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posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 03:01 PM
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4.) They are tied to the hip with intelligence factions and their prime directive(s) include ufological deception.


bing! bing! bing!

At least that's my answer. On the plus side though, in their efforts, I think they also have some real information that came out also, even if it was only to bolster their claims. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.....




posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by IsaacKoi
Hi The Gut,

Just thought I'd let you know that I've (finally) turned to focusing on researching and writing a thread which touches on The Aviary.

I'm still polishing up another thread (on Astronomers and UFOs) that I've been working on for, well, ages but there isn't much more research to do done on that project. It's just a matter of shorting out notes for a thread which (even by my standards...) is likely to be fairly lengthy.

While doing the rather tedious work of sorting out those notes, I've started getting stuck into the more interesting research involved in trying to understand various issues which involve looking at several of the people involved in The Aviary. I'll probably be bothering you shortly to compare notes.

From initial explorations in the last few weeks of a few issues that I've noted over the years, I'm fairly sure that I'll shortly have some material that you and some other members of ATS will find interesting.

I've been away for awhile and have just started to really miss good ol' ATS. That doesn't infer that I haven't continued digging into this subject. Much of that, btw, plumbing some of your reading suggestions and following breadcrumbs therein (thank you.)

So glad I dropped back in, and so very, very interested in your thoughts and research, IsaacKoi. I was just going to check my messages and this thread and, BAM, I'm hooked again, Sir!
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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by Gazrok

4.) They are tied to the hip with intelligence factions and their prime directive(s) include ufological deception.


bing! bing! bing!

At least that's my answer. On the plus side though, in their efforts, I think they also have some real information that came out also, even if it was only to bolster their claims. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.....

Thanks for weighing in, Gazrok. We agree in principal on that and your observations are always appreciated here and elsewhere.

What do they know? What do they suspect? What are their varied machinations? I truly suspect, now more than ever, that we have at least one small clue to at least one aspect of the puzzle. One word keeps coming up again and again and again: Electromagnetism.

What does that mean or infer? Is it a primary clue to the puzzle...or just one aspect? It's there though in every one of the primaries histories. The principals all have a fascination with it to some degree or another. It could be a red-herring...but Majick 8-Ball says "Getting Warmer." More coming soon.



posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 09:58 AM
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posted on Apr, 4 2013 @ 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by The GUT

Originally posted by iforget
This is the part that makes me lean towards deception and not official disclosure, though I wish it otherwise. To me it seems counterproductive to instill the fears and then attempt to dispel them with the truth...

Yep, the "fear" part doesn't make a lot of sense, although I guess it could be argued. But if it's "deception" for reasons other than disclosure--and I personally lean that way--and if Dr. Green wouldn't seem a likely candidate to pooh where he eats, then what might that deception mean, eh?

Thanks.


It doesn't matter if the fear part makes sense... Er, what I mean is, fear is ALREADY an immovable part of the equation when you're dealing with this subject. Some people claim to have been abducted, so they are gonna have fear no matter what, if disclosure of any type would happen. Some people are extremists in religion or philosophy, and would automatically have a fear based, possibly hostile response... So how do we handle the fear? Blow it into rediculous proportions, and then when you give "the truth", it will assuage those blown up fake fears, and hopefully, along with that, the other fear that was already there might break off of the human collective psyche and get washed down the drain as well...

It's a psychological approach, obviously...and I don't know exactly how well it would work, but I can understand the idea behind it.

Whether he's being deceptive or not, well, he's ex CIA so... He definitely could if he wanted to. Maybe this was meant to direct our attention away from a very real reptilian situation involving our babies...who knows?



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 08:40 PM
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I had some ideas while reading the rest of the thread (sorry if these have been mentioned already -- this is such a long thread that I had to skim large portions).

