The Men In Black(OPs) The Aviary & UFOs

2 1/2 pages of someone's wasted time. How many pages altogether since this thread started?

Wonder if it's an ATS record of some dubious sort?

Makes a guy feel special that he can invoke such a reaction from folk.

And remember folk: Ufological Memes are brought to you by folk who disdain you and think you are nuts and enjoy messing with your head. One day, some day, that might make you mad.

Heck, maybe he's right after all. Don't worry, I'll stick up for ya, anyway.

Found the following on an old thread:

Homeland Security, Defense and Human Effects Experts Appointed to Harrington Advisory Board

Date : Tuesday, March 22, 2005

SANTA CLARA, CA -- (Market Wire - Mar 22, 2005) -- MDM Group, Inc. (OTC: MDDM) advises that MDM Group subsidiary, Harrington Group Limited (HGR.AX) earlier today advised the Australian Stock Exchange of the appointment of an additional three world-renowned homeland security experts as founding members of the Harrington Group Advisory Board.

Joining Colonel John Alexander, a global authority on non-lethal weapons and defense, will be Dr. Christopher Green, a forensic medicine and electrophysiology specialist, Dr. Edward Stephen, a specialist in pharmacology and bioterrorism defense, and Dr. Allen Bain, a leading pharmacologist focused on specialised drug development including new treatments for disorders of electrically active tissue.

The combined expertise of the Advisory Board will provide Harrington with outstanding guidance in strategic product development and commercialisation, and grow the Company's profile in the law enforcement, defense and homeland security sectors.

Harrington Group CEO Marshall Couper said: "All four Advisory Board members have extensive knowledge of Harrington's ShockRounds(TM) electric ammunition technology, as well as outstanding expertise in less-than-lethal weapons, Homeland Security issues and human effects.

"Harrington is focused on accelerating its product development, formalising strategic and commercial relationships and securing the expertise of leaders in the field. The formation of a world class Advisory Board is an important step forward in this strategy."

Joining Colonel Alexander are:

Christopher C. Green, MD, PhD, FAAFS

Dr. Green is in the practice of forensic medicine (American Academy of Forensic Sciences) and neuroimaging (Detroit Medical Center/Harper University Hospital/Wayne School of Medicine). His work clinically relates to his expertise as a neurophysiologist with a specialty in electrophysiology. A special research interest involves the way cognition in "making decisions under stress" are modulated by brain systems and neuromuscular control. He is both a faculty member at the Medical School and Fellow in Diagnostic Radiology, and Executive Director for Emergent Technologies.

Dr. Green serves on numerous Department of Defense, Intelligence and National Academy of Sciences Commissions. He Chairs the Science Board for the Undersecretary of the Army for Operations Research and has served as Chair of the Board on Army Science and Technology. He holds the National Intelligence Medal for investigations in forensic intelligence and served as an Officer and continues as a consultant with the Central Intelligence Agency.

www.prweb.com...

Sounds like Homeland Security anticipates having to use some of that non-lethal weaponry stuff, huh?

Thread here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

And this thread from Springer:

HUGE NEWS and AboveTopSecret.com Moves To the Next Level!

In which it is announced:

It is with GREAT PLEASURE and PRIDE that we announce the addition of Dr Christopher "Kit" Green to the AboveTopSecret.com Team.

Dr. Green is not only one of the most congenial, genuine and PLEASANT gentlemen I've ever spoken with he is without question one of the TOP Forensic Medicine, Radiology, and Psychiatry & Behavioral Neurosciences and fMRI geniuses alive on this planet.

Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green really gets around! I wish I had that much energy and smarts!

Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green really gets around! I wish I had that much energy and smarts!

That's what you think he does and that what he wants you and his friends and family to believe. Kit Green is actually, a small mongoose called Cyril, who lives in Aspen and lists snowboarding and chasing poisonous snakes about, as his hobbies in "Who's who".

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That's hilarious. Have you read Nandor Fodor on the talking Mongoose? Nandor Fodor is a lost classic of parapsychological analysis - oh I mentioned before along with D. Scott Rogo.

That was Geff I think --

well so are we all saying that Abovetopsecret got duped by Kit Green on the whole SERPO disinfo? Springer stated that Kit Green pulled the plug on it or asked ATS to do so. But that certainly doesn't absolve the CIA agent or whatever -- rather would seem to indicate a hasty retreat before the trail gets too hot with, of course, "plausible deniability" as the ultimate cover.

Oh yeah and isn't Obama CIA while we're at it? I know it's off-topic but just thought if this is about CIA disinfo certainly Wayne Madsen's expose on Obama being CIA would delve into any facades of homey-goodness.

