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posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 09:05 PM
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reply to post by neo96
 


You, the Tea Party, and the OWS movement all have the same feature.
One end adapted for a specific purpose, the other for the human hand.
The only one that can transform out of it is you.

M




posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
Here is the thing.

People need to make up their minds "infrastructure" or free healthcare,free educations,free homes,Social Security they keep adding things that can not be paid for.

People need to make up their minds they can not have their cake and eat it too the choice is what is more important social engineering or civil engineering.

They can't have both they must choose, the largest state expenditure that tax revenue is spent on is social engineering that have led to the "neglect" of the infrastructure.

People need to start giving up some of those services.


America has more infrastructure than any other country in the world. No country comes close.

What we need is better social services and less foreign intervention.

A public central bank combined with tariffs would solve everything. JFK tried and got killed. Alternatively lower the taxation rates for the highest brackets while simultaneously closing the loopholes. Haha sounds like rocket science to the uninitiated.


There is no reason why big sacrifices need to be made.. It is a matter of efficiency, solid planning, downsizing and restructuring wherever necessary. If corporate executives ran government we would stop having deficits and instead have surpluses.
edit on 1/9/12 by EarthCitizen07 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 09:10 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
Here is the thing.

People need to make up their minds "infrastructure" or free healthcare,free educations,free homes,Social Security they keep adding things that can not be paid for.

People need to make up their minds they can not have their cake and eat it too the choice is what is more important social engineering or civil engineering.

They can't have both they must choose, the largest state expenditure that tax revenue is spent on is social engineering that have led to the "neglect" of the infrastructure.

People need to start giving up some of those services.


"Obamacare" is mandatory insurance..so thats not free. Social Security is our money so that point is not valid either. Please do tell where all these "free houses" are. And we decided a long time ago that public education available to all is necessary, and I am quite sure that most people would agree. . You are just basically full of crap like all right-wing lunatics.
edit on 1-9-2012 by sumogeek because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 09:10 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
Here is the thing.

People need to make up their minds "infrastructure" or free healthcare,free educations,free homes,Social Security they keep adding things that can not be paid for.

People need to make up their minds they can not have their cake and eat it too the choice is what is more important social engineering or civil engineering.

They can't have both they must choose, the largest state expenditure that tax revenue is spent on is social engineering that have led to the "neglect" of the infrastructure.

People need to start giving up some of those services.



Absolutely. I also agree that the "handout" mentality, is crippling this Nation, just as bad as the Infrastructure, is crippled.

At least with rebuilding Infrastructure, you put people back to work. Not digging ditches, but Bridges, roads, sewers, etc...... We do EVERYTHING, with American products, ingenuity, and American citizens. No ones friend, of a friend, gets the business. Just those out of work,and needing a Job. I would have at least respected Obama, if he would have had a plan. Not bailouts, or Solyndra, or GM, or AIG............ ALL his failed plans, and empty promises. All his BS, and Lies. Hes done NOTHING, and I stand by it, because that is a FACT, and none of his supporters, want to admit.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

America has more infrastructure than any other country in the world. No country comes close.

What we need is better social services and less foreign intervention.

A public central bank combined with tariffs would solve everything. JFK tried and got killed. Alternatively lower the taxation rates for the highest brackets while simultaneously closing the loopholes. Haha sounds like rocket science to the uninitiated.


There is no reason why big sacrifices need to be made.. It is a matter of efficiency and solid planning.


Where do you get the first "fact". Have you ever been to W. Europe? Where did you get the info?

I agree on the lower tax, close the loopholes. I agree that the biggest problem we face is man made crisis and that the solution is not austerity under kleptocracy. Oh, that would make a good OWS banner.


M



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by sumogeek

Originally posted by neo96
Here is the thing.

People need to make up their minds "infrastructure" or free healthcare,free educations,free homes,Social Security they keep adding things that can not be paid for.

People need to make up their minds they can not have their cake and eat it too the choice is what is more important social engineering or civil engineering.

They can't have both they must choose, the largest state expenditure that tax revenue is spent on is social engineering that have led to the "neglect" of the infrastructure.

People need to start giving up some of those services.


"Obamacare" is mandatory insurance..so thats not free. Social Security is our money so that point is not valid either. Please do tell where all these "free houses" are. And we decided a long time ago that public education available to all is necessary, and I am quite sure that most people would agree. . You are just basically full of crap like most right-wing lunatics.


Sorry Social security was your money however only 6% of it taken out for over 40 years and then beg the government to give that money back to you.

That 6% paid in comes nowhere near close to the amount that is paid out and it's stolen straight from people's pay check given to those who have never worked a day in their lives.

The people who are full of crap are those who push and defend corporate products and line the pockets of them.
edit on 1-9-2012 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 09:21 PM
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Originally posted by sumogeek

"Obamacare" is mandatory insurance..so thats not free. Social Security is our money so that point is not valid either. Please do tell where all these "free houses" are. And we decided a long time ago that public education available to all is necessary, and I am quite sure that most people would agree. . You are just basically full of crap like most right-wing lunatics.




Really? Name calling? The whole thread has been productive, till I saw this comment.

Public education?



Necessary, is one thing. Confidence in it is another. I think the majority, feel our educational system, sucks.

Health Care?



Again, a majority didn't even think the law was Constitutional.

