The Men In Black(OPs) The Aviary & UFOs

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

I'd love to hear Gut's reply myself...to his
most concise summary of the thread.

But I myself would like to point out a couple
things;

At first apparently (timeline?) the U.S. government
attempted to suppress the 'reality of UFOs'
because they didn't want their perceived power
to decline with the public (that some advanced
aircraft were flying around that they couldn't
shoot down or control). So deny that anything
was happening to save face.

But eventually the government figured out
that 'UFOs' were not aircraft or spacecraft at all
so they mostly stopped worrying about them
and kept turning it into a big joke.

THEN

At some point (Timeline?) the government
realized that the power of belief might actually
be CREATING if not just ENCOURAGING "UFOs'
to spring out of thin air.

THIS

is the 'uncomfortable truth' that the government
and other parties don't want us to know.

THIS

Is what groups like the so-called Aviary and
people like Vallee wrestle with.

So NOW

we are flooded by "Ancient Aliens" and all
the other psyop material in an atempt to
coax us into "choosing the form of the
destructor" (Ghost Busters reference).

If manking gets a universal enemy or a
universal savior, then we may be fully
conyrolled and used like well behaved
cattle.

Now for millenia it was religion, spirituality
and the occult which was promoted in
the same way as UFOs are now.....'they'
like "UFOs' more as a gimmick, as
religion will always be more tribal
and not universal.

But 'UFOs' are perfect....religious types
and spiritual types may incorporate
them still.....and even atheists would
be controllable.

Now. ...those government occultists
are being played. ..they are missing
parts of the big picture.....

And amusingly even if the 'truth' about
the inner supernatural part' turns out
to be mostly incorrect.....it doesn't
matter.....all 'this' is still a 'great play'
with a lot of utility to the
manipulators!

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Sounds t rue but what is the ultimate goal after control? Isn't there already control? But yes that's the thing sadly, the ETs are the Miragemen which is why I don't see anything to discuss in this place.

a reply to: CollisioN

Well since the human controllers are actually
being duped every bit as much as the general
public, there can only be bad outcomes for
one and all.

Everyone all the way up and down the chain
(it's turtles all the way up - an obscure reference)
is actually in the grip of the 'trickster process'
so none of this will turn out as desired or
expected.

I personally find value in education however.

In a perfect world, all sentient beings would
learn how to be a child of science and a willing
participant with the trickster process. ...then
we'd be some sort of type iv species watching
the young soecied form and grow.

Might never happen for humans of course.

I'm putting money on cats as the earth species
that will make it!

We should try however. ...not just give up.

Kev

I would guess that there are both good and bad forces in everything and everyone.

Eventually the tide will turn in favor of the good, however dont hold your breath waiting.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Well.

Tell that to These lifeforms.

Oh wait. You can't.



Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: FormOfTheLord



Well.



Tell that to These lifeforms.



Oh wait. You can't.

Kev

Good point we will need to go back in time to help those animals being killed off. . . .

In fact with a time traveling civilization all wrongs can be righted and every life can be spared. . . .

I would love to see them do something progressive and helpful for our society maybe then we will call them Men In White lolz

I think this scene is a good summary of one scenario. . . . .

So what is the agenda of the men in black to keep us all in the dark about the truth?

I would like to at least hear a story of something good they may do for our civilization. . . .

a reply to: Rosinitiate

Nice injection of some pragmatic, realistic, cautious optimism.

# the parasites. For once I didn't bother trying to avoid the auto-hashtag, they don't deserve tact.

I have a particularly unpleasant 'astral-alien-parasite-succubus-scam-infiltration' tale of my own, but as far as I know, I'm the only person who's ever experienced this directly (at least, the only person I can locate on my version of the www...) This isn't some woo 'ghost' type thing, it was a direct phase dimensional shift type experience whilst in a hypnopompic state, and the results were immediately felt, and visible, physically from both within and without the abdominal cavity. It is there, in such a tangible way, and I've seen a group of specialists awing over the results of my MRI scans & X-Rays - it showed up on the x-rays, very clearly, to the point that I was refused access to some of my x-rays, and the ones I was given showed it hiding behind my left lung, its manta-ray spine-like tail hanging down into the abdominal cavity...

As I write there's some kind of Barney the Dinosaur MK-Ultra style crap playing loudly in the house next door, not even bothering to disguise the sinister weirdness of the manipulated sound edit.

