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posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 09:59 PM
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The failure to follow the Constitution is what should be important. George Washington knew that political parties would cause people to put their own interests ahead of the nation's interest. It doesn't matter what party you claim, neither sides are following the Constitution the way it was written.
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posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by antonia

Originally posted by sonnny1


Really? Name calling? The whole thread has been productive, till I saw this comment.



Productive? Please, it's just Neo accusing others of crap he does on a regular basis. It's laughable, but yes I know all of you stick together.

Let's just sum up the whole thread:
Liberals are evil, calling out the Gop is evil, be like me or you are evil, blah blah blah.


Many have discussed the ills, and what could be done, to fix it. I personally have called all politicians the same. The one thing I did call out, was those who worship Obama, and can actually say, hes done NOTHING wrong, and deserves 4 more years. Actually, Neo doesn't even agree with me on Infrastructure, and who I am going to vote for. I am 100% sure you didn't read through ALL the thread, or you wouldn't have made the snide comment, you are making now.




Deny Ignorance, Indeed.

Back on topic.

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posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by wardk28
The failure to follow the Constitution is what should be important. George Washington knew that political parties would cause people to put their own interests ahead of the nation's interest. It doesn't matter what party you claim, neither sides are following the Constitution the way it was written.
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100% right.

WE THE PEOPLE, need to remind them of it.

Star for you.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by sumogeek
 


The problem with public schools in america is that the affluence of the town determines its quality, because taxation is based on property values. Inner city schools cannot compete with high brow neighborhoods.

Secondly I think too much legislation is deffered from the state to the township.

Third why the hell do towns need their own police force? That is a total waste of money!


I love your analysis, hate your solutions. I am a public school teacher, and if anything my experience makes me less idealistic about the quality of state oversight on the education of ones children.


M



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by morefiber
reply to post by neo96
 


You, the Tea Party, and the OWS movement all have the same feature.
One end adapted for a specific purpose, the other for the human hand.
The only one that can transform out of it is you.

M


Sorry, NEO has yet to reply.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by sonnny1


Deny Ignorance, Indeed.



Try it yourself. Neo never starts threads like this to "be productive". He does it to tick off "leftists". There is no point in speaking with him so I don't. He doesn't want a debate, he just wants to tell us how evil we are. I find it telling he gets away with this obvious troll crap. If I did it I would get slapped quick. I'm done with this site permanently.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 10:08 PM
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Originally posted by morefiber

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by sumogeek
 


The problem with public schools in america is that the affluence of the town determines its quality, because taxation is based on property values. Inner city schools cannot compete with high brow neighborhoods.

Secondly I think too much legislation is deffered from the state to the township.

Third why the hell do towns need their own police force? That is a total waste of money!


I love your analysis, hate your solutions. I am a public school teacher, and if anything my experience makes me less idealistic about the quality of state oversight on the education of ones children.


M


Well in many countries all the legislation affecting schools comes directly from the FEDERAL LEVEL!

In america everything is decentralised. The pros are greater freedom to perform duties, but much more expensive to operate. States should mandate the budget and the majority of legislation in regards to public service.

Towns should have trivial things to worry about imo.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by antonia

Originally posted by sonnny1


Deny Ignorance, Indeed.



Try it yourself. Neo never starts threads like this to "be productive". He does it to tick off "leftists". There is no point in speaking with him so I don't. He doesn't want a debate, he just wants to tell us how evil we are. I find it telling he gets away with this obvious troll crap. If I did it I would get slapped quick. I'm done with this site permanently.





Take it up with the Staff, not those who make the threads, or post in it. There is a Rant section also. Sorry your emotions, have the best of you.

Peace.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 10:13 PM
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This is the way I see it. Kids in private schools do better on nationwide testing. That is because private schools have to compete for their students. Do away with public education and give the tax payers back their money. When schools have to compete for funding based on enrollment kids will get a better education. Children aren't being taught critical thinking.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 10:16 PM
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I disagree. Sincerely. Neo and I have actually had some pretty healthy debates and we respect each others opinions. Don't tell anybody - it takes away some of the magic for the spectators...


And he's honestly got a point. Partisan bickering gets us nowhere. It just cements the divide. We're all in the same sinking ship. If we don't learn to bail together? Well then we'll all drown together. Dialogue has to replace rhetoric. And these threads, even if they do appear argumentative, provide ample opportunity for discourse.

~Heff



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 10:19 PM
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Originally posted by wardk28
The failure to follow the Constitution is what should be important. George Washington knew that political parties would cause people to put their own interests ahead of the nation's interest. It doesn't matter what party you claim, neither sides are following the Constitution the way it was written.
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Yes, I agree, but, the problem comes about when we each try and define exactly HOW it is not being followed.
We agree that it is broken up way beyond all recognition, and our forefathers are crying IDIOTS!, and we hold the universal fear and knowledge that at some point everything is going to either change beyond all recognition and/or come crashing down in flames. So, we name call and hate, and watch America's got talent.

M



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 10:20 PM
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Originally posted by wardk28
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 


This is the way I see it. Kids in private schools do better on nationwide testing. That is because private schools have to compete for their students. Do away with public education and give the tax payers back their money. When schools have to compete for funding based on enrollment kids will get a better education. Children aren't being taught critical thinking.


Private schools tend to be expensive and many parents cannot send their children there. This is true in terms of elementary, middle, high and college/university. This leads to discrimination of the poor family who may have to raise uneducated kids that will grow up to be completly worthless in the job market and poor socialising skills.

Schools are identical to roads and hospitals, in that everyone eventually needs them! Would you be happy if they privatised the military as well?
I bet you would not!



