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posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 01:46 PM
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reply to post by inverslyproportional
 


I tend to agree with you but with a clarification.
The problems you pointed out are basically the agenda of the "global elite"and the NWO bunch. Both depend on collapsing the US economy in order to accomplish their goals.
There is a hope they can be defeated. First, identify those members of congress, Republicans and Democrats, who have shown a propensity to further those goals, over the interests of our nation,and vote them out of office.
The seat of power is in congress, not in the POTUS. What bothers me about the Obama administration, is it's arrogance to ignore or by-pass congress by executive orders and executive privilege and trash the constitution whenever it suits their purpose.. Not that the other side hasn't done the same thing from time to time, but it is so blatant and "in your face" with this administration that that is where I'd start.
There are some good Democrat and Republican congressmen who actually have the interest of America at heart, but so far they have been marginalized by the leftist media bias.

The polarization of the population, which resulted in the polarization of congress, has been the on going pattern of divide and conquer for many years and is strait out of Saul Alinisky's "Rules for Radicals" play book.

www.crossroad.to...

Unless we recognize the root of the problem and cut out this cancer in our government once and for all, we won't have an America worth living in.

Another "improbable" Rule I'd add to the OP's list.

"Have every candidate for any political office, sign a contract to uphold their campaign promises. The first time they violated that promise, the contract would be broken and their tenure would be immediately terminated" Might eliminate the pandering most politicians do to acquire votes. I'd much prefer someone who was honest enough to tell me what they "believe", even if I disagreed, than one who promises everything to everyone and believes in nothing.

So much for dreaming huh?




posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by pajoly
It was a ridiculous comment, wasn't it? But everything he said was out there. I still love Clint though.


Clint is a great actor and good energy guy.
frankly, he should have stuck to script.

I enjoy Nugent's music (used to anyhow back in the day). I don't mind the persons political views color my enjoyment of their entertainment. I don't ask a chef their political philosophy before trying their food.

I am just a bit saddened that he did so horribly. I want Clint to remain the strong witty guy, not the stumbling Alzheimer moments guy he appeared to be.

Still think he got the wrong convention though, his complaints were that Obama isn't liberal enough (Afghanistan, crying with joy when he won and upset that he didn't get more done, etc).



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012
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Best Clint Eastwood lines:

- We own this country.


( That one really has the socialists bewildered !)



By socialists, you mean China?
Ya, I imagine they would be bewildered at that comment when they view their slice of our national debt.

We...didn't know Clint was a banker.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by pajoly
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Implying the President is a leftist is laughable. I challenge anyone to list what leftist things he's tried to do, much less done. By historical standards, he is right of center. By western standards he is conservative. Leftists are supposed to be socialists right, and even communists if you go further left.

Well, most all Obama's actions have been massive give away TO big business. If he was socialist, he'd be nationalizing business.

- Obamacare. Huge giveaway to the insurance conglomerate. In the law there is no element of government control over people's care.
- Afghanistan. He just continues Bush's policies here, which dumps hundreds of billions into the Mil/Intel industry.
- Finance. His DOJ has not prosecuted ANY leading figures and only tossed out some token fines that the big banks then write off and represent simply a minor cost of doing business -- an investment if you will. Were he socialist, he'd have nationalized the banks, not given them more power and let them consolidate even more.
- Energy. He invested in alternative start-ups like Solyndra (a plan which was put together by the Bush administration). As Romney said in his own speech, business is both about failing and succeeding, the key thing is to try. Well, we did with Solyndra (and others). Were he socialist, he would have nationalized the big energy giants. Instead, production in oil, natural gas, coal and wind have ALL increased under Obama leading to our lowest dependency of foreign energy in the modern era. Meanwhile, oil company's profit has hit record levels under Obama and their cash position is the best its ever been. How is that socialist? Well the big oil subsidies ARE corporate socialism, but name me a Republican clammering to kill those?
- NDAA, expansion of the Patriot Act, 4x the drones killings of Bush. Where's the soft on terror, for the people "socialism." That's far closer to fascism and the Right are his greatest champions in this effort, with support of many Democrats.

