The Men In Black(OPs) The Aviary & UFOs

reply to post by Willtell


What do you mean? These parasites have charted the course
of human history for perhaps as long as 50,000 years.. from
negative, to really negative, to wanting to be apocalyptic.

The 'flying around and probing people thing' actually has
NOTHING to do with what they are doing, other than to
slowly increase a possible Pysop of an alien messiah
scenario in concert with TPTB and a few other goals.

They want humans to worship false gods (gods period-
all are false) and to develop high tech which they lack,
as they are purely spiritual not technological. (they
want android bodies).

Everything is on perfect track; perfectly going according
to plan. All observed data makes perfect sense.

Yah, I know this sounds 'out there' - but almost everything
on ATS does. For purposes of this reply, I'd just like you to
be open to other possibilities than the 'standard ones'.

KPB

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


So you have a belief system, or a belief, that the ETs are parasites?

No problem with that. I don’t have such knowledge or belief. But if your belief is true then of course I wouldn’t want them in charge, though we already have parasites in charge.

Point of order

…And if the ETs were predators…so what.
What are we to animals, such as cows, pigs and chickens? Monkeys, rats and mice?
How do we think they feel?

You ever been in a pharmaceutical laboratory?

It might be our karma

It may be that we aught to never have fallen to eating meat. We virtually have enslaved various species of animals so what if the ETs are predators, what do we deserve?

Willtell
reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

 

So you have a belief system, or a belief, that the ETs are parasites?

No problem with that. I don’t have such knowledge or belief. But if your belief is true then of course I wouldn’t want them in charge, though we already have parasites in charge.

Direct experience. And many people are starting to come to
a similar conclusion; but yep; until it's double blind verified,
it's still a hypothesis and I have no problem with it being
characterized that way.

And yup; we definitely have human ghouls feeding on the
body & corpse of the human race.

Again, I'm saying that there are very logical hypothesis about
'UFOs and aliens' that far exceed "flying around and anal
probing people".

KPB

KPB

Willtell
Point of order

…And if the ETs were predators…so what.
What are we to animals, such as cows, pigs and chickens? Monkeys, rats and mice?
How do we think they feel?

You ever been in a pharmaceutical laboratory?

It might be our karma

It may be that we aught to never have fallen to eating meat. We virtually have enslaved various species of animals so what if the ETs are predators, what do we deserve?

I've written no less than 5 posts, that are 3x as graphic in details
like your post. Yup. We have been scum and now the crows are
coming home to roost.

I'd rather that we stop being scum however. Maybe learn enough to
stop the tragic cycle of history.

It's worth trying.

KPB

Willtell
Point of order

…And if the ETs were predators…so what.
What are we to animals, such as cows, pigs and chickens? Monkeys, rats and mice?
How do we think they feel?

You ever been in a pharmaceutical laboratory?

It might be our karma

It may be that we aught to never have fallen to eating meat. We virtually have enslaved various species of animals so what if the ETs are predators, what do we deserve?

Well ain't that the 64 Billion dollar question! I can actually see this being the case for the reasons outlined above, word for word. I mean hey, if ET's are here I don't see much benevolence nor do I see them or our government heading in said direction.

No, in fact, as a collective everything points quite the other way. Does it not? This world has been infected. With what? I don't know. But the earth and ourselves are sick. It pervades everything, up is down and left is right these days. Perhaps even everything we are seeing is in fact as it should be just as you state. Truthfully, everything to me seems as it should be and its tragic but only if there isn't hope at the other end. Maybe that's the point, despite all this obfuscation, lies and total bull# that surrounds us, we need to see the cyclic nature and inevitable reboot that is desperately needed.

Not to sound all doomy or anything. Lol

reply to post by Rosinitiate


You know what would be a kick in the pants?

Most people see that we've all been stuck in this massive
loop of history, where we keep repeating the identical
same mistakes and that we can project a point in the
future, where we might run out of time - maybe 200
years from now.. maybe 1000 years from now.

Now many people it seems, have a favorite story about
'running out of time'. This sort of apocalypse.. that sort
of apocalypse.. which goes to show that these folks
can't LET GO of the VERY NONSENSE, which is CAUSING
the 'end' to come in the first place.

I have a novel idea..

STOP

STOP THAT

We don't need to keep powering that death cycle..

If we all stopped lying to each other and to ourselves,
practiced a little more compassion.... and held our
elected officials to the same standard.. or throw them
out of office..

that's all it would take.

But people don't want to do that.. they apparently
LOVE the death cycle...



Your opinion?

KPB

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


Buddha taught a version of that, constantly recycling ones ignorance or giving birth to it again and again through the same ignorance.

True religion was developed so humans could stop the recycled ignorance and move on to enlightened being—their lost nature.

Clerics, within the original teaching of ALL the religions, destroyed the dynamic and created dogmatic political religion.

The premise of ALL the religions was that humans somehow lost their original nature and that there is a path to acquire that lost nature.

It’s about the nature of something that we are dealing with…in this case the nature of the human

Our lost nature has created negative archetypes that we repeatedly practice and descend into and therefore produce the same folly.

It’s really that simple.

