It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Attention Right Wing Bashers

page: 11
48
<< 8  9  10    12  13  14 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 11:08 AM
link   
reply to post by neo96
 




Excuse me but someone should bash the right wing.
And they should bash the left wing.

The moderates in the middle should run things.
It is what most reasonable people want.
But they are prevented from any forward progress at all
by the far right and the far left bickering to no end.




posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 11:13 AM
link   
It's really amazing when republicans and democrats alike will defend their party no matter how blatant they are when it comes to stifling our political process or lie through their teeth. Let's stop pointing the finger at each other and making excuses for these political brain washed, controlling zombies.

This country will never move forward until we stop the childish political bickering and start calling out both parties when they're wrong. Whether your affiliated with either party, take your blinders off! Your not accomplishing anything but showing how blind you really are when you defend your parties action, knowing full well what they did or say was just plain wrong.

What's sad is both these parties don't relate or identify with the majority of Americans. Yet they have divided us like children arguing on a playground defending their selfish interests.

-How many years have these two political systems ignored the voters demands for abolishing lobbyists, political packs and corporate influences within our government?

-How many times have they ignored the voter's demand for term limits?

-How many times have they ignored the excessive burdens imposed on families due to excessive costs of higher education?

-How many years have gone by while they ignored implementing an energy plan that would ween us off foreign oil and onto new sources of energy?

-How many times have they ignored the spiraling costs of healthcare coverage for all Americans?

-How many times have they increased spending tax dollars to build the largest war machine in the world, increased military bases around the world, increased foreign aid, and all at the expense of our economy and struggling Americans here at home?


You think you're supporting a political party that cares about you? Think again.




posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 11:27 AM
link   
One other observation. If the far right and the far left keeps the focus on personal attacks, then they take the peoples eyes off the REAL issues, and it just turns into a partisan war. In the process nothing gets resolved. The people are the losers. The people need to DEMAND that they stop the mudslinging and focus on getting the country on track and WORK TOGETHER to do this. That is what we elect them for, they seem to have forgotten that. Both parties. You have to ask yourself, what has either of them really put forward for fixing the country, in real concrete terms? Its all fluff.
edit on 1-9-2012 by openminded2011 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 11:30 AM
link   
reply to post by neo96
 


THEYRE THE SAME DUDES!!!

seriously its a SHOW

right wing gives us PATRIOT ACT left wing keeps it, left wing gives us NDAA

ITS A SHAM

right wing gives us foreign wars, LEFT WING KEEPS THEM
(and collects a PEACE PRIZE in the bargain)

bush sr starts up nafta, but cant see it thru, the "public" "elects" a lefty (clinton) and he shoves NAFTA through anyhow

ITS A SHOW

until we kick out our MASTERS in the FED

nothing will change no matter WHICH SOCK PUPPET is being worn



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 11:31 AM
link   
Oh blah blah blah, liberals are evil, democrats are evil. If you aren't like Neo96 you are just evil. Tired old, boring BS. ATS has always been firmly on the right. Quit getting all butthurt, it will be back into Redstate lite mode now that the DNC convention is coming up.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 11:44 AM
link   
I hate the left wing as much as anyone else

But mainstream Republicans are neocons and neoconservatism has its roots by zionist Bill Kristols dad Irving Kristol who was a communist



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 11:59 AM
link   
reply to post by jibeho
 


I guess you are ignorant of Left Libertarians then, that is probably where most of the Left is these days on ATS as well as America in general. Anarchism is a great concept, one I hope we can achieve someday but it does contain it's misguided radicals as well which is what keeps me from embracing it fully. You would think Anarchism would be looked upon fondly by the Right considering it's true meaning is Self Governed. But, that only exposes the true desire of the Right doesn't it? Not limited government but a more controlling... fascist-light government. It isn't big government you all fear it's big government that you aren't in control of that you fear.

