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posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by SaturnFX
 


It's hard to read the source of that bogus chart but i finally made it out.


Nice try.

Obama is a loser with no solutions.

It's all Fear & Division from now until November 6, 2012.


I'll pose the question again. When (not if) the economy remains the same or worsens after Romney's tenure, will you then accept the GOP like the Dems have failed us?

CJ




posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 02:56 PM
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You want to forget the left and right shell game that is going on, if you cannot see the writing on the wall with respect to what they have already planned, you must need a new pair of scepticals, the next potus is irrelevant, he will be the first potus to openly and overtly begin the process of destruction.

No matter which it is, the plan is already down and will be adhered to in the same way by WHICHEVER retard they put behind the desk to make you believe that "Democracy" works.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:00 PM
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I live in California, so even if I was ignorant enough to vote for Romney it really wouldn't make much a difference.


Honestly, for someone to view voting for a President as Apathy seems absolutely ludicrous to me.

I vote on the local level, and try to be active in my community --- I think this is how to really fight The Jadedness.

It doesn't matter which wing you like the most, if the Eagle is in a cage.


If the Republicans really wanted to beat Obama they would have chosen someone who could act better.
But nepotism is funny that way I guess.

Just think it's ignorant at this point to idolize any President or political party.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:03 PM
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reply to post by ThinkingCap
 


Im voting Independent. I will sleep well, knowing I voted for the right person, and not into the sham. Too bad, many wont vote that way.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:06 PM
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reply to post by SaturnFX
 


I note you're using the information supplied by the Office of the Democrat Leader (and the graph states the source as the Treasury Department); however, the chart is dated May, 2011. To say the information is outdated is a gross exaggeration.

There is a June, 2012 blog article about the matter in Th e Washington Post which provides charts and numbers; however, though the Post is a reputable source, the article is a blog and the information comes from Crossroads GPS. I don't know anything about this group other than their 'about' page indicates they are 'a policy and grassroots advocacy organization' but a brief look through doesn't indicate if they are hard left, hard right or balanced in the center.

Crossroads GPS offered this explanation for their claim:


January 20, 2009: The National Debt Was $10,626,877,048,913.08 (Obama Takes Office). (Treasury Department, accessed 5/23/12)

May 22, 2012: The National Debt Was $15,721,218,607,447.09 (Most Recent). (Treasury Department, accessed 5/23/12)

Obama Has Been In Office For 1,219 Days (1/20/09-5/22/12). (Convert Units, accessed 5/17/12)

$5,094,341,558,534.01 ÷ 1,219 Days = $4,179,115,306/Day


So, while I wish I could find something more current from a generally accepted reliable source, the most current information from such a source that I can find is from March, 2012:

National Debt has increased more under Obama than under Bush

Thankfully, it is published by CBS and they tend to lean a little more favorably toward President Obama so, if anything, it is slanted in his favor - which is good for this rebuttal.

I apologize for not knowing how to embed it; however, there is a chart at the link, since you requested "any response should be met with numbers." According to the article:


The Debt rose $4.899 trillion during the two terms of the Bush presidency. It has now gone up $4.939 trillion since President Obama took office.

The latest posting from the Bureau of Public Debt at the Treasury Department shows the National Debt now stands at $15.566 trillion. It was $10.626 trillion on President Bush's last day in office, which coincided with President Obama's first day.

The National Debt also now exceeds 100% of the nation's Gross Domestic Product, the total value of goods and services.


The article ends with this paragraph:


If Mr. Obama wins re-election, and his budget projections prove accurate, the National Debt will top $20 trillion in 2016, the final year of his second term. That would mean the Debt increased by 87 percent, or $9.34 trillion, during his two terms.


Though I was certainly NO fan of him, President Bush upped the debt by "only" $4.899 trillion, which would put Obama just *barely* under doubling Bush's increase in the debt IF he sticks with his current budget. I posit that there will be no way to stick with his current budget with the increasing wars and the as yet 'surprise' expenses that will begin to make themselves known once all the aspects of the Affordable Care Act come into play.

I urge you not to miss the article and to give the chart it provides some attention, as well.

As you, I don't have much appreciation for 'adjusted truths,' either; therefore, I've striven to provide a more accurate picture of the debt scenario under President Obama.

I would respectfully request you to defend your statement of President Obama having "reigned over the least amount of government in ages." To me, he seems just as guilty as the past several. =(
edit on 1-9-2012 by SeesFar because: typo; probably more of them; sorry



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by SaturnFX
 


I NEVER said Romney was the answer, did I?


I definitely know Obama ISN'T the answer. That's a fact.


its a fork in the road, and only one way or the other...no other route exists in reality for the day. That is a fact.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by ColoradoJens

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by SaturnFX
 


It's hard to read the source of that bogus chart but i finally made it out.


Nice try.

Obama is a loser with no solutions.

It's all Fear & Division from now until November 6, 2012.


I'll pose the question again. When (not if) the economy remains the same or worsens after Romney's tenure, will you then accept the GOP like the Dems have failed us?

CJ


The US economy will grow at 7% in 2013.

$$$ Trillions are sitting in the banks. We are just all waiting to push the socialist Obama

out the backdoor and on a plane back to Chicago. Get lost and take your class warfare

with you!

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I think step 1 will be to repeal ObamaCare and remove - uncertainty - from the

Fortune 500.

President Mitt Romney will then extend the Bush Tax cuts for everybody.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:12 PM
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President Mitt Romney will then extend the Bush Tax cuts for everybody.


So what you're saying is that we're screwed......thanks for reminding me.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by SaturnFX
 


I NEVER said Romney was the answer, did I?


I definitely know Obama ISN'T the answer. That's a fact.


its a fork in the road, and only one way or the other...no other route exists in reality for the day. That is a fact.