Regarding SERPO's 'cheesiness' (and other 'unbelievable' stories):

While we can assume that these stories were accidentally unbelievable to large chunks of the community (and, to be sure, intelligence agencies make mistakes -- sometimes hilariously obvious ones, like with the highly unscientific experiments described in the extant MK-ULTRA documents), this suggests that other ideas that are floating around are far more believable (or that intelligence is simply crap at telling stories with verisimilitude), and it ignores more potentially interesting ideas.

If we assume that, instead, some memes are intentionally made hard-to-swallow, then we see that doing so makes the participants in an experiment self-selecting. A patently ridiculous meme caters to small subcultures of gullible people, and encourages those who don't buy it to announce themselves -- and no one will announce falsely except intelligence plants and the occasional troll. This makes the experiment easy to observe. Furthermore, by turning up the absurdity you can concentrate your sample size (by throwing out some of those on the fringe), and even artificially induce cognitive dissonance. You still get a community, so you can study interactions. You also get a second subcommunity of skeptics to play with.

With regard to Vallee, and also to the counterculture angle mentioned early in the thread:

I'd be interested to know how much interaction Vallee had with some of the Big Names in 60s counterculture. A lot of the prominent intellectuals operating outside the mainstream had a huge social circle; Ted Nelson (working in the computer field, but a sociologist) took classes under Tim Leary and worked for John Lilly, and Rudy Rucker had similar connections -- Vallee seems like his early correspondence might be a who's who of several important subcultures: UFO nuts, techies, counterculture icons, intelligence plants. RAW knew Leary and quoted Vallee at length in Cosmic Trigger I, but I don't know if they knew each other (I had a hard time getting through Forbidden Science; it's the only of Vallee's books I haven't finished).

Even if Vallee is innocent of collusion (I personally like and trust him), if anybody was to get the idea to treat the abductee community as an isolated information system for the purpose of performing experiments in transactional psychology with high levels of emotional content during the early 60s, it would be somebody who was drinking deeply of Vallee's and Leary's pet memes, and if we assume that the Hill incident was a part of it, then we start looking at about the time Leary's interpersonal matrix was starting to catch on.

The later associations between the yippie current and UFOs (with the Lennon UFO sighting, PKD's 2-3-74 experience, and Jefferson Airplane's 'Have you seen the saucers') could be explained by prolonged intentional memetic infection within this group, which itself was born from a mixture of CIA/Navy experiments and Leary's Harvard experiments.

With regard to the RV connection:

Remote viewing groups present another ideal experimental group: a small collection of schizotypal personalities prone to visions (real or imagined), socially isolated by confidentiality agreements, into which memes can be injected. Set the pot to simmer and cover for a few hours (ganzfield method of inducing visions, wherein sensory deprivation is used, leaving the subject alone with his memes) until it's all baked in. Perhaps most of the common characters between Project Stargate (and other RV projects) and obvious psyops (SERPO, the strawberry ice meme) are experimental subjects, instead of merely agent provacateurs.

I'm loving this thread, btw. Keep up the good work.



posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 07:54 AM
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I'm loving this thread, btw. Keep up the good work.



posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 08:57 AM
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Very deep meaty post of yours, I read it slow and carefully. Fascinating.



posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 10:23 PM
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I have to agree with Eidolon and MissChareese: Lot o' intellectual meat in that post, Okabe. Thank you. Please do keep reading and I hope you'll have some more commentary.

The latter pages began to delve further into Vallee's friends and connections and the overlap is very interesting and most likely revealing in some of the ways you infer.

Forbidden Science II is, I think, a valuable book as far as these topics are concerned. Vallee seems to live up to the respect I've always had for him in this way: I believe he's leaving clues that the UFO topic has been used--and abused--for a multitude of questionable purposes.

Thanks again and I look forward to your posts in this thread and elsewhere on the boards.



posted on Jun, 17 2013 @ 06:25 AM
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Thanks for the support, everyone.