MILAB? Yup. Astral encounters? Yup. Memory implants? Seems that way. Dream implants? Yup. Surrogate family? Hypnotic suggestion and subliminal conversational structure within apparently ordinary conversation? Yup. The phrase: "Old, old, be good" means nothing at all if you're simply handing someone a cup of tea, and yet that is the strange way my family speak to me, all the time. They go out of their way to make me look stupid, weak, & without any shade of a hope of anything good ever coming to pass in my life. Moving on... Physical abduction? Uncertain - definite possibility, but no actual memory, despite missing time incidents. Inexplicable scars? Yup. Strange people approaching in the street and discussing matters of military & mystic phenomena, before being shooed away by quickly-appearing 'normal folk'? Yup.

Hypnotic night-time visits from people in the know, while we're all sleeping (likely suppressed by EM field devices, preventing dogs from alerting us)...? Yup.

In fact these apparent 'men of letters', the last group mentioned just there, who lead the 'sit down round the table of a night-time for a hypnotically managed discussion & reality check/ reassurance/ encouragement to keep on keeping on...' are the only guys amongst all mentioned who don't despise me, by the seems of things.

God only knows at this stage, but things that I once wasn't sure about (such as family situation) I now have 100% certainty of, and I have come to be at peace with these strange things. I don't even care if I get flamed, there's no point being subtle - all their craft & subtlety has gone out the window, as can mine...

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

I've been told in no uncertain terms, under highly controlled circumstances and protection, that there's "...still a war going on up there", and this is the reason for all the cloak and dagger shenanigans, the cards close to the chest, the misinfo & disinfo, the warping of truth to fit agendas of all stripes..

It's a literal battleground of both esoteric & technological means - what I've started referring to as a 'Lukewarm War' (a bit more active and deterministic than an illusory 'Cold War', but with some restraint and caution, probably out of fear of ruining the planet for whoever comes out on top...)






After completing this post, a word popped into my mind: "Nomenclature". Of course, I'd heard the word before, but didn't actually know what it means (normally I'm fairly good with word definitions). I looked it up, and it means: 'the devising or choosing of names for things, especially in a science or other discipline..'

In the context of this post as completed a few moments ago, I realised that it's the first time I've explained my understanding of the 'Lukewarm War' anywhere on the Interwebz.

Fun fact, strange but true!

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
So what is the agenda of the men in black to keep us all in the dark about the truth?

I would like to at least hear a story of something good they may do for our civilization. . . .

I would imagine that much of their agenda is image based. These so called Men In Black probably do not know very much about the secret world which employs them. They are thugs, used to create a mythos of mystery and fear.

Fear more than anything else can keep people from discovering the truth.

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: FormOfTheLord



I've been told in no uncertain terms, under highly controlled circumstances and protection, that there's "...still a war going on up there", and this is the reason for all the cloak and dagger shenanigans, the cards close to the chest, the misinfo & disinfo, the warping of truth to fit agendas of all stripes..



It's a literal battleground of both esoteric & technological means - what I've started referring to as a 'Lukewarm War' (a bit more active and deterministic than an illusory 'Cold War', but with some restraint and caution, probably out of fear of ruining the planet for whoever comes out on top...)

After completing this post, a word popped into my mind: "Nomenclature". Of course, I'd heard the word before, but didn't actually know what it means (normally I'm fairly good with word definitions). I looked it up, and it means: 'the devising or choosing of names for things, especially in a science or other discipline..'



In the context of this post as completed a few moments ago, I realised that it's the first time I've explained my understanding of the 'Lukewarm War' anywhere on the Interwebz.



Fun fact, strange but true!

Perhaps there is a battle going on for our very evolutionary directions, sometimes we win sometimes we lose.

However if they have a method of never experiencing the times we lose like the live die repeat thingy we would never be the wiser.

I hope it's ok if I chime in....

The majority MIB I've met (in casual passing, mind you - not any handshake deals or anything close to it) are just regular guys doing regular work. I've never known them to be cruel or outwardly mean, but then again, I'm also very childlike and open minded when it comes to the UFO/Alien phenomenon and don't get all freaked out and panicky about the majority of such subjects. I also don't spread irrational fear on the subject unless something is flat-out deadpan threatening, and even then we tend to keep our distance with one another when discussing those encounters for various reasons.

The worst case scenarios I've had come certain species who don't like it when I talk about them because they're very sensitive about how they are portrayed to the average civilian and they can kind of get mean when they feel they've been disrespected.

I've never been intentionally disrespectful when discussing aliens/inter-dimensionals, but in hindsight (from on one occasion where I was being harassed by a distinct group) I guess I can see why they don't like being discussed too candidly and with broad strokes of the brush...it creates a lot of confusion when you only really have "general terminologies" to describe a faction of beings who extend much greater than one all-encompassing descriptive term.