The path is to transcend these negative archetypes through the practice of positive archetypes but it is so difficult because the negative is so powerful and imbedded into human nature

In-fact the very antidote to this has become negative and that is religion.

reply to post by Willtell

Clerics, within the original teaching of ALL the religions, destroyed the dynamic and created dogmatic political religion.

This reply of yours was REALLY GOOD.

I'm going to post something related in the metaphysics
section.

I myself think that religion can NEVER be the answer, as
it is such a short step between positive and negative..
that the entire institution of religion is very much
and identically prone to corruption just like
the institution of government.

Give humans a chance to lord it over others, and they
will jump at the possibility with vigor and determination
every single time..and they will turn the institution into
a nightmare every single time.

KPB

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


I apologize for going too much into this topic in this UFO thread.
You are right it should be in another type thread.

I kind of know metaphysics very well so sometimes I go off into my experience too often.

Though I think there is a tie in to religion( metaphysics) within the MIB stuff that itself is pretty complex even for this thread.

reply to post by Willtell


If you want to discuss metaphysics and UFOs just
call it "PSP Phenonemon" !



But the truth is, that "PSP thing" is something
which has been ignored in metaphysics for the
most part; in fact I've been 'struggling with
PSP phenonemon' my entire life, and had
never heard about it until I started studying
UFOs a bit here on ATS. I was certainly
familiar with the Trickster --- oh very much;
but I was missing a piece. So I'm very grateful
for my time at ATS.

KPB

reply to post by The GUT


I recently read John Markoff's excellent What the Dormouse Said, which covers the intersection of the early computer age with the 1960s counterculture movement, and saw a handful of familiar names. Given the history of the valley as a hotbed of military sig-int research during the second world war and the continued connection between government military and civilian intelligence agencies and the use of hallucinogens through the 1960s, it may be worthwhile to cross-index the names here and look for clear associations.

So much of the work being done in the computing fields was military-funded and very blue-sky that one has to wonder a bit about whether or not the DoD thought it got its money's worth. Add in our own Dr Vallee's work on Engelbart's Pentagon-funded 'Project Augment' (which Markoff's book claims was full of hippies early on, and later had an outbreak of EST -- and whose original intent was 'the use of computers to augment human beings'), and the similar goals of the human potential movement active around that time...

Perhaps contrary to what some of us here suspect, individuals reaching their full potential is very useful to state actors -- so long as the advances are greater on their side of the border than outside of it, and so long as those in charge continue to have a more than equal share of the advances! Encouraging human potential movements is more than just a PR move, but is actually a canny way of disguising national improvement as personal improvement (and costly mistakes don't come out of federal budgets if they are done independently -- some costly mistakes can even later be weaponized). Military intelligence had every reason to keep its thumb on the fast forward button on the west coast, and to continue encouraging experimentation even in situations where the situation was already falling apart. It may be foolish to think that the experiments were limited to abstractions like social dynamics, rather than also taking into account factors of economic productivity and combatting brain drain.

OkabeRintaro
reply to post by The GUT

 

I recently read John Markoff's excellent What the Dormouse Said, which covers the intersection of the early computer age with the 1960s counterculture movement, and saw a handful of familiar names. Given the history of the valley as a hotbed of military sig-int research during the second world war and the continued connection between government military and civilian intelligence agencies and the use of hallucinogens through the 1960s, it may be worthwhile to cross-index the names here and look for clear associations.

So much of the work being done in the computing fields was military-funded and very blue-sky that one has to wonder a bit about whether or not the DoD thought it got its money's worth. Add in our own Dr Vallee's work on Engelbart's Pentagon-funded 'Project Augment' (which Markoff's book claims was full of hippies early on, and later had an outbreak of EST -- and whose original intent was 'the use of computers to augment human beings'), and the similar goals of the human potential movement active around that time...

Perhaps contrary to what some of us here suspect, individuals reaching their full potential is very useful to state actors -- so long as the advances are greater on their side of the border than outside of it, and so long as those in charge continue to have a more than equal share of the advances! Encouraging human potential movements is more than just a PR move, but is actually a canny way of disguising national improvement as personal improvement (and costly mistakes don't come out of federal budgets if they are done independently -- some costly mistakes can even later be weaponized). Military intelligence had every reason to keep its thumb on the fast forward button on the west coast, and to continue encouraging experimentation even in situations where the situation was already falling apart. It may be foolish to think that the experiments were limited to abstractions like social dynamics, rather than also taking into account factors of economic productivity and combatting brain drain.

Good to see other folks picking up on this thread! You might be interested in some of the stuff in my 'pet theory' thread - I'd love to see if you could bring any more info to the table regarding the intelligence amplification work with children.

reply to post by OkabeRintaro


One would think that if anyone were to develop any kind of potential
in any field of research: to include 'paranormal fields', that various
'agents', both governmental and non-governmental would tap that
blooming resource. And probably the best way to 'hide that acquistion'
would be to hide the candidate in plain sight..leave them working in
their existing public face, at least partially.

The CT mental imagery of sprawling secret bases filled with dubious
characters is surely more like something in Austin Powers than in
reality.