I'm going to dig through the thread again, over the next few days, but does anyone recall if Michael Persinger was mentioned earlier? Persinger seems to be another one of these particularly interesting players: a 'hard science' guy with real academic credentials and some important mainstream research (like Vallee) who has since allowed himself to be pidgeonholed into the fringe, and Vallee's statements about microwaves and flashing lights being the source of undirected hallucinations in the 1977 interview seem to be a reference to Persinger's ideas, not to the Microwave Audio Effect (which I think was mentioned earlier in the thread). Notably, Persinger used the particular technique of recording dates and locations of UFO reports and throwing out the details that Vallee argued against in his interview, in researching for Space-Time Transients.

With regards to the Microwave Audio Effect, the JPL did a study and released an official explanation: that the mechanism of action is changing the air pressure in the middle ear. This has a number of clear problems, and maybe is a topic for another thread, but it's interesting, particularly put next to patent filings. If one is creative, one can start to come up with more dramatic explanations for the JPL putting out disinfo, especially if one brings in Jack Parsons and all that.



posted on Jun, 17 2013 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by OkabeRintaro
I'm going to dig through the thread again, over the next few days, but does anyone recall if Michael Persinger was mentioned earlier? Persinger seems to be another one of these particularly interesting players: a 'hard science' guy with real academic credentials and some important mainstream research (like Vallee) who has since allowed himself to be pidgeonholed into the fringe, and Vallee's statements about microwaves and flashing lights being the source of undirected hallucinations in the 1977 interview seem to be a reference to Persinger's idea...

I'm almost certain I referenced Persinger here...I'll try and find it. Of course, as you allude, Persinger is another player that crosses paths with all the other "weird science" guys here over and over again from the 70's up to this day.

I know that Persinger was working closely with Scientologist prodigy and RV pioneer Ingo Swann just a few years ago. EM effects seem to be such a large part of this saga...do you have any further thoughts on that, Okabe, and how it might relate to the issues addressed here and ufology in general?

I'm still processing your excellent observations and will comment on them as we go along. In the meantime; any links you might have that you feel are "educational" will also be greatly appreciated, as is the fresh blood you are pumping into this topic.


Which reminds me: X, Xonoan, we salute you! Hope to see you here again soon!



posted on Jun, 17 2013 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by The GUT

Originally posted by OkabeRintaro
I'm going to dig through the thread again, over the next few days, but does anyone recall if Michael Persinger was mentioned earlier? Persinger seems to be another one of these particularly interesting players: a 'hard science' guy with real academic credentials and some important mainstream research (like Vallee) who has since allowed himself to be pidgeonholed into the fringe, and Vallee's statements about microwaves and flashing lights being the source of undirected hallucinations in the 1977 interview seem to be a reference to Persinger's idea...

I'm almost certain I referenced Persinger here...I'll try and find it. Of course, as you allude, Persinger is another player that crosses paths with all the other "weird science" guys here over and over again from the 70's up to this day.


I'm building up a list of 'likely candidates' for involvement, with a focus on 'weird science' leaning toward psychology, and most of it is geared toward work in the 60s and 70s. There's quite a bit of material here, since that was a busy time. Even limiting it to people with known direct military/intelligence involvement, documented UFO interest, and associations with mainstream psychology brings up a lot of names.


I know that Persinger was working closely with Scientologist prodigy and RV pioneer Ingo Swann just a few years ago. EM effects seem to be such a large part of this saga...do you have any further thoughts on that, Okabe, and how it might relate to the issues addressed here and ufology in general?


I'm leaning towards mind control experiments, but I don't have much to go on. We have documentation of really horribly failed mind control using drugs in the form of the late-stage MK-ULTRA psychic driving experiments, and documentation about other even more wacky experiments. However, as Vallee noted in Passport to Magonia, there have been a lot of things extremely similar to UFO flaps, from long before modern radio and flight technology -- while I don't recall hearing about microwave burns from fairy abduction cases or from the 1897 flap, whatever caused them could be the cause of the microwave burns.