As far as the OP goes... whiny victim "I'm so persecuted" vomit. That's my opinion. One of the biggest Left bashers on ATS can't take what he dishes out. I didn't watch the RNC because I happen to prefer to leave the contents of my stomach in my stomach long enough to absorb the nutrition and I won't be watching the DNC for the same reason.

Neo, I am truly sorry about your situation... you're a nice guy outside of politics and you deserve a better fate, but your own party has repeated the rhetoric that if you're out of work in this country it is because you are lazy or chose your career path badly and as far as your home... that's because you bit off more than you can chew. Why on earth would you vote for a guy so welcomed in the business world because he exported jobs to china continuously?



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 12:00 PM
link   

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
reply to post by Eurisko2012
 


Give the gop four years and let's see how well the country is doing. Do you seriously believe things will change and we won't have a massive debt? Do you really think all of what you said will change? When it doesn't, and it won't, will you stop backing one party over the other?

CJ


Just give the Romney Administration until July 4, 2013.

An economic BOOM is about to hit the USA.

You will witness the firepower of Free Market Capitalism.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 12:02 PM
link   
I overall abstained from any discussions about the RNC speakers (outside Clint). I try not to watch conventions as they are simply a infomercial for their base only and so are all just a bunch of cheerleaders for the fringe.

The debates are the times when people tune in and see who is running. all the stuff before almost didn't happen.

I would love to see 30 debates for every presidency..really smoosh them against one another and see who is making far more sense and is more the jedi

But ya, I imagine the GOPheads were going all rally against obama as the theme, questionable facts, etc..but its their party..time for them to feel like the good guys or something, but its a party only they are interested in joining, so the audience isn't seeking truth, they are seeking fun and comfort. same with the upcoming DNC.

But Clint...bah, nevermind, its Clint.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 12:05 PM
link   

Originally posted by Iron7
I hate the left wing as much as anyone else


What philosophy do you hate?



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 12:05 PM
link   

Originally posted by SaturnFX
I overall abstained from any discussions about the RNC speakers (outside Clint). I try not to watch conventions as they are simply a infomercial for their base only and so are all just a bunch of cheerleaders for the fringe.

The debates are the times when people tune in and see who is running. all the stuff before almost didn't happen.

I would love to see 30 debates for every presidency..really smoosh them against one another and see who is making far more sense and is more the jedi

But ya, I imagine the GOPheads were going all rally against obama as the theme, questionable facts, etc..but its their party..time for them to feel like the good guys or something, but its a party only they are interested in joining, so the audience isn't seeking truth, they are seeking fun and comfort. same with the upcoming DNC.

But Clint...bah, nevermind, its Clint.


Clint Eastwood was outstanding !


He blasted Obama and Biden.


Clint Eastwood attracted millions of people to watch the RNC Convention and hit a home run !

edit on 1-9-2012 by Eurisko2012 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 12:08 PM
link   
reply to post by Eurisko2012
 




You will witness the firepower of Free Market Capitalism.


And whom will bring us this great and wonderful gift you speak of?

Romney?



Sure......whatever you say. I'd be willing to bet that we get the same fascist corporatism we have seen from Obama, Bush, etc...


edit on 1-9-2012 by sheepslayer247 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 12:08 PM
link   

Originally posted by openminded2011
One other observation. If the far right and the far left keeps the focus on personal attacks, then they take the peoples eyes off the REAL issues, and it just turns into a partisan war. In the process nothing gets resolved. The people are the losers. The people need to DEMAND that they stop the mudslinging and focus on getting the country on track and WORK TOGETHER to do this. That is what we elect them for, they seem to have forgotten that. Both parties. You have to ask yourself, what has either of them really put forward for fixing the country, in real concrete terms? Its all fluff.
edit on 1-9-2012 by openminded2011 because: (no reason given)


Sure, but consider the issues
The problem is globalization and horrible trade laws

Which candidate is more likely to enact tariffs against 3rd world nations?
Romney promises to make it easier

The honest answer is...neither candidate. both are sold to the corporate interests over the people, The choice is then to deal with either Obama's do nothing, or Romneys speeding up of our disaster..crappy choice really, but if the breaks don't work when barreling towards a cliff, no need to hit the gas



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 12:19 PM
link   

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by Hefficide
 


Dang...I hate to say this, but I agree with your list.....