So where's the socialism. Let me guess, you are going to trot out "social issues" (read: things the Right Christians regard as aganst the Bible), like ending Don't Ask, Don't Tell, support of gay marriage, etc.

To the Right, "socialism" means "things the Bible is [supposedly] against." Other than that, the idea that Obama is a socialist is the most ignorant of jokes.


I don't think hes a socialist, per say. I know buying into a business, using "We the People" money, and using the words, "to big to fail", would have made Benito Mussolini proud. How can anyone say hes done this Country, ANY good? You cant. Period.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by newcovenant
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Excuse me but someone should bash the right wing.
And they should bash the left wing.

The moderates in the middle should run things.
It is what most reasonable people want.
But they are prevented from any forward progress at all
by the far right and the far left bickering to no end.


I agree
I am a pretty far left social liberal (and fiscal conservative which knows no side).
I also know my views are about 25% of what the nation wants..therefore my views should not purely be represented.

I think the moderates need to run things.

Find out who disagrees with this..then ignore them.

My overall unrealistic vision of a better future america:
Let scientists run matters of science, let scholars run matters of intellectual pursuits, let economists run financial matters. remove partys and positions and instead restructure society to be run by councils depending on relevant areas



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 01:59 PM
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So Democrats are supposed to criticize Obama now for no reason other than that they criticized the Republicans? I thought the Republicans were against imposed fairness and equality??

Maybe if the Democratic party was institutionally evil like the Republicans you would have point, but your idea would still be against your own professed principles.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by CB328

Maybe if the Democratic party was institutionally evil like the Republicans you would have point, but your idea would still be against your own professed principles.


Repubs aren't evil. they have a different view. I personally see their view as pre-globalization and illogical personally, but not evil.
corporate interests are the only real evil here, and they infiltrate both parties...so neither side is pure here (at least politically).

the good v evil thing is inaccurate, and anyone on the fence watching someone call opposing thinking as evil is likely to dismiss not only that person saying it, but in turn the entire side of the argument if they think in those terms.

I like to think of the left as the thoughtful party..the intellectually superior party..so ya, lets make smart arguments, not reactionary black v white comparisons.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 02:08 PM
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I am still trying to figure out what makes a Republican and what makes a Democrat?

Is it gun rights? Apparently not because there are pro gun rights liberals and anti-gun conservatives.

Is it abortion? Well it can't be because there are Pro Life Liberals and Pro Choice Conservatives.

Is it the size of the government? NOT AT ALL! They both LOVE to spend those government taxes.

Is it the economy? Nope. Both sides claim the other is responsible for unemployment, yet neither side has a solution to unemployment.

So just what the hell IS the difference between a republican and a democrat? I have no clue. I only see differences between the two men running for POTUS.

A crooked mob lawyer from Chicago, and a Corporate Axe man who got rich stealing pensions and sending jobs overseas.

I can't bash the Right Wingers when I have no freaking clue what a right winger even is.

I can say I like Obama more than Romney, but these are just men. Just men. The party they represent is what matters.

The people who gave them hundreds of millions of dollars for their campaign in exchange for promises is what matters. I will not bother to register to vote yet again. This will be Election number 5 that I have not bothered to register to vote for. Kind of sucks paying taxes when I have no representation though



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by DirectDemocracy
I am still trying to figure out what makes a Republican and what makes a Democrat?





We are ALL Americans. 16 trillion in debt. I don't know anyone that cant say things are out of control. Lets look at who has most recently added to that debt? Obama has. We as Americans, need to put people in Congress, that are going to be responsible. If not, then we need to fire them. Period.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 02:15 PM
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posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
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Stay out of my womb, but hey pay for my birth control pills".


And what is the RNCs? Buy your own birth control, regardless how poor you are, if you get pregnant (even if raped) be forced to have the baby. We won't give poor people, foodstamps, medicaid, or WIC if you have that said baby..who cares if it starves...at least you didn't have that abortion.


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This whole issue of government funding of birth control is a farce, meant to distract you from the greatest danger this country has ever faced. Namely a public debt that threatens the very survival of the poor and middle class.

dailycaller.com...