However, a lot of the 'weird science' with ties here also links to radio and audio research. Andrija Puharich (sort of in the same boat as Persinger and Sarfatti) has intelligence ties and a large number of patents on ELF EMR and 'electrotherapy' (shades of Persinger here). More on him later, since he was involved with Uri Geller.


I'm still processing your excellent observations and will comment on them as we go along. In the meantime; any links you might have that you feel are "educational" will also be greatly appreciated, as is the fresh blood you are pumping into this topic.


Thanks. I certainly will!



posted on Jun, 17 2013 @ 09:17 PM
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Alright, here's some information straight from my notes (sources from Wikipedia unless otherwise specified, checked this morning) on three persons of interest during the period 1947-1963. There's probably some overlap with elsewhere in the thread.

Guy Bannister:
Involved in the FBI, in what appears to be COINTELPRO operations.
I'm told that he was involved in handling SM-X and that he performed the investigation on Wilhelm Reich (but I haven't confirmed either of these things independently)
Officially retired from the FBI 1954.
New Orleans P.D. 1955-1957.
Private investigator 1957-1964, from 1960 in a building from which he ran anti-Castro propaganda, down the street from an FBI office (so, likely continued work).
People into JFK conspiracy theories will remember him, probably.

Colonel Edward Lansdale:
Involved with the OSS, CIA, USAF, Army
USAF intelligence division chief for the western pacific region while in the Phillipines from 1945-1948, where he was involved in psyops (specifically the famous vampire and aswan ones referenced in Mirage Men)
Instructor at the Strategic Intelligence School at Lowry Air Force Base 1948-1950
Back to the Phillipines in 1950
Involved in coordinating anti-Castro activities in Washington, DC from 1957-1963 (until fired by McNamara of the Kennedy administration, according to Daniel Elisberg)

Paul Linebarger:
Involved in the genesis of the Office of War Information & the Operation Planning and Intelligence Bureau while in the Army
Published Psychological Warfare (the standard book on propaganda) in 1948. (I have this book, and it's excellent, although it doesn't cover psyops as exotic as the ones Lansdale pioneered.)
Worked for the CIA at one point, and advised the Kennedy administration
Rumored to be the pseudonymous "Kirk Allen" in Lidner's case study (retold by RAW -- I think in Quantum Psychology), in which a psychiatric patient convinces his therapist that he is a visitor from outer space (similar to the plot of the novel K-PAX)
Under the pseudonym Cordwainer Smith, published a large number of science fiction stories in English making experimental uses of narrative devices from chinese myth

Andrija Puharich:
Medical degree in 1947, army in "the 50s"
Worked at Edgewood Arsenal Research Laboratories & Camp Detrick; met with CIA, Pentagon, naval intelligence
Investigated Uri Geller, Ze Arigo, Peter Hurkos, Pachita
Studied ELF, electrotherapy
See patents:
- www.google.com... "TRANSDUCER FOR STIMULATION OP FACIAL NERVE SYSTEM WITH R-F ENERGY"
- www.google.com... "ELECTRICALLY STIMULATED HEARING WITH SIGNAL FEEDBACK"
- www.google.com... "Method and apparatus for splitting water molecules"
- www.google.com...=onepage&q=Henry%20k%20puh arich&f=false "METHOD AND APPARATUS FOR HEARING BY BIODETECTON AND BIOTRANSDUCTION OF RADIOFREQUENCY ENERGY"
X-Ref Vallee, look for connection to )+( group

If we assume that experiments on the UFO community began with the Maury Island incident, and was orchestrated by military intelligence, and that this project continued through the lifetime of Project Sign, then these guys are worth looking at. (They also let us bring in research from people looking at the Kennedy assassination, which is heavily documented, and they connect us to the life of Kerry Thornley, which while confusing is nicely covered by Gorightly's biography.)