Here;s the really scary part for all the Tea Party haters out there......Read Heff's list.....that's the Tea Party!!!



Absolutely correct.
You beat me to the punch. First thing I thought of when I read the post. That is the Tea Party position. IMO the Tea Party is the only genuine grass roots movement that has any chance to challenge the status-quo. No wonder the beltway Republicans and the socialist left hate them.

Hey, I vote for Heff



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 12:20 PM
link   
reply to post by neo96
 

Sorry but I think you missed the point entirely. It's not about "bashing" the republican party. It's about right and wrong.What the RNC did to Ron Paul(and in general) was absolutely wrong.
Even the former chairman of the RNC has spoke out and said how bad the republicans treated Paul.
He also said how STUPID it was to treat Paul like that because they alienated a whole new generation of folks that were already skeptical about the republican party.
If the republican party would of embraced Ron Paul, that would of brought MANY more people to the right.

I'll be the first to say, if the DNC pulls something that crooked and deceitful, I'll "bash" the hell out of them.
Because it's wrong. Stop making this a left and right debate.
It has nothing to do with that.
People (including many here on ATS) are pissed off at the RNC because they committed fraud in broad daylight.
They're pissed because that's their government acting like the mob.
The reasons the RNC went after Paul like that has nothing to do with them liking him or not.
It has to do with the fact they are scared s@#%less of him,his message and his followers.
Paul is against the very infrastructure of their deceit(Federal Reserve,control on drugs and the war effort)

I'm sorry to say but your argument here frankly sucks and has no leg to stand on.
What you are pulling is the classic "oh yeah, well your party sucks too so naner naner"
Right is right and wrong is wrong and the what the RNC is did was WRONG. Period.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 12:20 PM
link   

Originally posted by WeRpeons
-How many years have these two political systems ignored the voters demands for abolishing lobbyists, political packs and corporate influences within our government?

Not all lobbiests are made the same. There are lobbiests for some evil stuff, sure, but there are also lobbiests for things like workers rights, cancer research, etc. also, its the right of organizations to gather and send forth to their elected official a person to represent the interests of that group to be heard. its like saying "how many years have they ignored the peoples demand to have politicians ignore the ___ people!

What we have seen from the citizens united measure is that the right wing wants to allow for more special interest corporations influence the goverment. this has put me firmly against the right wing. I have always been a semi-independent with liberal social outlooks..but this. well, I am anti-corporation..firmly. Not that I have a beef with corporations mind you, I have an issue with corporate interests owning governments..and that is what citizens united ushered in.



-How many times have they ignored the voter's demand for term limits?

Tough decision here. Term limits for congressmen..but they have elections. If its a good politician, then why would you want to remove him? If he is doing a terrible job, then he loses the election..its pretty simple.


-How many times have they ignored the excessive burdens imposed on families due to excessive costs of higher education?

That is a liberal argument. not a invalid argument, but one side laughs at you. welcome to the left btw.


-How many years have gone by while they ignored implementing an energy plan that would ween us off foreign oil and onto new sources of energy?

Another left wing argument. You can't demand both sides are the same, then raise a bunch of left wing arguments...there is an entire party opposing your views and worries..hense why there is a quagmire.your concerns do not trump another person's opposite view...this is why we have elections and such, to try and tug the rope a bit more and resolve our concerns.


-How many times have they ignored the spiraling costs of healthcare coverage for all Americans?