It reminds me of those fake "home baked" packaged cookies -- you read the label and it's "chock full of chunky wunky" or whatever. That always cracks me up -- the most facetious b.s. you can make up.

I'll be continuing to post relevant data to the subject matter here no matter how many pages of troll posts there might be. So stay tuned.

Also, Attention!

[color=SpringGreen]New thread soon: Scientology: the Daddy of Remote Viewing & the Birds

In that thread, I'll be covering some things that previous researchers have missed--including new revelations--and some surprising things that have been mentioned before but missed for relevancy.

Just so that it is clear, for my own sake as well as the thread, this post is spawned from TheGUT's post regarding Gus Russo on page 20 and Eidolon23's mention of Victor Dix. I am only saying so because I am not really going to explain myself much, so this post is going to seem whacky if one is not caught up with this thread. Like me, for instance, I am around page 17 and taking notes and I have a lot I want to say, but I may give it one more go over the most salient points and posts just so I am sure I have it together.

Meanwhile, I am utterly shocked, and do not have much nice to say.

I never in a million years thought that I would be grateful to "Victor" #ing "Dix" for a retroactive, epiphanic, heads up on Harry Potter. I'm going to set a place for him at the table this thanksgiving. And when my family asks I am just going to go "Shhhh!".

Here's why. See...

We are a noble creature, we Race of Mankind, and we spin the finest stories. And those stories become cultural lighthouses, if you will, that guide us through Life. And it's OK really, we like it this way, we do it automatically and it is part of being human. Pierre Bordieu had a really wonderful way of describing the whole thing, the good and the bad of it.

But anyway, in the western occult tradition these things are sometimes referred to as an Egregore and might be thought of as a conglomerate thoughtform. That is how folks that think of egregores think of them, anyhow, like the collective pool from which members of society draw their beingness, and reasons for it, from. It is initially built of what a society thinks is good and meaningful and useful and lovely and then it becomes its own entity, re-broadcasting that signal back at the society from which it came.

I am usually tuned to the King Arthur channel and have been since I was a tiny child. It may have pagan western European and maybe even Circassian roots, but it was firmly transplanted to America in all its Christianized complexity by the time I was little.

So, I have always known that there is something desperately wrong with Harry Potter. Like it has poison on it, I would not and have not touched it. And now I know why. I could never put it to words, but based on the experience of the last year, and considering the content of that Russo post by The GUT and a little boost from a friend. I get it now.

And you guys are going to make me york.

Seems like people have always had this hole in them that they have been talking about trying to fill. I know that I have one, many, really. I have often in my life been able to fill almost all of those holes, at the same time, with certain literature. I am eternally indebted to it. Like I said, most often I have turned to The Arthurian Cycle in all it's forms, and books about it and so on, so that now, because of my early interest, I have been taken on a literary journey that has been integral to the development of myself as a person.

In today's society, it is hard to find the light from the Light House, most of the time, I had such a hard time I can't imagine what it must be like for today's young people. The egregore of goodness that is and was the King Arthur stories is far from what is being offered to children as a cultural light house these days. And that must leave a great big vacuum in society, that all those holes go unfilled with any kind of agreed upon cultural conception of goodness.

And now it seems to me that that is what has been setting me off regarding the Harry Potter phenomenon. That hole that is in every one of us, despite the fact that it belongs to us, is probably a device that is used to control us, if we have not taken measures to secure that part of ourselves, for ourselves.

I am not trying to be all sophic and glib. It is a simple matter of awareness of our power to suspend our disbelief that needs to be developed. It don't get no more esoteric than that. If you were asking, Reader.

So we have these places in us that long to be filled with meaning and duty and service, and even a place in us for the love of God and for loving God back. As I said, it is part of who we are, we do it everywhere we go, the most successful societies seem to invest the most in cultural narrative structures, egregores, that uplift their citizens and inspire them to live fulfilling lives while serving the greater needs of society,

The King Arthur thing did a good job of that. I think that at least those that agree with me will agree ( ) that the world, and America especially, is greatly lacking any connection to that conduit of goodness.

continued...

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If you are trying to make sense out of this post, and you are not one of the 4 or 5 people that this is all very clear to, then imagine the attractiveness of Knighthood to Western or occidental men an women. It is a very attractive model for people to structure society on. Now hang with me here; see, that's the problem, if that goes away, even just based on lack of interest, imagine the cultural vacuum that is left behind. Then people, maybe in large numbers, start to have ideas like the ones some of you are having now.

