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Originally posted by neo96
After reading a few threads about the last week that was nothing more than bash the evil righties I wait with baited breath that those people who did not waste any time "pointing" out the errors of the evil Republicans and do the same to the Democrats.

The DNC convention is up and coming and I want to see those critics hold their own party to the same standards they set for the Republicans This week.

Come on be as viscious, and as condenscending as those threads show who is morally and intellectually "superior".

Come on ATS show how "fair and balanced" we are. From a no name senator turned Potus whose abismal performance of the last 4 years that they have to drag out Clinton who was a tad bit better than the golden boy of the left.

Go on let's hear the criticism of Fluke speaking and the left's never ending push for corporate products, Birth control,education.alternative energy.

Or the same old tune of "infrastructure" is the key to solving the current financial crisis of Government spending

Let's here the plan to end the massive spending in this country that doesn't end up with an OWS slogan of tax the rich.

Let's hear some substance for once instead of "cess pool debate talking points" that have been spoken on this site for years.

It is one's perogative to hate the Republican's but still the past week I heard nothing new from the Republican critics.

Who am I kidding that will never happen 4 more years of the same failed ideology, 4 more years of the same recycled rhetoric.

First off, your post is rather hard to follow as you write as though you were semi-illiterate at best -- not the best way to try to make a compelling argument.

But to respond to your points:

1) First, what have the Republicans done to fix things? They control the House of Reps. and they have filibuster power in the Senate. They have offered nothing in the last four years to improve the economy and have fought the Dems legislatively at every turn. All the Repubs have offered are tax cuts primarily for the rich -- which have been shown not to work -- and bills to take away women's health rights and voters' rights. During the convention they have offered nothing else. You state that you heard nothing new from Repb critics, well what was new from the Repub politicians? NOTHING. Why should critics have to change their talking points when those they are criticizing are parroting the same old crap?

As for conventions, I only watched Clint Eastwood's old-man's rant and found it bad/sad/pathetic/ugly in every sense. Not only was he blaming Obama for things that started under Bush II, but that backdrop of his Josey Wells character holding two six guns was in terrible taste, given the recent spate of shootings and the shooting of Gabby Gifford and others in Arizona. Seems iconography of weapons does not belong at a political rally or convention.

That said, I don't plan on watching or listening to much of the Dem convention either. There will just be a lot of fulsome BS spouted there too. However, I think there will be a bit less mendacity coming out of the Democrats at their convention than was spewed by the Republicans at theres. FTR, there are two classes of "liberals" -- ones that support the Democratic Party no matter what and those that support democratic ideals. I am one of the latter. I have been a very vocal critic of most all of Obama's policies and of his performance as president. I and others will still vote for him over Romney as a case of voting for the lesser evil. I'm not happy about my choices.

But why you think, in the realm of partisan politics, that one party has to criticize its own (in this case the Dem P), but you don't demand the same of the Repub P? This clearly shows what a double standard you hold. The Repub P. is notorious/famous for not criticizing their own, so why should the Dems play that self-defeating game?

Furthermore, I challenge you to provide one good policy in the Repub platform that will improve the economy, and before you try to say tax cuts primarily for the rich, let's be honest and take that one off the table because it hasn't worked yet. Neither has deregulation; that's what caused the financial mess in the first place.

You demand that your political opponents criticize their party, but you can't provide any positive ideas that were offered at your party's convention. FAIL.

reply to post by neo96


Unfortunately, it is the nature of political "discussion" to be mean-spirited and one-sided. Lately, we seem to be more vicious than usual, but it's never pretty even at its best. Yes, the RNC was ridiculed. The Dems are next. Both sides are guilty of lying, perversions of logic, unconscionable behavior, dirty tricks, and so on. Neither side is innocent. Both sides are equally guilty of the same crimes. An election year is an awful time of ill-will and deceit.

Personally, I find it better to avoid public political discussion, because it so quickly and inevitably degenerates into name-calling, rhetoric, and bovine dejecta. I'm not going to persuade anyone to change his beliefs. About all I'm likely to accomplish is getting into yet another idiotic political argument that goes exactly nowhere, leaving me feeling exhausted and upset.

