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posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:38 AM
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In my opinion, the education system in the U.S. has been infiltrated by the left. It happened during the Vietnam War. Those that didn't go to war, got educated, got ahead and now run the education system. Textbooks won't do anygood, they were not written by those who fought the country, but instead by those who protested against it.




posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:39 AM
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You know the Nazis were The National Socialist Party right?


China calls itself communist, doesn't mean it is.

The workers did not own the means of production in Germany, therefore it was not socialist. Hitler was a crony capitalist and fascist.


In America it called a UNION...and GM and Chrysler


No we don't. Unions are a product of capitalism. In a socialist country there wouldn't need to a union, because the workers would call the shots and own the building, machines, and everything else ie; the means of production.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:40 AM
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NO....YOU ARE WRONG>>>>


so·cial·ism noun \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\ Definition of SOCIALISM
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done


www.merriam-webster.com...

See the school system along with the Liberal Democratic Party has done a number on this country, trying whitewash evil and make you think they have your best interests at heart.

Instead of fighting the truth so hard and insisting on supporting them for ideology, just open your minds and do some rational thinking and study!!!



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:40 AM
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Try getting getting higher wages in China by protesting.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:43 AM
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It;s the truth....by way of the Teacher's Union and colleges.

if it wasn't so late I would show you how they have fixed the textbooks to fit their agenda....but I am too tired now.

It is sickening...but I am glad I grew up when I did because it wasn't as bad, I saw alot of what was going on and the books weren't being cooked so much yet.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:43 AM
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I have an idea. Let's socialize the internet as an example. The problem is there won't be enough bandwidth for everyone in the world to go online. The problem with socialism is the hypocrisy of it.


Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by timetothink
 



You know the Nazis were The National Socialist Party right?


China calls itself communist, doesn't mean it is.

The workers did not own the means of production in Germany, therefore it was not socialist. Hitler was a crony capitalist and fascist.


In America it called a UNION...and GM and Chrysler


No we don't. Unions are a product of capitalism. In a socialist country there wouldn't need to a union, because the workers would call the shots and own the building, machines, and everything else ie; the means of production.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:44 AM
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Umm the dictionary is not accurate, go read Marx, where the theory actually came from. It is the workers owning the means of production.

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posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:44 AM
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Read read read read...you are wrong about socialism for the millionth time...

sleep on that....good night.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:45 AM
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No, YOU are. You are quoting a dictionary, I'm quoting the actual source of the theory, from Marx. Like I said go read Marx because you have no clue what you are talking about.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:47 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer
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The Leftists next week will swoon over the oratory skills emitting from the pie-holes of the idiots speaking of everything but;
the economy, unemployment, GDP, consumer confidence, the war in Afghanistan, Obama's kill-list, raising taxes, cost of food increases, cost of gas increases, Hurricane Issac, drones in AMerican skies, UN tax decrees, ACA, ad nauseum.



im pretty sure half the things you just listed weren't mentioned by any of the RNC speakers, let alone Mitt himself.. Lets be fair now.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:49 AM
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Originally posted by RELDDIR
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Try getting getting higher wages in China by protesting.


That has nothing to do with the economic system China is ran by....that's just an authoritarian government.

The USA and China has nearly the same economic system by the way.


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posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:49 AM
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Originally posted by Hefficide
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If you want some rational debating points from a person who is perceived as a "leftist" then I'll happily provide them. In fact I am eager to because this growing gulf between the parties and the fact that people are more and more often referring to themselves as "Republican" or "Democrat", instead of "American". It's troubling and, in my opinion, both Sun Tsu and Machiavelli would be wringing their hands in delight over what's happening in this country right now.

So here are some thoughts...

1) Call home our troops and make a clear policy of only going to war when it is in the primary interest of America and the American people. Wars, historically, were boons to industry, employment, and work. This time it's backfired on us and now our social services are stressed to the hilt by returning veterans who cannot find work and many of them are now physically or psychologically damaged or disabled to boot. This past decade of war has pushed us to the limit and hasn't helped industry or employment at all.

2) Abolish lobbying and Super Pacs. Make both of these "professions" illegal.

3) Focus upon corruption, misappropriation, fraud, waste, and irresponsible governmental spending.

4) Modernize and streamline all Federal and state government programs and agencies. Run them like a true businessman would run them, and not like they were part of an over-bloated, wild-west, anything goes, barely any accountability bureaucracy. Consolidate all the redundant jobs, modernize, and make Civil Servants pay performance based instead of flat salary.

5) Stop borrowing money to pay off interest on previously borrowed money. This is how average citizens created the housing and credit bubbles - we should expect government to do more.

6) Allow the Bush tax cuts to expire.

7) Discuss some form of flat tax that doesn't favor the rich nor punish the middle or bottom income families.

8) Abolish the Fed.

9) Take steps to get away from a fiat based currency economy.

10) Reform social services so that it's harder for criminals to abuse the system by committing fraud.

11) Tort reform to stop frivolous litigation, which clogs up our courtrooms and excuses corporate greed.

12) Fix the medical system - either by universal healthcare or a structured set of rules preventing HMO's, doctors, and insurance companies from price gouging.

13) Create a common sense set of rules to keep Wall Street, banks, and conglomerates from having both hands and both feet in the cookie jar.

There's a start.

~Heff




I can go thru your list one by one and thou I agree with some of what you said , others things you think will "improve" America will just implode it.

I find it funny that you think insurance companies are price gouging. You ever stop to think and ask yourself WHY is it that other forms of insurance are so much cheaper EXCEPT for medical insurance.

