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posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:12 AM
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reply to post by RealSpoke
 


Then for all of us here...IN YOUR OWN WORDS...explain socialism......I'll be waiting....




posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:13 AM
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I did not state it was a credible source, I said source. I also said that I hadn't had time to fact check or corroborate. Once I've done that, then I'll decide if the source is credible or fallacious. I don't believe anything I read until I can cross check it eight ways 'til Sunday.

And even then I only half believe.


~Heff



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:14 AM
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They may like Ron Paul more that the info is out that he has been working with Soros too!!



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:15 AM
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When the workers own the means of production.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:17 AM
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Originally posted by Hefficide



I do not identify myself with any party label. I don't care you if you call me a libtard and start a national libtard movement in my honor... if the policies and morals of that movement match my sense of right and wrong I'll gladly vote for any and all libtard candidates that run for office. The name of the party matters not - It's what they stand for that means something. And, for awhile, the Tea Party seemed to be saying the things I wanted to hear.



Being A former RP supporter, I loved the idea, of what he did, when I was supporting him. He was, and always will be the founder of our modern Tea Party movement, along with those that on "Tax day", send tea bags, to the IRS. Is the message now diluted? Only if those who are willing to play along in the game, make it so. Is it bought and paid for? maybe. Its still a thorn in the GOP's side, and that has to be worth something. Are their ignorant people out there, claiming to be Tea Partiers? You bet. For me though, its about what you take out of it.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:17 AM
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That's exactly why I moved out of California.

Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by timetothink
 


When the workers own the means of production.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:18 AM
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reply to post by RealSpoke
 


Honey I have been studying commies and socialism for 30 years....

I grew up during a time when we knew the horrors of the systems, it was talked about widely and we had a good fear of it....not some romanticized version that they teach in school now and get you to vote for thinking it is wonderful.

So like I said and this time I mean it.................DONE!!!!!



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:18 AM
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Originally posted by timetothink
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And I suppose Obama owes nothing to Soros, Buffet etc??

You're funny....


Not as funny as you. You saw where i said Obama is bought and paid for in my post right?

No? You just used that jerking knee of yours to provide a typical response. I said there are no left leaning candidates out there on the political spectrum. Bernie Sanders(Independent) would be my vote, who has paid for him?

I don't support the ruling class in any form, whether they be Liberal or Conservative. The Dems and Republicans, just 2 cheeks on the same arse. I just Like the republican cheek less.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:18 AM
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reply to post by RELDDIR
 


Socialist democracy workplaces are very very few rare in the USA. I can't imagine California has enough for you to move out of there.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:21 AM
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LOL, so you've learned what Socialism was from cold war propaganda? You know it isn't going to be accurate. The USSR wasn't communist, it was fascist by the way.




posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:24 AM
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California people are an entity in their own class. They want everything for free or cheap, but they are not willing to work for free or cheap. Economically, that's equivalent to "workers owning the means to production." Except that the workers aren't willing to take "ownership" or what they do. They rather just have the benefits of being the owner, while not heeding the responsibilities of one. Calling in sick, working 8 hour days, taking holidays off, protesting while you're making $90K+ are just one of many examples.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:25 AM
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You are only partially right, sometimes.....better get back to the books.

You know the Nazis were The National Socialist Party right?

There is alot more to socialism than what you think and Obama's version is the one where the government owns the means of production....that is socialism. SURPRISE!!! No property rights, no owning of businesses and the government also owns all other business....hospitals ie healthcare, farms...your house etc...enjoy your studies, you find it fascinating.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:26 AM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
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Why are you a former RP supporter?


I support him, but I didn't support him this time around. I expected him to do much more, say more, force the establishments hand, even more. What he did do right, was make people think. The Old guard, who vote these idiots in,are going to wake up one day,and realize the young folks are now the Majority. Many RP supporters now understand, what you need to do, to actually win the Presidency. My only problem is there isnt another Ron Paul.......



I am voting for Johnson.


I know it pisses people off, but thats how I am voting.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:28 AM
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reply to post by RealSpoke
 


In America it called a UNION...and GM and Chrysler



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:30 AM
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reply to post by timetothink
 


You're right Obama didn't bailout GM, he bailed out the Unions.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:30 AM
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Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by RealSpoke
 


In America it called a UNION...and GM and Chrysler

Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power. ~Benito Mussolini

Who owns GM?



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:33 AM
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It wasn't propoganda...it was real...those of us that lived during trying times witnessed it....not the revised version you learned in school a few years ago.

Were you there to see the wall come down?

To see what Russia did to it's own people and others?

No socialist government or communist government has EVER been a success....why is that? They never lasted long, certainly not over 200 years like our country.

There was a time when trying to bring communism to the US was a crime and it still should be.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:33 AM
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Free market means free market, with no rules and regulations whatsoever that give one side advantage over another. Our system is no longer a free market, but a liberal collusion instigated by the liberal economic trade theory.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:33 AM
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Originally posted by timetothink
You know the Nazis were The National Socialist Party right?

A party can call themselves whatever they want but their actions define what they really are.


There is alot more to socialism than what you think and Obama's version is the one where the government owns the means of production....that is socialism. SURPRISE!!! No property rights, no owning of businesses and the government also owns all other business....hospitals ie healthcare, farms...your house etc...enjoy your studies, you find it fascinating.

Sorry but you're wrong. If the government owns the means of production then it isn't socialism.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:34 AM
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Originally posted by RELDDIR
reply to post by sonnny1
 


Free market means free market, with no rules and regulations whatsoever that give one side advantage over another. Our system is no longer a free market, but a liberal collusion instigated by the liberal economic trade theory.


So who owns GM?

I think Benito, is 100% right.





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