Birth control has been available for more than 50 years. Condoms are free at any health dept. They give them out by the bag full. Same at college infirmaries.

The real issue is personal responsibility. So you expect the gov. to pay for abortions and birth control for women who fail to take responsibility for their actions. In the case of rape, women still have access to the morning after pill. I have no problem with that. It might cost a few bucks, but if you play you pay.

Sandra Fluke is a paid propagandist, She never had a lack of access for birth control. She just wanted it at taxpayers expense even though SHE COULD afford it.

www.theblaze.com...

The bottom line is that there is a finite amount of money available to sustain gov. and we tried the great social experiments of providing everything to anyone who wants a free ride and see where it brought us. If the economy collapses, there will be no safety net for anyone. Think about that for a while.
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posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by DirectDemocracy
I am still trying to figure out what makes a Republican and what makes a Democrat?





We are ALL Americans. 16 trillion in debt. I don't know anyone that cant say things are out of control. Lets look at who has most recently added to that debt? Obama has. We as Americans, need to put people in Congress, that are going to be responsible. If not, then we need to fire them. Period.


most recently, or most profoundly?

less people working = less revenue, by obama walking into office and doing absolutely nothing, there would still be a negative balance based on previous lunacy.
add that to a need to start getting people back to work and ya, your going to have some issues.

Addition:

What Obama -needs- to do is get more government workers

So far, he is by the numbers reigned over the least amount of government in ages
This is not his fault mind you, republicans have at first filibustered any movement to get people to work, then when taking over not passed anything jobs related. states in turn that want obama to fail have adjusted the books to remove jobs.

What you have then is a political party willing to destroy the people simply because their party is not in office.

This is the factual data. any response should be met with numbers, not feelings. I am sick of how people feel about things and giving half storys and adjusted truths...hard flipping facts is what matters here.
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posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by RELDDIR
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Democrats and Republicans differ tremendously, now more than ever before.


Because the government and media have made it that way.
Do you think if there weren't people like Rush, O'reilly,Beck, etc out there stirring up the pot and creating a wall
between the people, we would be so hateful towards one another?
Not a month after Obama became president, Cheney(like he had ANY room to talk)
started bad mouthing him.The Right immediately starting attacking him.
Obama wasn't in office long enough to do anything before he started being criticized by the Right.
Any time anything in this country went bad, Obama got the blame for it.
Whether he something to do with it or not.
The Right don't bash him because they like or dislike him.
They bash him because it's their job to create a wall between the "left" and "right".
The government doesn't want the people to come together.
They want there to be a wall so folks blame one another. Like I said before, it's nothing but distraction.
They have done a tremendous job at accomplishing that.
Here we are now arguing at one another like we are the ones that put this country in the toilet.
Instead of shifting the blame on the ENTIRE government, we're bickering about left and right garbage.
It's an illusion and nothing more.

I think what bothers me though is when there were more Republican candidates,
I heard the Right constantly complain about Romney.
He was definitely not their first choice.
Now that he is all they have, they treat him like he is Jesus material.
It doesn't take a physicist to look at Romney's track record and know
he is nothing more then a fraud.
You can't believe a word he says. He changes his position when he sees fit.

A part of me wants him to become president though
(because I know there really isn't a difference between the two).
Then when we are still in the crapper and in another war with Iran. Gas prices
still on the rise, our environment worse because Romney refuses to believe
there is even a real problem.
Then maybe folks will start to realize that the government isn't for the people.
Then maybe we can all start
focusing on the real issues and start to take this country back from crooks.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 02:25 PM
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Those are excellent questions and my best response, based upon experience, is that the dividing subject most often ends up being social services and taxation to pay for those services. My most heated debates, in political threads, tend to end up being the times when I choose to advocate for the disenfranchised, disabled, and sick. This is the most common sticking point I see.

My position is that I'd rather pitch in to help needy people than pitch in to subsidize corruption and big business bail outs and the myriad of other helping hands that corporations, and the very wealthy seem to get from our tax dollars.

My esteemed opponents feel differently. They usually state that helping corporations, and the very wealthy is helping the disenfranchised because corporations can offer employment to the downtrodden. They are the job creators.