You might be thinking, “That old antiquated, tyrannical, hierarchical, whatever! It's does not suit modern society?, how can it be useful to everyone and exclude no one? Tear it down!” and all that sort of new fangled thinking.

And you might be right, and there are entities out there, like governments that are concerned with riding herd on nations of people, that fear that ideas like that might spread willy nilly, just as it was expressed in that Pilkington post on the first page.

I see Harry Potter for what it is now...

Send it in on the same signal vector as whatever the greatest cultural narrative (variations and themes on the Arthurian Cycle, IMO) had been operating on and voila!.

Problem is, that where the Arthurian Cycle had tremendous depth, substance and just plain raw information and knowledge, Harry Potter has nothing. It is bereft of anything. It is like a mouthful of ashes.

And that is probably where Victor and I part company immediately in terms of opinion. I can't really be sure, but I do now share with him the fundamental opinion that the Harry Potter books represent some kind of social device used in an experiment that has succeeded beyond anyone's wildest expectations. To what end? Well, I suppose we could start with whatever end feels just like Arthur and Merlin but is not, and carries absolutely 0 information or knowledge regarding anyone's culture, in particular.

Just because the books and films are drenched with the trappings of western and estern European culture and myth and legend, does not mean that the 'novels' (the scad of them) have a shred of real information in them.

And I will close with a bit from T.H. White's A Once and Future King to back that argument...

There was a real corkindrill hanging from the rafters, very lifelike and horrible with glass eyes and scaly tail stretched out behind it. When its master came into the room it winked one eye in salutation, although it was stuffed. There were thousands of brown books in leather bindings, some chained to the bookshelves and others propped against each other as if they had had too much to drink and did not really trust themselves. These gave out a smell of must and solid brownness which was most secure. Then there were stuffed birds, popinjays, and maggot-pies and kingfishers, and peacocks with all their feathers but two, and tiny birds like beetles, and a reputed phoenix which smelt of incense and cinnamon. It could not have been a real phoenix, because there is only one of these at a time. Over by the mantelpiece there was a fox’s mask, with ‘Grafton, Buckingham to Daventry, 2 hrs 20 mins’ written under it, and also a forty-pound salmon with ‘Awe, 43 min., bulldog’ written under it, and a very life-like basilisk with ‘Crowhurst Otter Hounds’ in Roman print. There were several boars’ tusks and the claws of tigers and libbards mounted in symmetrical patterns, and a big head of Ovis Poli, six live grass snakes in a kind of aquarium, some nests of the solitary wasp nicely set up in a glass cylinder, and ordinary beehive whose inhabitants went in and out of the window unmolested, two young hedgehogs in cotton wool, a pair of badgers which immediately began to cry yik-yik-yik-yik in loud voices as soon as the magician appeared, twenty boxes which contained stick caterpillars and sixths of the puss-moth, and even an oleander that was worth sixpence—all feeding in the appropriate leaves—a guncase with all sorts of weapons which would not be invented for half a thousand years, a rod-box ditto, a chest of drawers full of salmon flies which had been tied by Merlyn himself, another chest whose drawers were labelled Mandragora, Mandrake, Old Man’s Beard, etc., a bunch of turkey feathers and goose-quills for making pens, as astrolabe, twelve pairs of boots, a dozen purse-nets, three dozen rabbit wires, twelve corkscrews, some ants’ nests between two glass plates, ink-bottles of every possible color from red to violet, darning-needles, a gold medal for being the best scholar at Winchester, four or five recorders, a nest of field mice all alive-o, two skulls, plenty of cut glass, Venetian glass, Bristol glass and a bottle of Mastic varnish, some satsuma chine and some cloisonne, the fourteenth edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica (marred as it was by the sensationalism of the popular plates), two paint-boxes (one oil, one watercolor), three globes of the known geographical world, a few fossils, the stuffed head of a cameleopard, six pismires, some glass retorts with cauldrons, Bunsen burners, etc., and a complete set of cigarette cards depicting wild fowl by Peter Scott.
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-T.H. White, The Once and Future King 

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That is blocked exactly as White meant it to be, a giant run on multi-paragraph thing. Do you see how White just gets that out of the way? While that is all that the Harry Potter novels are made up of? Expected fluff. The expected and required furnishings of western High Fantasy. Nada.

The rest of White's novels, in their original form, are a deep treatise on the existential woes of incarnate Man. And though each person must go alone to face that mystery, the books offer teaching tales to help instruct little citizens on how we all tend to handle those woes best.