I really wish I had a "field guide" handy sometimes instead of remote observational trial and error with that faction. They really are absolutely fascinating, a bit shy (understandable) and marvelous when it comes to their technologies and creativity.

I know that's somewhat vague, but I'm somewhat new to this intensive an experience and have limited data with which to describe the multitudes of lifeforms out there. But I will say this much: The majority of them are just like humans in that they are unique individuals who like to be treated as such. They have feelings and concerns much as humans do and they should be respected and treated kindly in light of that fact....regardless if we have cause to "believe in them" or not.

(Just in case anyone wishes to "have a go at me" please direct your rude and unproductive sarcasm and commentary to my U2U inbox instead of disrupting the thread....thanks in advance should you really feel the need to lash out at me, as I won't be responding to any such attempts at invalidating my personal experiences in thread as they are pointless and only show the brute force of your ignorance and incapacity to follow simple requests and instructions in the long run.)

Hope this submission was on-topic, Mister theGUT....I really respect your work here on board.

a reply to: GENERAL EYES

You have met men in black really. You do know someone in a black suit is not automatically a men in black. The men in black, if you take any time to go read about them (which you obviously haven't) are menacing and have one purpose to silence people who have seen to much, hence they are often referred to as silencers so please don't act like you have met them because its obvious you haven't.

a reply to: AthlonSavage

Althon, really - read the last paragraph in my post.

You've been following me around for ages disputing everything I contribute.

Just because your world is cold and bleak (and hey, sorry it sucks to be you) doesn't mean everyone is on that plane of experience.

Just drop it already.

Your hostility is not serving anything productive in these threads.

a reply to: GENERAL EYES

the last time I replied to one of your posts was how many months ago? You haven't met Men in black and that's a fact, I guess I said something I shouldn't of so ill be expecting a visit from the silencers lol

a reply to: AthlonSavage

"The Silencers".

You're not referring to the same MIB I am, I'm talking about the human variety.

No, I haven't met the ones that seem to have followed around certain Grey and Nordics in the past.

Does that help quantify my contribution any?

Probably not, but whatever....feel free to take or leave it as you see fit.

Disclaimer:

***I would hope the mods exercise managerial discretion with regards to this post - I'm discussing a member, true, but only for the fixed & immutable purpose of bringing this thread BACK ON-TOPIC, away from the incessant, deceptive & dissonant drivel that currently fills its pages.***

Mod assigned to check this post? Please read my comments in full with an open mind, I will be more than happy to resubmit an edited version of this comment as needed (I copy/pasted the whole thing to a doc), but blimey, I haven't seen such wilful, deceptive engineering of nonsensical thread drift anywhere on ATS, ever! Skim read the past forty pages and see how cleverly it was done, how different members were unawares engaged in discussions concerning different irrelevancies by the same person, how he 'empathy-glued' himself to new people as the preceding others realised what was happening... All of this, leaves us with the tragic net effect of committed contributors sighing, turning away, & consigning this amazing thread to 'What a damn shame...'


Main post:

Aside from this last page or so (which I found interesting - and yes, I agree that the distribution of non-constructive comments should generally be straight to the inbox, instead of trolling/derailing actual channels of conversation), this wonderful thread has become a repetitive ego-massage/circle jerk surrounding the omnipresent member we all know, whose views morph in accordance with whom said member is talking with at any one point in time.

That isn't said as an insult, it's more an astute observation, and one which The GUT himself has iterated, a number of times, with exasperation, in this, originally one of his finest threads (until the circle jerk of warping misinfo irrelevancies began).

I want to point out that per terms & conditions of membership, any contribution to this thread should be based around the content of the OP, and the initial responses & discussions surrounding the topics raised in the OP, and not in response only to the seeming infinitude of irrelevancies expressed as loosely affiliated components of the grand multitude of worldviews held by one particular, ubiquitous member.

Honestly, said member, tell the truth - are you just looking for empathy? I can understand that, I feel lonely too. However, since I have followed this thread page by page from the very beginning, I can be straightforward with you & ask you to please, pretty please, stop 'contributing' - unless you have something of direct relevance to add, in terms of something that applies to a consideration of the OP & the initial gaggle of interesting & thought-provoking replies, associated reflections & linked topics.