These notes are in pretty rough form; sorry. Maybe someone can get something out of them. The Puharich patents point to a knowledge of RF and neurological reactions to the same -- possibly connected to the microwave burns. I can do another dump on the microwave audio effect later, if requested.



posted on Jun, 17 2013 @ 10:53 PM
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So are you saying that everything from the rise of the counter-culture/new ageism to Maury Island to SRI/Berkley to Remote Viewing to the JFK Assassination ALL have probable ties to Mind Control & Social Engineering??!

Yeah...me too!


We can also add Ira Einhorn to our list...



posted on Jun, 18 2013 @ 02:16 PM
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The intelligence community at the beginning of the cold war was very busy with a lot of far-out ideas, and had relatively little oversight. While MK-ULTRA was the most obvious example, there are other, earlier ones -- I suspect the blue-sky nature of some of these comes out of the openness to new ideas that military intelligence and R&D developed during world war two (when science fiction technology out of H. G. Wells novels like nuclear weapons and long-range rocketry were actually developed, and people like B. F. Skinner and Norbert Weiner tried to make missiles guided by live trained pigeons), which simply bled over into the following three decades.

If you wanted to do something crazy in the period 1945-1975, and you wanted money for it, your best bet was to spin it as having military applications and then ask the federal government for help. So, it's only natural that the Kennedy administration (putting enormous amounts of money into a literal moonshot) would have its finger in every pie and ties to every crazy project.

Since the Kennedy administration is fairly heavily documented (largely because of the work done by people looking into the assassination, aided by the fact that the particular time in history during which it occurred represented the height of paper record-keeping technology, the early stages of electronic long-term storage of records both analog and digital, the beginning of the availability of analog audio and video recording devices to consumers from a growing and increasingly affluent middle class, and a local maximum in popular concern about the intent and methods of government intelligence operations), rather than depending upon potentially degraded and potentially still-classified military records and personal correspondence from the 1940s, we can start from the 1960s, where documents in various forms by civilian researchers about military intelligence and central intelligence operations are common.

Since the fields of transactional psychology and entheogen research both came into their own in the early 1960s, and other related sciences also experienced similar breakthroughs (the transistor revolutionized radio technology when it first appeared in 1957, the same year that REM sleep was identified), the 'weird science' angle is also easy to follow from here. I think it is also during this time that reports on soviet research into dowsing and bioenergetics led to an increased interest in ESP research by the millitary-industrial complex in the united states and her allies.

(Also, we all know that JFK was shot with a magic ice bullet by shape-shifting venusian holograms
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posted on Jun, 18 2013 @ 04:22 PM
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As is the case with The Gut, i have been away dealing with real life and a huge refurbishment of the house I live in so, it's good to see this thread still going and still attracting some erudite and nicely researched posts.

This thread has undoubtedly, lifted the corner of the scabrous skin that covers Ufology and has definitely tweaked a few noses in various parts around the community.

Here's a thought, Lord Hill Norton, Creighton and many of his compares were convinced that UFOs were demonic in origin and that, the "counter culture" was part of their plot. In effect one could say that, they would have accused the likes of Leary and Wilson as being either, "aliens" themselves or, agents working on behalf of the "aliens"

Common sense would suggest that MK Ultra was the biggest own goal in black ops ever as it had exactly the opposite effect that was its' intention. Rather than mess the Warsaw pact up it actually, merely served to denude the NATO forces of 1000s of brilliant minds who turned volt face and actively sought to find a "new way" to deal with the "big issues". By the 1970s, the USA was forced to go on huge scoping operations to replace 1000s of scientists and other specialists who had "jumped ship" and basically, "dropped out" of the mainstream. Hence we had the so called "Brain drain" in Europe where the mighty dollar was waved in front of umpteen scientists and others to fill the gaps left by the mess of fall out of MK Ultra.

How many people are aware that, The Merry pranksters jumped in a bus and went on their trip sic, primarily because a couple of people involved in the tests had died as a result of them running out of hand and it was paranoia on behalf of several of "The Pranksters" that led them to flee the scene of the experiments and go "public".