What's the one thing you can do with every other type of insurance that you CAN'T do with health insurance? YOU CAN'T BUY ACROSS STATE-LINES. Lack of competition DRIVES UP COST, I can give you a list of things that drive up cost but I wouldn't have enough room. Over-regulation and the lack of legal protection for medical workers drive up costs exponentially (doctor's order multiple tests not for their own health, they just want to be sure their butts is covered when they get sued by ambulance chasers.) I can start a whole new page on the costs of malpractice insurance and how much doctors get bent over by it.

I can list a lot more things for you but I'm sure you get my idea at what I'm saying. Now if you want to accuse a particular medical industry of price gouging and you would have definite traction PHARMA is what you want to focus on.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:58 AM
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A little more info for those willing to read:


According to historian Richard Pipes, communism -- a term that was coined in Paris in the 1840s -- refers to an ideal of "full social equality that in its most extreme form calls for the dissolution of the individual in the community."

"Inasmuch as social and economic inequalities derive primarily from inequalities of possession," says Pipes, communism's attainment, by definition, requires the "abolition of private property."

While this theoretical ideal has an ancient heritage, communism as an operational program is most closely associated with the names of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, authors of the famous Communist Manifesto of 1848.


www.discoverthenetworks.org...


Marxist doctrine holds that just as society evolved from feudalism to capitalism, it will inexorably progress still further to socialism and eventually communism.

Communists consider socialism to be an intermediary step between capitalism (out of which socialism is said to grow) and communism.

That is, communism (whose motto is “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”) is deemed a further development, or “higher stage,” of socialism (whose motto is “From each according to his ability, to each according to his deeds”).

Communism, in other words, is viewed as the more “perfect” of two systems that both advocate public ownership of the means of production, centralized economic planning, and the widespread redistribution of wealth.


This is the socialism I believe has been falsely sold to the US population....and it has never been achieved:


utopian socialism   noun
an economic system based on the premise that if capital voluntarily surrendered its ownership of the means of production to the state or the workers, unemployment and poverty would be abolished.


dictionary.reference.com...



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 04:00 AM
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Sorry but I'm using the original definition.

We can agree to disagree but it doesn't make you any more correct.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 04:01 AM
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Quoting Marx is even more frightening....I weep for our future....




posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 04:03 AM
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I covered the medical pricing issues in "reform the system" and "tort reform". And, yes, all insurance companies gouge for profit. They are rolling in the profits...


Health Insurers Making Record Profits as Many Postpone Care

The nation’s major health insurers are barreling into a third year of record profits, enriched in recent months by a lingering recessionary mind-set among Americans who are postponing or forgoing medical care.

Yet the companies continue to press for higher premiums, even though their reserve coffers are flush with profits and shareholders have been rewarded with new dividends. Many defend proposed double-digit increases in the rates they charge, citing a need for protection against any sudden uptick in demand once people have more money to spend on their health, as well as the rising price of care.


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Insurance companies' plans ensure profits

Few of us believe that our health insurance company is trying to kill us, but many share Cook's opinion that the system is perverted. Hiking premiums by 9 percent a year, U.S. health insurers just finished banking their third year of record-breaking profits.

The Affordable Care Act, when it launches in 2014 — if the U.S. Supreme Court doesn't declare it unconstitutional — will force another 16 million people to buy private health insurance. While proclaiming their opposition to the ACA, the insurance companies are actually playing a double game, positioning themselves to profit handsomely, no matter which way the court rules.
The insurance lobby began playing this game in 2009, when the ACA was being debated in Congress. While the insurance companies sat at the table, helping to draft the legislation, they secretly funneled $86.2 million to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, which strenuously opposed health care reform. The Chamber used this money, representing 40 percent of its yearly budget, to "advance a market-based health care system ....." In practice, what they managed to do was strip from the ACA a "public option," which would have allowed the government to compete with the corporations in offering medical insurance.


Source

And, just as with car insurance, when it was made mandatory... once the ACA gets moving, the premiums will go up- producing even more profits for the insurance companies. They know this... their own lobbyists help create the legislation. Buying across state lines won't be an issue. These insurers are predominantly national companies. For example... I had Kaiser in California, Texas, and Georgia, all the same policy.

"Over regulation" is a smoke screen to make folks not realize that they've been duped.

~Heff



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 04:05 AM
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Strawman arguments will get you nowhere around here.

The future will be whatever it has to be.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 04:07 AM
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The Marxist conception of socialism is that of a specific historical phase that will displace capitalism and precede communism. The major characteristics of socialism (particularly as conceived by Marx and Engels after the Paris Commune of 1871) are that the proletariat (workers) will control the means of production through a workers' state erected by the workers in their interests. Economic activity would still be organised through the use of incentive systems and social classes would still exist, but to a lesser and diminishing extent than under capitalism


en.wikipedia.org...

As you can see it has nothing to do with the government owning anything. Can you explain to me about why the workers owning the means of production is a bad thing? There are a few worker owned companies in the USA.



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posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 04:10 AM
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Quoting Marx is even more frightening....I weep for our future....


And you think capitalism isn't frightening? Go talk to all the slave workers in 3rd world countries due to having no regulations or minimum wage.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 04:15 AM
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That's the fault of their corrupt governments which are mostly dictatorships, communism and socialism....so it only makes your case less convincing.

They don't live under republic government where they get to vote on laws to help themselves....you are actually making my case for me...thanks.






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