NB - 'Direct relevance' does not mean grasping at straws & happy-happy-joy-joy with anyone who decides to engage with you and your morphing plethora of acceptable worldviews (many of which are directly contradictory to previously stated beliefs, and thus your online personality is entirely dissonant - I see that in other threads you have found an 'excuse' for this, but it doesn't wash with me, having watched from the beginning...)

And, before you say that I am breaking my own rule of directing 'insults' in-thread, as opposed to dumping them to an inbox, it is not the same thing - not at all.

I want to see The GUT back in this thread & happily engaging with a great number of intelligent & curious souls who respect his work, who are intrigued by the wide-ranging implications of his presentation - a truly great presentation, consisting various existing theories (collated for us), or ideas directly derived from The GUT's own reasoning, based on observed patterns of data.

The GUT seems to be saddened by the necrosis of this thread, & I totally understand why - I am too.

My frustration is IMMENSE, when I see page after nonsensical page of self-propelled egoism & pedestal posturing - with of course, the ever-mutating POV of the main offender. Talk about thread drift - if you read all of it (a literally painful experience; the brain boggles) - you will see how well-crafted it actually is.

To be honest, the Mods didn't pick up on this in the early stages of the derailment, because initially it was tenuously linked to the actual topic of the OP. However, as a result of the intensive & persistent efforts of one man, placing himself centre stage in the sights of all members, this thread has become such a tangle of BS and self-effacing crap, that no single Mod can actually be expected to go back & delete all of the member's derail/drift comments.

That's a shame, because a Mod on steroids is what it would probably take in order to draw the GUT (& other intelligent, self-consistent members with something of value to add) back into a proper conversation on the ideas that have resulted from his original presentation/ follow-up comments. The initial discussion, of course including truly linked topics, with potential ramifications of each scenario, were excellent - and then the derailment began. The entire second half of the comments in this thread are an absolute maelstrom of nonsense - self-effacing gush & guff, which deserves to be 404'd into oblivion.

Sorry if this offends anyone, but come on - how many others have stayed around for more than a few pages to respond to said member before they realised what was going on, shook their heads sadly, & left the thread never to return? It's an absolute disgrace, a travesty in truth - it brings the calibre of content on the site down to kindergarten level, & destroys the potential opening of minds by creating a whirl of inconsistent dissonance.

It's so utterly pervasive as to have a truly 'grey goo' effect on the desire to contribute actual, valid, reasonable & well thought-out inquiry, destroying the very fabric of what started life as an otherwise excellent example of what ATS can be - a pool of knowledge, insight, linking of topics, debate & discussion, with civility, with wit & fervour, with intellectual rigour.

Said member, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Ironically, this comment is likely to be 404'd instead, & therefore I have copied it to The GUT's inbox, in the hope that he will understand that we really, really need him back here, to combat the drivel that has inundated his thread for the past forty pages or so. Good God in Heaven, we need to up the ante, asap - it's appalling that we've allowed this to happen to such a great thread. I have a mind to go back, dig out the best comments from the early stages, & deliberately re-quote them in full, in order to rebuild a platform upon which the fire of proper discussion can burn brightly.

I will in fact do that, though I will wait to see if any previous contributories are willing to resist the flood of nonsense that put a muzzle on their innate right - the right to civilised discussion without interruption or deception from a man who claims to believe 'a' on day one, 'z' on day two, 'f' on day three, 'x' on day four, 'b' on day five, 'j' on day six, & 'zilch' on day seven. Ad infinitum...

ARGH!



GUT said the same thing, many moons ago, but the charade continued - different day, same (yet vaguely different) #.

No resonance radiating into our subconscious. Dissonance reigns, Chaos scores a point.

The Control System is operational..

a reply to: GENERAL EYES

Watch out for the real silencers, referenced above ^^^^^^^

I found your contribution useful & interesting. I too know of the secret services, their methods & reasoning, and have been contacted by them on a number of occasions. There are many groups, it's like chasing shadows. There is an upside, in that Justice will ultimately reign, and an accord of true peace & progress will be the result. We just have to stay alert to the times, and motivate each other to keep on keeping on.

Try to ignore anyone who would attempt to mute independent, valid & original thought. Anyone who claims to believe one thing on a certain day, and contradicts himself a few days later, seemingly not worried about doing the same thing over and over again, can safely be ignored. They are adding shadows to the wall of Plato's cave, and detracting from those who are trying to alert us to the world outside the cave.

People in the know, who side with the good, are few and far between, in ordinary communities at least. That doesn't mean that we have no validity - my experiences tell me that many people in the intel circles of the modern age, are willing to put their lives on the line for people they barely know, simply to preserve the common good.