When you factor in the strange tale of the British female journalist who happened to ask the right question without even realising it and then died in a mysterious car crash, only weeks later, circa the mid 70s, what becomes painfully apparent is this. It was the basic frailty of human schemes and their inability to see past anything other than an end game that led to a whole slew of ever more labyrinthine shadowy groups all desperately, in behalf of the Western establishment, attempting to bung the genie back in the bottle, long after said genie had left this plane of existence, both literally and figuratively. .

Chuck in a genuine dark college of Masons who believe "enlightenment" is only really for those they see fit and you have a soup with dozens of different chefs all with their own recipe. The net sic result being that, they are doing as good a job as the "aliens" themselves at muddying the waters to such an extent, no-one, not even those in the dark and secret places really have a clue what the game is really all about and what they are actually striving to achieve. If you really read Vallee and Keel that's what they are often hinting at. We'rte doing the "alien's" job for them, by our own internecine conflicts.

In short , 70 years down the line and Jose the costermonger from Quito is as likely to "know" who and what "UFOs" truly are as, the most eminent scientist from the deepest reaches of the world's black op departments. If you doubt this analysis then I suggest you view Prof Alexander's most recent foray into the world of UFO documentaries. That is what he, in effect says..."I dunno what or who they are..we, the intelligence and military. dunno who and what they are...no-one seems to know just who or what they are and more importantly, what they want.... yet we do know they exist...

The sceptics ship is not only holed below the waterline, it's listing and about to sink under the cold waves of reality however, if you're expecting a cosy explanation for the phenomenon, one that fits the typical sceptic world view then you are going to be sadly disappointed. Welcome to,The Universe Next Door, The Trick Top Hat either leave your prejudices and preconceptions at the door or, simply walk away because, this ride only becomes ever weirder.



posted on Jun, 18 2013 @ 10:58 PM
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The transistor was first constructed successfully in 1947 and by 1948 the name "transistor" was coined. By 1953 the transistor was being used in commercial products. I don't believe it, but I have heard the supposition that the first transistor was inspired by the findings at Roswell; after all, the year is quite coincidental.



posted on Jun, 19 2013 @ 10:11 AM
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The transistor was first constructed successfully in 1947 and by 1948 the name "transistor" was coined. By 1953 the transistor was being used in commercial products.


Sorry, you're right. I mis-remembered some of my history.


I don't believe it, but I have heard the supposition that the first transistor was inspired by the findings at Roswell; after all, the year is quite coincidental.


To be fair, Bell Labs was alien and super-high-tech compared to the rest of the world. Any major project introduced from there is bound to be a shock -- they were doing research into quantum effects on electronics in the 1920s, and while the field effect transistor was the first use of this visible to the consumer market, they were way ahead of everyone else in terms of practical applications of the physical sciences even before that (including in the use of vacuum tubes). Bell Labs introduced, for instance, modern rubber wire shielding to a world where wire shielding was typically cloth soaked in tree sap, and Bell Labs built the first geosynchronous communications satellite (a passive one, just for moon-bounce type techniques, launched in 1959); they introduced videophones in 1964 (the first indication that nobody really wants video phones... the infrastructure was expensive and they flopped), and mechanism by which most cell phones operated (or rather, the cell mechanism by which all cell phones operated and most mobile phones operated prior to the mid-1990s, but which is no longer used in mobile phones because it doesn't support digital transmission) was introduced by Bell Labs in 1947. (Cite: The Idea Factory by Jon Gertner, Penguin Press, New York, 2012)

My point with expounding upon the events in the 1960s, though, was to point out that a lot of interesting and well-documented things were happening at that time. When influential people are very active, they end up being active around each other, and paths of communication form. Affinity groups form, indistinguishable from conspiracies except for the judicious application of Hanlon's Razor. While I doubt the people I mentioned were necessarily colluding (specifically, I like and trust Paul Linebarger and I don't think he was probably capable of going along with the idea of #ing with the heads of a whole group of people for a long period of time in ambiguously defined ways; he goes on and on about ethics in his book, saying that avoiding particular forms of psyops are what separate the allies from the Nazis, etc.), we can still trace the ideas back.



posted on Jun, 19 2013 @ 12:15 PM
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FireMoon!! I'm not ashamed to say that seeing your newest post here put some much needed pep in my step and did my heart good, mate!