I suppose, EVERYONE that doesn't agree with you, gets labeled a "Right wing lunatic", even though many people, regardless of what party they are affiliated with, believes otherwise.


edit on 1-9-2012 by sonnny1 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 09:23 PM
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It doesn't matter how WE plan to fix this. I think it's funny how we debate this like it matters. A politician goes out, reaches out to the people during an election listening to what they want, what concerns them, etc. But when have we ever seen a politician change something just as we had told them? They go around "listening" to get votes. Then when they get in office, all it comes down to are their ideas and their committee's, because they view the average Joe as not smart enough to understand the complexities of the system (which may or may not be true). America is headed for the crapper quicker than we think. Nobody is willing to work with anybody in any position of power unless there are some goodies attached. In this current political structure, Americans are going to continue to struggle. Our founding fathers are rolling over in their graves. Our leaders have lost the meaning of Freedom & Democracy.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 09:27 PM
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Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by sumogeek

"Obamacare" is mandatory insurance..so thats not free. Social Security is our money so that point is not valid either. Please do tell where all these "free houses" are. And we decided a long time ago that public education available to all is necessary, and I am quite sure that most people would agree. . You are just basically full of crap like most right-wing lunatics.




Really? Name calling? The whole thread has been productive, till I saw this comment.

Public education?



Necessary, is one thing. Confidence in it is another. I think the majority, feel our educational system, sucks.

Health Care?



Again, a majority didn't even think the law was Constitutional.

I suppose, EVERYONE that doesn't agree with you, gets labeled a "Right wing lunatic", even though many people, regardless of what party they are affiliated with, believes otherwise.


edit on 1-9-2012 by sonnny1 because: (no reason given)

Big steaming pile of crap then. Education is what you make of it and if you don't use it to your advantage it probably means you weren't raised right....not the schools fault.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 09:28 PM
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reply to post by Dawnbreaker
 


Couldn't have said better Dawnbreaker.

I pray this new generation can get beyond the very false,
left vs. right, free-market solution vs social engineering debate that has paralyzed this country for the past 30 years or more.
This next generation needs to be transformative, not just following the zombies.

M



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 09:29 PM
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We have tons of infrastructure but a lot of it seems neglected. Deffered maintainance can save you a buck today but bites you in the ass tomorrow. Capitalism is only efficient in terms of saving money, but awful for employment and saving the enviroment.

The pollution was so bad in beijing during the olympics people could not breath. And some people are dumb enough to say they are still socialists. Only the criminals in power are socialists, not the economy. They are following the footsteps of america and europe.

Yes I have been to europe and can compare things.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 09:32 PM
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Originally posted by morefiber
reply to post by neo96
 


You, the Tea Party, and the OWS movement all have the same feature.
One end adapted for a specific purpose, the other for the human hand.
The only one that can transform out of it is you.

M


NEO96, Where U at?



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 09:36 PM
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Originally posted by sumogeek

Big steaming pile of crap then. Education is what you make of it and if you don't use it to your advantage it probably means you weren't raised right....not the schools fault.





Tell that to the millions unemployed, that have GREAT eduMac@tion.........



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 09:40 PM
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reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 


I will agree that we have more infrastructure on mass than probably any other country, than maybe China, and you make a good point about the importance maintenance and upkeep.
It seemed like you were being a little overly boastful of our system. I am a degreed mechanical engineer, with 12 years in industry. While I am proud of American ingenuity, I also acknowledge that other countries have a similar history.
I guess "best" depends on your criteria, so l can leave it at that.

M



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 09:40 PM
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Public education....that's where the "sheeples start getting herded."



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by Dawnbreaker
It doesn't matter how WE plan to fix this. I think it's funny how we debate this like it matters. A politician goes out, reaches out to the people during an election listening to what they want, what concerns them, etc. But when have we ever seen a politician change something just as we had told them? They go around "listening" to get votes. Then when they get in office, all it comes down to are their ideas and their committee's, because they view the average Joe as not smart enough to understand the complexities of the system (which may or may not be true). America is headed for the crapper quicker than we think. Nobody is willing to work with anybody in any position of power unless there are some goodies attached. In this current political structure, Americans are going to continue to struggle. Our founding fathers are rolling over in their graves. Our leaders have lost the meaning of Freedom & Democracy.


Couldn't have said better Dawnbreaker.

I pray this new generation can get beyond the very false,
left vs. right, free-market solution vs social engineering debate that has paralyzed this country for the past 30 years or more.
This next generation needs to be transformative, not just following the zombies.

M

Felt it was good enough. See NEO96 is back.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 09:51 PM
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The problem with public schools in america is that the affluence of the town determines its quality, because taxation is based on property values. Inner city schools cannot compete with high brow neighborhoods.

Secondly I think too much legislation is deffered from the state to the township.

Third why the hell do towns need their own police force? That is a total waste of money!



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by sonnny1


Really? Name calling? The whole thread has been productive, till I saw this comment.



Productive? Please, it's just Neo accusing others of crap he does on a regular basis. It's laughable, but yes I know all of you stick together.

Let's just sum up the whole thread:
Liberals are evil, calling out the Gop is evil, be like me or you are evil, blah blah blah.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by RELDDIR
reply to post by sonnny1
 


Public education....that's where the "sheeples start getting herded."


I have also been a teacher for 5 years, and while I understand and, somewhat, agree with you. I think you know little or nothing about why or how. Guarantee not as much as you think you do.

M



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by morefiber

Originally posted by morefiber
reply to post by neo96
 


You, the Tea Party, and the OWS movement all have the same feature.
One end adapted for a specific purpose, the other for the human hand.
The only one that can transform out of it is you.

M


NEO96, Where U at?


NEEEEEEEEEEEO?






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