't open your mouth.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 06:06 AM
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Originally posted by detachedindividual


So your basing your support of Romney on the "hope" that he "might" find "some way" to reduce government while fundamentally trying to change the lives of millions of Americans too?

I'm genuinely interested to see how Obama has increased government. Are there any statistics to show how he's done this? Really, I would like to see the numbers. It won't change my opinion of the Republican party one iota, but like I said I don't support Obama either and would like to know the facts about his growth of government.


You're either being obtuse or you're not very brght.

ACA?

Really? You don't know about Obamacare?
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posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 06:08 AM
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Totally agree beezer. Whenever all of ACA (Obamacare) is fully implemented, people will finally realize it's a disaster.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 06:15 AM
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Really? You don't know about Obamacare?


You really don't know that Obamacare is identical to Romneycare?



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 06:17 AM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
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Really? You don't know about Obamacare?


You really don't know that Obamacare is identical to Romneycare?



Really?

Can you source for me where Romney fined me for not entering into his program?

Waiting.





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