I see your time off has done absolutely nothing to dull your worthy mind. A great bit of writing and some fascinating observations--Word to yer Mum.


Amongst other things, I was certainly surprised to view the Merry Pranksters in a potential new light and one that has struck a particular chord with me.

If'n you need a vacation stateside, I can promise you 3-star accommodations, 4-star food, and 5-star hospitality. Actually, I believe I can sweeten that pot...I'll u2u later.

I'm also thrilled to see wtbengineer around these here parts! Many of you may not be familiar with him because he's rather humble and doesn't draw much attention to himself, but lemme tell you here and now that he's an ATS sleeper. Another here who makes my own personal shortlist for brilliant minds.

With Kemosabe-Okabe drawing fresh blood with in-depth ideas worthy of consideration and then seeing me old friends ring in...I guess I need to get off my butt, shake out the cobwebs, dig in, and deliver something--hopefully--of consequence me-self.



posted on Jun, 19 2013 @ 12:40 PM
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I came across an interesting piece on international finance in the context of post-war relations in Europe, and it specifically mentioned Lansdale. I haven't checked other sources to see if any of this can be confirmed. Ed Lansdale makes it into almost any list of movers and shakers in military intelligence and psyops during the latter half of the twentieth century, either side of the prime meridian.



To some extent, this is arbitrary, but we might date the origins of spook money to the end of World War II. You ever heard of a guy called Ed Lansdale?

Didn’t think so.

According to Sterling Seagrave, Lansdale was sent by General Charles Willoughby to the Philippines after the war. Lansdale “joined the torture sessions of Major Kojima Kashii “as an observer and participant”. As Seagrave explains: “Since Yama#a had arrived from Manchuria in October 1944 to take over the defense of the Philippines, Kojima had driven him everywhere.”

In charge of Kojima’s torture was an intelligence officer named Severino Garcia Diaz Santa Romana (Santy). He wanted Major Kojima to reveal each place to which he had taken General Tomoyuki Yama#a, where bullion and other treasure were hidden.” Ray Cline argues that between 1945 and 1947 the gold bullion recovered by Santy and Lansdale was moved by ship to 176 accounts at banks in 42 countries. Robert Anderson and CIA agent Paul Helliwell set up these black gold accounts “providing money for political action funds throughout the noncommunist world.“

The story goes that MacArthur sent him directly to Truman to tell him about the gold the Japanese had amassed through their unrivalled theft operation in mainland Asia -gold that had never been included in the total estimate of world gold. (A dodgy number, anyway. The Vatican Bank estimates a much higher volume of world gold reserves than the Fed. That would be the same Vatican Bank that stashed the Japanese emperor’s gold at the end of the war.)


Source: runesoup.com...

While that blog has always seemed literate and sane, I have no idea how accurate the posts are (it's in a whole different realm from Rigorous Intuition, which tends to cover well-documented topics and can be compared at length with other readily-available sources). Certainly, international finance and its connection to international politics is covered at length in other areas, but it's always questionable if these sources are to be considered *reliable* since political alignment is so intertwined with this topic and with its analysis.

That whole thing, for now, seems tangential. It's easy to take any of the primary figures in intelligence in the period between the beginning of World War Two and the end of the Nixon administration and attach conspiracies to them (and you've got interesting figures like Angleton, a fire-hose of disinformation and conspiratorial behavior that will rip your lips off if you try to drink from it), but since this directly relates to some major parts of the origin story of modern psychological warfare, it's worth looking into.





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