I, in turn, disagree, and point out that the job creators are doing very well in this recession and we still are at a loss for jobs and available employment...

And the cycle of debate vapor locks there.

This, to me, is really the one issue that, if resolved, could really limit partisan bickering.

~Heff



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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I am saying now, not 8 years ago, or even 15 years ago. Can America afford 4 more years, of Obama? That is the real question. I say no. I also say no, for every member of congress, that is sitting in office, right now. ALL of them, in both Parties. See, people cant see past the two parties. They keep playing into the 2 party system. Both Parties are corrupt. Both ONLY want to serve, because it serves their best interest. You cant say this isn't true. It actually is a fact.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by SaturnFX
 


I am saying now, not 8 years ago, or even 15 years ago. Can America afford 4 more years, of Obama? That is the real question. I say no. I also say no, for every member of congress, that is sitting in office, right now. ALL of them, in both Parties. See, people cant see past the two parties. They keep playing into the 2 party system. Both Parties are corrupt. Both ONLY want to serve, because it serves their best interest. You cant say this isn't true. It actually is a fact.


Those whom do not know history are doomed to repeat it.

Consider the platforms then, yes, lets consider the future then.
Romneys plan would do what exactly? oh..right, nothing outside of potentially repealing obamacare and replace it with pretty much the same thing but without the mandate, which means the program would cost taxpayers far more, spiking the debt.
otherwise, what actual fiscal plan does he have? research it, I did. He wants to deteriorate even more the trade laws between other nations and us, making it even cheaper for a corporation to outsource...how is making it even easier for companys to move offshore somehow helpful to americans? Is there even fuzzy logic that can somehow account for this? no...
Will Romney repeal roe v wade? no..lol...funny stuff, impossible to do that, and any personhood bill would be immediately filibustered in house and shot down in senate, so no change there.

So, if its all a sham, then you must look at the -actual- facts of policy. a removal of mandate while leaving in the rest (which is the repeal/replace plan) increased debt. the weakening of tariff and trade laws for more commerce will definately lead to even more unemployment due to lucrative outsourcing, creating less revenue
perm tax breaks for the top 5%, even greater debt.

Yes, lets look at the economic facts of the two policys..forget the past...look at the future, I am on board..now look already verses just say ignore the past.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 02:40 PM
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I NEVER said Romney was the answer, did I?


I definitely know Obama ISN'T the answer. That's a fact.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 02:46 PM
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I do not think anyone wants to completely abandon the poor or completely eliminate financial help. But it is abused to such incredible lengths. How about some oversight to prevent the abuse? I am at nearly 30% taxes as it is as a healthy single white male with no children. I cannot afford to pay for other peoples children when I cannot even afford to have children of my own!

Also with corporations it would be nice if that money actually did trickle down to the little guy when a corporation gets a tax break. But the employees rarely see any increase in pay or bonuses. That money goes to the corporate executive officers and the boards of directors. Oversight is also desperately needed in this area as well.

Without oversight humans abuse financial assistance to no end. At all ends of the spectrum. A multibillion dollar corporation, or a poor unemployed single mother.

I think humans are just hard wired this way. We even have oversight for our police in the form of internal affairs. THAT is how bad we as humans are. The police that we hire to police us, need police to police them. We even have a State Justice Departments to investigate the internal affairs police.

We have watchmen watching the watchmen watching the watchmen watching us. And I imagine there is a federal investigative team to investigate the state investigative team.

Maybe education could nip this at the source. Encourage people to fight against the human instinct of greed and corruption. But then again I am pretty sure that sharing and not being a greedy dillweed was one of the first things that I was taught in kindergarten.

Maybe we are just doomed to suffer like this forever. Maybe there is nothing that we can do to change it.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by sonnny1
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I NEVER said Romney was the answer, did I?


I definitely know Obama ISN'T the answer. That's a fact.


Bingo! Obama is part of the problem.

First things first. Get rid of the problem then we can move on to Step 2.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 02:49 PM
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It's hard to read the source of that bogus chart but i finally made it out.


Nice try.

Obama is a loser with no solutions.

It's all Fear & Division from now until November 6, 2012.





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