It's humorous really.. the 'desire not to be heckled' has acted as an
inverse psyop on the very fellows who might most abuse the things
they are too embarrassed to research properly.

KPB

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by OkabeRintaro

 

One would think that if anyone were to develop any kind of potential
in any field of research: to include 'paranormal fields', that various
'agents', both governmental and non-governmental would tap that
blooming resource. And probably the best way to 'hide that acquistion'
would be to hide the candidate in plain sight..leave them working in
their existing public face, at least partially.

The CT mental imagery of sprawling secret bases filled with dubious
characters is surely more like something in Austin Powers than in
reality.

It's humorous really.. the 'desire not to be heckled' has acted as an
inverse psyop on the very fellows who might most abuse the things
they are too embarrassed to research properly.

KPB

That is more or less what the picture I've been seeing emerge looks like. Modern UFO research continues, but its done under various banners like MHD/Plasma stuff and the breakthrough propulsion physics guys (some of whom worked for NIDS). The problem is that folks go by the popular culture depiction of the subject (which has been subject to deliberate contamination by the US gov and others) and don't look at the good stuff that has been written on the subject.

Even if it all turns out to be nothing more than unusual atmospheric plasmas - then we've got self-sustaining, self-organizing plasmas that would be VERY relevant to study for fusion research, if not weaponization. Getting around the giggle factor is the hard part.

OkabeRintaro
I recently read John Markoff's excellent What the Dormouse Said, which covers the intersection of the early computer age with the 1960s counterculture movement, and saw a handful of familiar names. Given the history of the valley as a hotbed of military sig-int research during the second world war and the continued connection between government military and civilian intelligence agencies and the use of hallucinogens through the 1960s, it may be worthwhile to cross-index the names here and look for clear associations.

I'll be checking that out and with your exceptionally interesting suggestions in mind. Thank you, Okabe.

reply to post by 1ofthe9


Agreed.

As you might imagine, I'm still 100% on the PSP track here.
However watching that black triangle fly over my house
for 20 seconds, and it was like no more than 2000 feet
away at it's closest.. certainly makes me understand why
someone would believe in physical UFO, and disagree
vehemently that they are not, in many or most cases
some sort of 'projection' ('spiritual' materialization).
I could see individual creases in the 'metal' surface
and other features.. so quite a convincing 'projection'.
However due to 2 other incidents, one the day before
and one the day after, I'm still solidly on the PSP track..
but very impressed with the level of detail.

KPB

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by 1ofthe9

 

Agreed.

As you might imagine, I'm still 100% on the PSP track here.
However watching that black triangle fly over my house
for 20 seconds, and it was like no more than 2000 feet
away at it's closest.. certainly makes me understand why
someone would believe in physical UFO, and disagree
vehemently that they are not, in many or most cases
some sort of 'projection' ('spiritual' materialization).
I could see individual creases in the 'metal' surface
and other features.. so quite a convincing 'projection'.
However due to 2 other incidents, one the day before
and one the day after, I'm still solidly on the PSP track..
but very impressed with the level of detail.

KPB

Keep an eye out for any high weirdness. That seems to be the recurring and defining trait in these things. A lack of high strangeness in a case would seem, to me anyway, to imply a local point of origin. Although advanced molecular manufacturing on the part of the phenomena is a possibility...

reply to post by 1ofthe9


Oh I ran into plenty of weirdness.

But I must also admit, that I've now read some of the standard
UFO stuff (I'd never read ANY). I've read Alexander (who sees
things much like I do apparently). I've watched Dolan, who has
lots of interesting stuff to say, but I disagree with 75% of what
he says. I've read up on triangular craft. Read some of the
Trickster book.

The thing that bothers me, is that I 'felt nothing spiritual' about
that black triangle craft. It didn't give me 'that feeling' I always
get around spiritual phenomenon. But I got 'that feeling' very
strongly the day before and the day after. Both times I was
very vigorously 'spiritually attacked'.

Now I know this will sound quite hypothetical, but it's not the
listening to other people's views or reading what they say
that I care much about; for the most part; oh sometimes
someone has something valid or unique to say. But generally
what's helpful to me is to see a picture of someone who knows
something but isn't releasing that.. and hearing their voice
and listening to them speak is even better. Then I have
something to 'lock on'. Then I got to bed and in the morning
when I wake up I have a lot of new information. Of course
I could be 'psyopped' during my sleep.. so I don't just take
all that hook line and sinker. I test each concept.

For example I'm feeling something about a rather largish
non-military, non-governmental group of people who have
some interesting tech; and some connections.. I never
felt them before..I feel some crazy things about them..
but will keep that craziness to myself... oh definitely
'human'. Don't get me wrong there.

Well anyway.. that's all.. signing off from the twilight
zone for the evening.

KPB

There is a rather item by Seamus Coogan at the link below looking at issues relating to the Aviary/Doty etc from a slightly different perspective (that of someone interested in alleged disinformation regarding JFK):
www.ctka.net...

I've only skimmed it so far and the UFO related parts seem largely derivative of work by others (including Greg Bishop and Mark Pilkington), but some of the bits about JFK research/researchers were new to me.