And as I said, Harry Potter has nothing. Nothing Good, anyway.

I am still catching up. I will be back soon.

X.

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Just out of curiosity and since the people upon which you've cast aspersions read like a who's who in the field, to whom do you give credence? How about Keyhoe or McDonald? It there anyone at all that you haven't tarred and feathered? I mean if I didn't think better of it, I'd begin to think of the McCarthy era tactics, or Robespierre, who lost his own head during the Terror.

Seriously, you must know how trivial it is to post from one IP/MAC and reply to your own post after opening new accounts under changed internet and machine identifiers multiple times. The thought's crossed my mind because I've seen it done many times before over the years, most prominently by Usenet trolls to produce conflict or all out flame-wars, but the principle's the same for web traffic. Not suggesting you're doing that, just saying that it must have occurred to anyone in the know.

Not that I don't agree with you that there isn't a preponderance of nonsense fueled by greed, attention-seeking, deception, false flag ops, misdirection, 'religion' of all stripes, ad nauseum.

However, my attention goes to radar-visual cases with preference to multiple radar; multiple visual data, and verified trace evidence. I also keep an eye on some unrelated data which unaccountably dovetails with UFO data. Pretty much the rest of the 'ufological' field is mostly 'noise' to me, to be ignored, or attenuated with nary a passing glance. What cases do you find most credible, if any?

Take Serpo. After scanning a couple paragraphs I knew right away it was bs. I simply don't waste any time on these jerks. I find myself wondering why you do. And just who in the field do you hold in high esteem, if anybody.

Originally posted by gguyx
Take Serpo. After scanning a couple paragraphs I knew right away it was bs. I simply don't waste any time on these jerks. I find myself wondering why you do.

Yeah, I ignored Serpo. I had to catch up for the study presented here. I don't like social manipulation. It reeks of sociopathic elitism.

And just who in the field do you hold in high esteem, if anybody.

Keyhoe, Stringfield, Macdonald, Hall : Pretty dang good. Vallee, Hynek, Keel to a degree, Harley Rutledge: Better.

Maccabee had been hanging around the CIA for a very long time. In fact, Ron Pandolfi’s predecessor at the CIA, Christopher C. “Kit” Green, had spoken to Bruce Maccabee in 1979. Kit had apparently stated that the CIA files might contain as many as 15,000 UFO-related files, of which two or three thousand were really interesting.

Back in the 1980s, UFO researcher Bill Moore had also described Kit Green as “a person close to the President of the United States, capable of checking on information to determine its reliability.” It is remarkable that of all UFO researchers, Maccabee and Moore seemed to be prominent visitors of the CIA “Weird Desk”, as the likes of Green and Pandolfi were known.

In this scenario, few possible explanations make sense. Either the Weird Desk has such documents in their possession, but then the question is why full disclosure did not come about – noting that various channels and opportunities existed in the past decades to get the “truth” about the Contact Scenario out. The other scenario is that someone has been playing games – psychological warfare.

This, and other "UFO incidents", did not evolve around whether or not UFOs were alien spacecraft, or, whether or not, ET crashed in Roswell and the Air Force put his tiny, grey body on ice. The UFO psychological warfare was a display by a small group of people, who pretended to have a big secret; a big secret they pretended to have the power to shield from the public as a whole, and the President and his entourage in specific.

It was a mechanism whereby even the President was led to believe there were men somewhere in his government whom he had to fear tremendously. The latter was true - but not because they were in possession of alien beings. In truth, it was - and is - nothing more than an exercise in power, in which a myth was created, then promoted, then apparently covered-up, even though each cover-up was a confirmation of

The Alien Overlords

Bleow is an excerpted piece on memes that I thought was nicely written. My take on 'em is that Memes are the practice of Majick. Black Majick it often seems. Hmmm. Majic-12. When crafted, and not of the Jungian variety, they are specifically conjured to bend others to the "magicians" will. I speak, of course, in metaphor.

Memes are contagious ideas that replicate like viruses from mind to mind. The Internet is like a Petri dish in which memes multiply rapidly. Fed by fascination, incubated in the feverish excitement of devotees transmitting stories of cosmic significance, the UFO meme mutates into new forms, some of them wondrous and strange.