See above (left wing issue)


-How many times have they increased spending tax dollars to build the largest war machine in the world, increased military bases around the world, increased foreign aid, and all at the expense of our economy and struggling Americans here at home?

Your a liberal. not a bad thing. I shake your hand and welcome you aboard, but don't pretend your not anyhow...we can argue that the liberals have no representation and that Obama is far more right than we would like, but ya..your firmly on the left.


You think you're supporting a political party that cares about you? Think again.




Your argument then ultimately concludes that we need someone far more left than obama to resolve the issues you have raised.
But as you have seen, Centerist Obama has been called Stalin for not being a fringe right wing...imagine if you had a actual liberal up there...they would blow a gasket.

tug of war.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 12:24 PM
link   

Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by neo96
 


If you want some rational debating points from a person who is perceived as a "leftist" then I'll happily provide them. In fact I am eager to because this growing gulf between the parties and the fact that people are more and more often referring to themselves as "Republican" or "Democrat", instead of "American". It's troubling and, in my opinion, both Sun Tsu and Machiavelli would be wringing their hands in delight over what's happening in this country right now.

So here are some thoughts...

1) Call home our troops and make a clear policy of only going to war when it is in the primary interest of America and the American people. Wars, historically, were boons to industry, employment, and work. This time it's backfired on us and now our social services are stressed to the hilt by returning veterans who cannot find work and many of them are now physically or psychologically damaged or disabled to boot. This past decade of war has pushed us to the limit and hasn't helped industry or employment at all.

2) Abolish lobbying and Super Pacs. Make both of these "professions" illegal.

3) Focus upon corruption, misappropriation, fraud, waste, and irresponsible governmental spending.

4) Modernize and streamline all Federal and state government programs and agencies. Run them like a true businessman would run them, and not like they were part of an over-bloated, wild-west, anything goes, barely any accountability bureaucracy. Consolidate all the redundant jobs, modernize, and make Civil Servants pay performance based instead of flat salary.

5) Stop borrowing money to pay off interest on previously borrowed money. This is how average citizens created the housing and credit bubbles - we should expect government to do more.

6) Allow the Bush tax cuts to expire.

7) Discuss some form of flat tax that doesn't favor the rich nor punish the middle or bottom income families.

8) Abolish the Fed.

9) Take steps to get away from a fiat based currency economy.

10) Reform social services so that it's harder for criminals to abuse the system by committing fraud.

11) Tort reform to stop frivolous litigation, which clogs up our courtrooms and excuses corporate greed.

12) Fix the medical system - either by universal healthcare or a structured set of rules preventing HMO's, doctors, and insurance companies from price gouging.

13) Create a common sense set of rules to keep Wall Street, banks, and conglomerates from having both hands and both feet in the cookie jar.

There's a start.

~Heff



Quoted your entire post because it's worth re-reading!

Interesting to me: I consider myself a very conservative centrist and you state you are "perceived as a "leftist," yet every point you made covers the points I consider to be paramount as the beginning steps of repairing our government. And I would say that all of your points are very much "American" and have nothing to do with the ill defined titles of "Republican" and "Democrat" ~ can anyone truly define what those two titles mean, anymore? To me, they are nothing but a means of division of among American citizens used by US against US and propagated by those in elected office to keep us pitted against one another so as to keep our notice off of what they (elected officials) are really up to.

I would add one item to your list and it's likely going to be an unpopular one: go ahead and let our economy crash. It's past due. Propping it up is doing nothing but dragging us further into debt, forestalling the inevitable and creating additional and unbearable hardship upon the lower to middle classes.

In times of full economic crash, people tend to come together, to define for themselves what they are capable of, to find common ground with those against whom they were formerly in opposition, and to identify ways to work together. In other words, a whole lot like 9/12/2001 - the day we were just Americans - no ethnicity, no societal class, no Rep vs Dems, just shocked and outraged Americans pulling together in whatever ways we could to withstand tragedy and do what we could to help one another.