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by wardk28
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 


This is the way I see it. Kids in private schools do better on nationwide testing. That is because private schools have to compete for their students. Do away with public education and give the tax payers back their money. When schools have to compete for funding based on enrollment kids will get a better education. Children aren't being taught critical thinking.


Kids in private schools have richer parents. Charter schools often do better, but only because they draw in resources and the better kids. Again, I teach, and I am not some liberal $@&. Opinions on education are like A$$holes to me, everyone has one, and they mostly all smell. I was an engineer for 12 years who learned critical thinking from a better gen. before me, then used it. Now I teach.

M



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 10:37 PM
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Dude, the OP got dozens of stars for rehashing the same old political hate. I am trying to make some points, and push the debate forward and upward, yet not a single star. Unfair!

M

Plus still no reply from NEO the original poster.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 10:37 PM
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Private schools tend to be expensive and many parents cannot send their children there. This is true in terms of elementary, middle, high and college/university. This leads to discrimination of the poor family who may have to raise uneducated kids that will grow up to be completly worthless in the job market and poor socialising skills.


Give the tax payers back their money and it would be more affordable, no?

Jimmy Carter (first Red Flag) created the Dept of Ed in 79’ under pressure from teachers unions (second Red Flag). Our educational system began to go downhill shortly after. Please show me where in the constitution it says the role of the federal government is to provide education….. I’ll wait.

Education should be left to the states. The Dept of Ed should be abolished and that money should be returned to the states and THE PEOPLE so they can make their own decisions. The free market can easily solve this issue….let it happen!

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posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by morefiber

Originally posted by wardk28
The failure to follow the Constitution is what should be important. George Washington knew that political parties would cause people to put their own interests ahead of the nation's interest. It doesn't matter what party you claim, neither sides are following the Constitution the way it was written.
edit on 1-9-2012 by wardk28 because: (no reason given)


Yes, I agree, but, the problem comes about when we each try and define exactly HOW it is not being followed.
We agree that it is broken up way beyond all recognition, and our forefathers are crying IDIOTS!, and we hold the universal fear and knowledge that at some point everything is going to either change beyond all recognition and/or come crashing down in flames. So, we name call and hate, and watch America's got talent.

M


First of all there is speculation that today's constitution is not the same constitution signed 230 years ago. Second there are too many commercial codes that exist solely for the purpose of raising money for the government from undesirables who don't play ball with the elite.

Third the first and second amendment seem misinterpretated and/or misapplied. Freedom of speech should have nothing to do with raising campaign money. The right to bear arms should not include machine guns, tanks, helicopters or bazookas.

I think parts of it, to put it very mildely, need editing by unbiased constitutional experts. It is not a government by the people and for the people. It is for the masonic bankers who rule the world with an iron fist behind the curtains.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 10:57 PM
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I'm sorry but neo-conservatism is deplorable and should be bashed; mainsteam republicans are neo-cons, making the republican party a huge sham. People who support neo-cons are either powerful and corrupt or just plain brain atrophied. Watching the RNC showed so many great examples of chauvinistic idiots with stars and stripes in their eyes, completely blind to the reality which faces down our nation.

To be quite frank, both parties and both candidates absolutely SUCK. Obama did terribly, as did his predecessor, Bush, and as will his successor, whether it be Romney or a candidate to be determined in 2016. Our government does not have the interests of the people in mind; this is the root problem at the heart of our country's ailments. When you elect a congress and leader, you often do so hoping that you will see some sort of return on your investment; you do not elect someone who will do nothing but rob you of your honor and integrity.

What do you do then, when democracy fails you? I mean if every person we vote into public office stabs us in the back, what is the use in voting at all?



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 10:58 PM
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Originally posted by seabag

Give the tax payers back their money and it would be more affordable, no?


The poor do not pay many taxes to begin with. The bulk of the money comes from the middle class and the rest from the rich. How much difference would it make if the state and federal government were to give back a $500 refund? Probably none!

Further a large percentage of unemployment due to offshoring and the influx of illegals ONLY increases the poor class of AMERICANS.


Jimmy Carter (first Red Flag) created the Dept of Ed in 79’ under pressure from teachers unions (second Red Flag). Our educational system began to go downhill shortly after. Please show me where in the constitution it says the role of the federal government is to provide education….. I’ll wait.


So if the constitution got some things wrong by accident(including ommision) that means we should continue down the wrong path OR try to correct things?

And unions are NOT the problem. They are the SOLUTION to greed driven capitalism. We come from different schools of thought so I cannot see how we will ever agree. You see dollar signs and I see societal solutions.


Education should be left to the states. The Dept of Ed should be abolished and that money should be returned to the states and THE PEOPLE so they can make their own decisions.


I think the federal government should have loose oversight of the education system, but generally speaking the majority of legislation concerning education should be made at the state level.


The free market can easily solve this issue….let it happen!


Nope. It will only make the division of poor and wealthy WORST! Maybe you should go live in south america.
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posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 11:00 PM
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While I don't know any masonic bankers, myself, I agree with the latter parts of what you said.
I agree on the 1st amendment part, there should be some allowable funding per person, imo.
I disagree, I think, on the 2nd amendment part, mostly. There should be some gun control, but by and large, I trust my neighbors, and think that by and large, law abiding Americans should be allowed to own what they want.

On the validity of the con. I would have to say that we have had it for over 200 years, and have been following it as written. I have a copy, and will follow it as written.
M



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 11:02 PM
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Thats why I said give the tax payers back the money the government takes for public education. Education has been on a decline ever since it was put in place. My view is that the government has about as much right to regulate education as they do religion. Government controls what kids learn in school and Thomas Jefferson said it best "Whenever the people are well informed, they can be trusted with their own government; that whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, they may be relied on to set them to rights."





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