"The Roswell incident" is but one variation of the UFO meme. On the Internet, Schmitt's words are hyperlinked to those of other UFO sleuths and legions of interested bystanders like myself, as fascinated by the psychodynamics of the subculture as by the "data" exchanged as currency in that marketplace. Before we examine a few fragments, let's pause to remember what the Internet really IS…

…Certain phenomena, including UFOs and religious symbols, elicit powerful projections. We think we're seeing "out there" what is really inside us. Because projections are unconscious, we don't know if we're looking at iron filings obscuring a magnet or the magnet itself. Carl Jung said UFOs invite projections because they're mandalas - archetypal images of our deep Selves. Unless we separate what he think we see from what we see, we're bound to be confused.

Repetition makes any statement seem true. Hundreds of cross-referenced links on the Web create a matrix of even greater credibility. In print, we document assertions with references. Footnotes are conspicuous by their absence on the Web. Information is self-referential. Symbols and images point to themselves like a ten-dimensional dog chasing its own tails. "Roswell" may be the name of the game, but what does the name really say?

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Originally posted by gguyx
Just out of curiosity and since the people upon which you've cast aspersions read like a who's who in the field, to whom do you give credence?

What researchers have I cast aspersions on, btw? Maccabee, maybe.

Seriously, you must know how trivial it is to post from one IP/MAC and reply to your own post after opening new accounts under changed internet and machine identifiers multiple times. The thought's crossed my mind because I've seen it done many times before over the years, most prominently by Usenet trolls to produce conflict or all out flame-wars, but the principle's the same for web traffic. Not suggesting you're doing that, just saying that it must have occurred to anyone in the know.

That thought has occurred to me about you, I will admit.

Not saying you are he, but you do seem to know how. I don't actually.

Not that I don't agree with you that there isn't a preponderance of nonsense fueled by greed, attention-seeking, deception, false flag ops, misdirection, 'religion' of all stripes, ad nauseum.

So you agree and yet prefer not to clean up the trash, I prefer to try and keep the floor swept.

CIA, under its assigned responsibilities, and in cooperation with the psychological strategy board, immediately investigate possible offensive or defensive utilization of the phenomena for psychological warfare purposes both for and against the United States, advising those agencies charged with U.S. internal security of any pertinent findings affecting their areas of responsibility.

www.deeppoliticsforum.com...

The Pied Pipers of the CIA
...In short, Menger’s story was a CIA experiment to see how easily and whom specifically could be fooled into believing anything...

...More significantly, it is now known that Adamski was the same: he was not only encouraged in his work, but actively supported and assisted, by the CIA.

This became known – though not widely reported when scientists attempting to investigate Adamski's claims (in an effort to discredit him and stop him in his tracks) were warned off by CIA Director Allen Dulles in person. And research has shown that during tours of Europe and Australia to promote his “message”, Adamski travelled on a passport furnished by the CIA.

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(Flying Saucer Review 1960 Credit: Kandinsky)

The Villas Boas case is one said to be instigated by a CIA/military psy-operation, according to DoD/CIA operative Bosco Nedelcovic, who told me the story in the late 1970s. Nick Redfern covers the account in his book Contactees [Chapter 20].

Nedelcovic presented a scenario that’s hard to accept by some but readily accepted by those who’ve studied the machinations of the CIA and military, the so-called psychological operations.

Villas Boas was, Nedelcovic said, collected by a special unit whose purpose was to create simulated alien contact. The unit operated in South America, with the help of A.I.D. and also in Great Britain, where Nedelcovic said they were part of the infamous Scoriton contact with a man named Bryant.

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And

Other parts of the story also ring true. At the time of the incident the CIA and the US military were firmly established in Brazil, and all over Latin America, keeping close tabs on political developments in the region. Brazil was considered a particularly sensitive nation; its vast size, considerable natural resources and proximity to the US made it a ripe target for Soviet expansion. Things would come to a head in 1964 when the CIA participated in a coup to oust President Joao Goulart, replacing him with a brutal military junta that held power for the next two decades.

"In 1957 the CIA was also deeply involved in its MK-ULTRA programme, researching mind and behaviour-altering techniques involving drugs, surgery and technology. They experimented with a number of psychoactive substances -hallucinogens, sedatives, stimulants, psychomimetics and more -often so entirely unwitting subjects. Would the CIA have conducted some tests on subjects outside of their own jurisdiction? Certainly. For the CIA at this time, the entire world was within its jurisdiction.

"Villas Boas was repeatedly sick during and after his experience, and also suffered unpleasant physiological effects that Fontes took to be related to radiation exposure. Might the strange 'cubicle' described by Nedelcovic have been used to illicitly test the effects of radiation exposure?Although Nedelcovic doesn't mention what they wore for the helicopter flights, Villas Boas's description of the entities' clothing and helmets could be conceived of as radiation-protection gear."

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Villas Boas Courtesy of USA?