September 11, 2001 was one of the worst days ever in U.S. history. But the few weeks beginning the next day showed who we really are. If it takes a big tragedy, such as a full economic collapse to bring that about, then I say it's time for it to happen.

It's time for Americans to remember who and what we're supposed to be. It's time for entitlement, superiority, and racial and politic divides to END. We are all Americans; we are all related.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 12:26 PM
link   

Originally posted by nightstalker46
IMO the Tea Party is the only genuine grass roots movement that has any chance to challenge the status-quo. No wonder the beltway Republicans and the socialist left hate them.

Hey, I vote for Heff


The tea party is a decent movement. sadly they pretty much don't exist anymore. stopped existing around the end of 2008.
the tea party express, the giant corporate social warrior movement took the name off the corpse of the original tea party and altered it into just another right wing corporate movement wearing the dead skin of a former grassroots movement.
Its not Ron Paul's original tea party. its Sarah Palin's social conservative tea party express that satires the original movement.

What an actual grassroots movement looks like is occupy...hense why it didn't work and wasn't effective at anything...not enough corporate influence for politicians to care about.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 12:30 PM
link   
reply to post by neo96
 


I'm among the "bashiest" of the Right wing crazies. You will also see me call out outright lies or blatant misdirection in the speeches at the DNC convention. I will draw a distinction though between simply stupid remarks versus remarks I believe to be completely dishonest and calculated attempts to trick voters into thinking the opposite of reality. I.e., Biden often slips into stupid remarks, off the cuff. Whereas I believe Ryan carefully crafts his words to imply lies, even about things where the reality shows he's at least as guilty as he who he lies about.

E.g. Listen to his remarks in his speech carefully about the Janesville plant closing. He never actually says Obama closed it, but his careful phrasing is entirely meant to give the impression that it was closed on his watch and despite of a supposed promise to keep it open while simultaneously omitting the salient facts such as it closed in December 2008, save for fulfilling existing orders.

E.g. He blasts Obama about stimulus and says it did not create jobs while omitting that HE voted for stimulus under Bush AND actively solicited for funds under Obama's stimulus, stating in his letter to the Sec Commerce that the money he sought would create jobs and stimulate his local economy.

E.g. He attacked Obama for not following Simpson-Bolwes recommendations when in fact he was a leading member of the 12 member Commission and he led his other three Republican House members on the Commission to vote down the plan...even though the Republican senators on the Commission voted for it. The result was the Commission did NOT present a plan to the President that had been endorsed by the Commission. Instead, the President WAS presented with a report about what the plan had called for had the Right wing House members led by Ryan not killed it.

On each of these, he stared at the camera talking to the American people and had not the slightest problem with lying straight up. Who would want that sort of man anywhere near power? How could you trust anything he publicly said? He clears shows a deep and abiding disrespect of the American people by doing this.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 12:32 PM
link   

Originally posted by neo96

Still underwater on a mortgage, still out of work as of this moment what the hell is going to change in the next 4 years that all that "success" of the past 4 years solve?.


Nothing.

I say that because it really doesn't matter whether one bashes Democrats or Republicans anymore. The real power in America is the USD and the ones that control the money own the Fed. Neither Obama nor Romney are going to change that situation except by kneeling down to that almighty dollar factory, raising the debt ceiling for them once again and then feed all that green to the corporations, hoping that the notion of Globalization will eventually pan out to enable Joe Schmoe (from wherever) to buy a Happy Meal next year.

'Print, baby, print' is playing about as loud as 'drill, baby drill' and nobody that matters (read CEO's) really gives a damn what the outcome will be. The plan is to make a level playing field across the west with a standard of living just maybe a bit better than China.

So... keep up with the fighting words, political pundits!
The ignorant masses are slopping it up like it's manna and ignoring what's truly going down.




top topics



 
48
<< 8  9  10    12  13  14 >>

log in

join