I haven't seen this degree of incivility and outright flagrant lies since the days of Nixon, Watergate, the Vietnam War, and all that stuff. I'm not sure what it is that has so greatly polarized our country that we cannot have a civil debate about politics. Sadly, we seem unable to rise above the level of grade-school bullies for some reason.

reply to post by neo96


Common... bashing right wingers is like shooting fish in a barrel.
It's so easy to do and oh so satisfying.
lol.

but seriously. How can you run on a platform of morality and goodness and then be just as bad as the democrats you are putting down?

Not that the Democrats are perfect. But at least they aren't saying they are morally better than the other guy.

I am an independent and have been for many years. WHY? Because most of us in the country are not extreme left or right.

And you damn well better bet when the DNC comes up I will do EXACTLY THE SAME!

I am sick and tire of the TWO PARTY ONE AGENDA that seems to be taking over this country!

I just wish people who tow the party line would wake up to it and stop supporting bad candidates and stop VOTING AGAINST A CANDIDATE! That is a ridiculous waste of our liberty!

This isn't about the DNC, or even the RNC, it's about whether or not we will become a Socialist state, which will certainly be possible if you elect Obama. Not sure I'd want to take that chance.

Originally posted by morefiber
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

I see what you are saying, but I also see the difference from a $2,000 one time, per person, donation to whatever political group one wants, and unlimited campaign contributions by anyone or any corporation. I don't think a corporation should be allowed to donate any money WSE to political groups or affiliates.

Yep. Not only are campaign contributions legal within the united states, they are ALSO legal from foreigners overseas. I believe some big shots from the middle east, probably uae and saudi arabia, made some pretty big donations.

That means we are sold to the global elite officially!

Originally posted by neo96

4 more years of the same crap different day but hey Voted for Obama because Republicans are evil incarnate Just one thing:

Still underwater on a mortgage, still out of work as of this moment what the hell is going to change in the next 4 years that all that "success" of the past 4 years solve?.

edit on 1-9-2012 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

Just got a mortgage for 3.4%. Been working throughout the recession. 22 1/2 percent pay raise over five years. My health benefits are like military benefits and cost 200 bucks a month for my entire family.....Oh wait!

Im a democrat.....


AND I'M UNION!!!!!!

Thank you Mr. Obama for keeping me working.

Everyone knows the system is rigged.

But few know why. Just lots of childish whinning.

ATS used to be AboveTopSecret, now it is not even confidential.

Try the secret covenant. It explains everything you could dream of.

Someone asked me of the masonic bankers, apparently they are not aware of the knight templars and the role they played in the holy crusades. That they were monk-warriors of the vatican that later changed to banking in switzerland. Apparently no one reads dan brown novels or other highly controversial material. It is said masonry evolved from the knight templar bankers and they in turn control private central banks, who in turn are controlled by monarch families of europe.

Americans thought by winning their independence from britain and king george 3rd, that somehow they were free. I guess the russians and french thought the same thing with their revolutionary wars. What a crock. The blue bloods have a direct connection with lucifer and the reptilians.

Originally posted by kevpa
This isn't about the DNC, or even the RNC, it's about whether or not we will become a Socialist state, which will certainly be possible if you elect Obama. Not sure I'd want to take that chance.

That's ridiculous. It's about money.
Those who have too much wants more. And no coutry can take more of that..
It's about how what wall street does is in now way labour but still gets richly rewarded. And both democrats and republicans are okay with this. It's about both parties being so okay with it they shower the thieves with tax money for causing so much damage.
It's about how those "too big to fail" got USA by the throat and we aren't suppose to talk about it.
And how criticising the right wing for all this is now called bashing.
That's what it's about.

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I think you're confused here.

Obama became president. Where's the socialist state?

Ohhhh right! You don't know what a socialist is!

reply to post by VaterOrlaag


Yeah, last I checked we are still a capitalist society - to the extreme. I think it's kind of like gay bashers who are really gay themselves. I think these people want us secretly to be the old soviet union.

CJ

Define "right wing"

Because I consider myself a strong right winger, but this "neo conservatism" mainstream right wing has its roots in Communism