Wires on mars....

It's a pity that the united states doesn't support the arts in any real way anymore; (guess without a cold war on there s no reason for art). If it did you blokes would know how to understand your own visual field. It s a rock, nothing in the image contradicts that possibility.

reply to post by Char-Lee


The large gold colour pic on youtube gives the object a completely artificial look when turned sidesways, have a go tilt your head sideways it really brings out the detail

How do I know you did not add something with your "special unnamed software"?

Also I dislike when you tell me what i am seeing...."You can clearly see that is a wire.".

No I cannot clearly see that.

Originally posted by Zarniwoop
From the video:

"Zooming into the image with Normal software makes it blurry... so the next image is zoomed using Special software"

If you need special software to zoom in, it's not a zoom.

Really...because I'm pretty sure their is better software to use then what any of us have on our random home computer.

I'm sure NASA wouldn't agree with you.....

do some research....."special " software ...exists.....but we can't prove he used it.

Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by FlySolo
Phage. STOP.

Yes, stop. How dare you call a rock a rock. You should call it a wire, or a helmet, or a bucket..... in fact call it anything but what it is, a rock.

For starters, software will not add 45 degree angles and corresponding shadows. Please explain this...

It is just a rock, rocks can have angles and shadows.... or do you think only artificial objects can have angles and shadows?

Notice the angles?

So you really think nature cannot have angles...

That's because whatever this thing is, it's bent.

again you somehow think nothing natural can have angles....

You really need to leave your computer, get outside and have a look around.

What is wrong with saying I THINK IT IS A ROCK. WHY do people have to say they KNOW things, when clearly unless you go there and touch it, get a better picture or send the rover to look at it you CAN"T KNOW!

reply to post by AmberLeaf


Pixels and shadows.

Or maybe it is from the rover itself.

For those who do not already know, I am going to enlighten you to the tactics used in the vast majority of Moon and Mars anomaly pictures, with the intention of promoting knowledge and hopefully quelling disinformation. Richard C. Hoagland is the most notorious, in my opinion, for these fake anomaly videos, but there are a plethora of other, less popular individual peddling their ignorance on the internet.

Your first clue should be that the image requires "special software" and "enhancements" to become visible. I am not an expert on the software used by forensic investigators for image processing, but I am relatively well-versed in image enhancement in general, and from the personal knowledge I have, I state with 100% certainty that these "enhancements" are introducing artifacts into the image that usually appear to blend within the image itself. This is normal, and the data was not originally present in the image.

These people who peddle this disinfo need to realize, if they actually believe what they saying, that they are NOT "uncovering" something buried in an image, but they are ADDING something that was not originally present. As I said, this is the biggest sham used in these types of videos, but there are other methods they will utilize to get you to buy their positions. I honestly do not think these people are lying to us on purpose, but rather they actually believe what they are doing is spreading truth. This is because attention has been paid to the subject by fringe subject "experts" who really do not know what they are talking about. You must remember that the vast majority of conspiracy theories are actually nothing of the sort. A true government conspiracy of magnitude, with far-reaching effect, does not come around very often. But if you believe everything you read on this site and others, you would think they happen everyday.

I really am concerned with only the truth, because I want my fellow citizens to be educated. The more you know, the better off I will be, because I can only influence a few people. But when others know the truth and spread it, many more people will open their eyes. The majority of people are "asleep" or are sheep, as we like to say, but many, many conspiracy theorists are just as deluded, but in the opposite direction. So please, listen to what I am saying.

Back on topic, another method that is utilized is finding "square structures" upon zooming into an image. Ya, these are called pixels. When you zoom into any image, especially a black and white one, you are going to see the same thing. Another misunderstanding comes when those who are trying to find things on the Moon or Mars don't take the time to learn how the images are stitched together. They don't just take one big picture of the planet or moon and voila. Not hardly. So anyone who is planning on trying to convince other people of something, do your homework. If you don't, and only continue to SAY you do, you are part of the problem and you are simply lying to yourself and others.

I should also note that there are some enhancements that can be done to these types of photos, but they are enhancements, and nothing more. They do not make something that was invisible suddenly visible, with the exception of extremely specialized software that analyzes an image pixel by pixel with the intention of locating something such as tampering. The majority of the public does not have access to this type of expensive, expert, specialized software, because they have no need for it. It isn't like Photoshop or anything, lol. So all I am saying to you guys is to actually pay attention to these types of things, and never blindly believe what anyone says, especially when it involves something out of the ordinary. And if believing fake Mars pictures is actually ordinary for you, and you are easily convinced of things, you should probably take a break from the conspiracy websites. Just a friendly suggestion.

I do apologize if my tone has been demeaning in any way. I have learned that these types of websites can turn a person cynical extremely quickly, which I suppose anyone who has been around these places long enough could attest to.

Originally posted by FlySolo

Would you feel safe to say it's not? All three pictures have the same detail and hasn't changed at all.

edit

I disagree...What looks like on the top of the rock in the last picture looks actually behind it in the first picture with the same black shadowing of other rocks in the picture, and it is just the angle that you see it just over the larger rock. As you zoom in and allow software to "fix" the pixelation it starts to blend in with the larger rock. extra DIV