You are wrong, and are playing into the system designed to keep you thinking that way. You are basically saying, that if Romney is just as bad as Obama, then keep Obama in there. I say vote Independent. Not vote Romney. If you want to continue in the facade, go for it. I will take the middle road, and not the bends, that head right into the wall. If EVERYONE thought this way, we wouldn't have the thought process of being forced to pick the greater of two evils. That is a fact.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by RELDDIR
In my opinion, the education system in the U.S. has been infiltrated by the left. It happened during the Vietnam War. Those that didn't go to war, got educated, got ahead and now run the education system. Textbooks won't do anygood, they were not written by those who fought the country, but instead by those who protested against it.


The destruction of the education system started a while sooner, with the ideas of John Dewey moving into the mainstream. Dewey believed that people existed for the State and that it was the responsibility of the State to make sure the children were trained to operate with the matrix set by the State, and to treat children as property of the State, not as individuals with individual talents, but as cogs in the wheel.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by sheepslayer247
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President Mitt Romney will then extend the Bush Tax cuts for everybody.


So what you're saying is that we're screwed......thanks for reminding me.


No problem. Anytime.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by SaturnFX
 


It's hard to read the source of that bogus chart but i finally made it out.


Nice try.

Obama is a loser with no solutions.

It's all Fear & Division from now until November 6, 2012.


Which is bogus, the Bureau of Labor Statistics, or the National Treasury?



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:27 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX


Which is bogus, the Bureau of Labor Statistics, or the National Treasury?


Hmmmm........

Obama is a loser with no solutions.

How can anyone not believe this? 4 years, Unemployment, NDAA, etc......


I really cannot fathom those that are willing to give this a guy a break, for his failed Presidency. It is really sad, actually. I know more so called Democrat's, that have no answer to the hard facts, of his failures. Loser is a fair assumption, and shall I say, one of the nicest ways to portray his Presidency. Period.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:30 PM
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Sometimes history repeats itself.

Having said that, we're in big trouble because Mitt Romney, in my honest and humble opinion, is no Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

~Heff



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:33 PM
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ITT: "It's been three days since we haven't been able to run ATS like we have for the past two years! LEAVE US ALONE! BAW!"

I thought most of you were well past 40. Jesus, grow up. Lefties have had to put up with this crap for years. Even worse, CONSPIRACY THEORISTS ON A CONSPIRACY SITE HAVE HAD PUT UP WITH YOUR # FOR YEARS. Chill out if you can't have your way just because the RNC screwed a libertarian out of what was rightfully his to have.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:38 PM
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Maybe you should check your facts and consider your sources.

Obama's budgets and deficits and the National Debt. No other President has come close to his fiscal insanity.

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posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by Hefficide
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Sometimes history repeats itself.

Having said that, we're in big trouble because Mitt Romney, in my honest and humble opinion, is no Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

~Heff


Your right. Although, I believe if Obama wanted to fix the economy, he would have put America back to work. That in itself would have helped his reelection. Because he did absolutely nothing, he shouldn't get another chance. Our infrastructure is broken. Putting America back to work fixing it, would have been a great accomplishment. Too bad it didn't happen. His failures to give America, anything, but empty promises, is what I will rate as his accomplishments.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:44 PM
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Thank goodness Romney is not FDR. Just my opinion. FDR just grew govt and devised welfare programs which were socialist in nature. In other words, he instituted socialism in the American govt. The process has been going on since. What Obamacare does is add another socialist program by a not so stealthy way, it was so in our faces everybody took notice. Thank goodness that even a Fabian socialist wasn't stealthy enough....

Some sources say that Valerie Jarrett was the one pushing Obamacare, but we know Hillary would have done it if she was elected. I'm pretty sure Obama was just the front man.
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posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by SaturnFX
 


It's hard to read the source of that bogus chart but i finally made it out.


Nice try.

Obama is a loser with no solutions.

It's all Fear & Division from now until November 6, 2012.


Which is bogus, the Bureau of Labor Statistics, or the National Treasury?


Office of the Democratic Leader!


I remember that chart. - Smoke & Mirrors -


Nice try.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 03:45 PM
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If either politician could propose a New Deal like solution to our economy it would be beneficial. We need to update the nations internet infrastructure. Europe is poised to blow us away. Installing Fiber Optic cables to every home in the U.S. would be a good start. Would put A LOT of people back to work. Would fire up the economy. Would keep people busy. I know I need a job badly. I was hoping to find work in Charlotte N.C. for the upcoming DNC but it seems the majority of the jobs were brought in from out of state unions. North Carolina is the most anti-union state in the nation.

My last job was working for Northrup Grumman here in Charlotte N.C. after getting out of the Air Force after 6 years and two deployments to Iraq I worked as a temp for a year before being let go. ( I was informed they brought in a brand new batch of temp workers instead of hiring any of us).

As a temp working for Northrop Grumman here in Charlotte N.C. I made minimal salary, but I am taxed at nearly 30% being a healthy single white male with no children.

Plus I received
No paid sick days.
No paid holiday.
No paid vacation.
No medical benefits or insurance like Dental, Optical or Medical.
No 401K
No nothing really.

I can't get a job making anything in my state. And Obama came and didn't provide me with anything by hiring union workers from out of state for the DNC. I feel literally screwed. I guess I am fortunate to not have a wife and kids depending on me to bring home a paycheck.

I do not see Mitt Romney helping me get any work considering the track record that Bain Capital has of screwing the little guy to make profit.

I am stuck between a rock and a hard place, and the walls are closing in on me. Desperate men are capable of desperate measures.

A new deal might give me some breathing room. It might give ALOT of us desperate people some breathing room.





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