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posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 06:46 PM
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One of my countries deadliest days since the Vietnam War - and whilst I appreciate that the US suffers losses like this on almost a daily basis, it's a huge shock for Australians to wake up to news like this.

Our newspapers are making statements such as




Not much more can be done to protect our soldiers from such attacks. Better screening of Afghan recruits is being put in place but there is little likelihood this will be effective. Most ''green on blue'' attacks are by disgruntled Afghan soldiers. Some extremists do join the Afghan security forces but are not yet a major threat. Read more: www.theage.com.au...


The difference between when I was on the ground vs now seems to be polar opposites. Our most deadly enemy is from "within" the ranks that we are training, and seems to be due to cultural affronts and resentment from within the Afghani troops.

What a truly terrible,*snip* world we are now living in.

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posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 06:49 PM
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Not much more can be done the complicit MSM says?

Hows about bringing them the [SNIP] home?

edit- An orderly exit is not possible. That is obvious. The United States should guard their own massive embassy they have built there. Or try to. The rest of us should cut our loses and vow never again to be dragged in to this bs.
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posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 06:52 PM
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I don't understand why Australian soldiers are over there? WHY? They have nothing to do with anything.



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 06:53 PM
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Australian Soldiers kill 5 Afghan Children Pt1 and Pt2





You are not hero's and never will be






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posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 06:54 PM
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As part of our ongoing support for our "big stick" of defence - the US of A.

Apart from that, what's been the point of any conflict since WW2? To "suppress" communism, or the Taliban? To seek out WMD? To use the stick to push down or slap states whose policies we don't agree with?

I hate this loss of life.



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 06:55 PM
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posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 06:57 PM
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What has this got to do with my post? How is it relevant, at all, to the topic in hand?


Revenge Einstein.

Afghani's want revenge for murder of their children and occupation of their country.


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posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by Pedro4077
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What has this got to do with my post? How is it relevant, at all, to the topic in hand?


Revenge Einstein.

Afghani's want revenge for murder of their children and occupation of their country.


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That's a fair statement - but is this the right forum and topic to post it in?

Did you not see that I'm an ex-serving member, and it's a pretty raw topic at the moment.

Same as if you posted about a member of your family dying - and I then posted a reply saying they probably deserved it due to the way humanity has treated the world.

I wouldn't; because saying that implies that it's an individuals responsibility for the actions of the collective.

I pity you, and I feel sad for you, that you do not have the moral compass to guide your actions.



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by ExCommando

Originally posted by Pedro4077
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What has this got to do with my post? How is it relevant, at all, to the topic in hand?


Revenge Einstein.

Afghani's want revenge for murder of their children and occupation of their country.




That's a fair statement - but is this the right forum and topic to post it in?

Did you not see that I'm an ex-serving member, and it's a pretty raw topic at the moment.

Same as if you posted about a member of your family dying - and I then posted a reply saying they probably deserved it due to the way humanity has treated the world.

I wouldn't; because saying that implies that it's an individuals responsibility for the actions of the collective.

I pity you, and I feel sad for you, that you do not have the moral compass to guide your actions.


So are you fighting for my freedoms?

Get real - The military is for losers.

You cry for a few of your own, while pumping bullets into thousands of innocent men women and children.

Thanks for dragging humanity down into the gutter.



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 07:22 PM
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.........what you expect when you invade a country..kill its people..and rape its woman..a handshake?

Gillard will have a field day with this...



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by ExCommando
As part of our ongoing support for our "big stick" of defence - the US of A.

Apart from that, what's been the point of any conflict since WW2? To "suppress" communism, or the Taliban? To seek out WMD? To use the stick to push down or slap states whose policies we don't agree with?

I hate this loss of life.




Actually, the US is an equal opportunity suppressor. They have overthrown more than a few democratically elected governments and replaced them with sock puppet dictatorships. They are playing a global chess game. They want control of foreign assets and they want control of the victim nations politics.

When you start to pull the rags of propaganda from your eyes, the experience is enlightening. Simple fact is: The bad guys are ...... us (US Government). It's been that way for a very long time.



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 07:27 PM
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posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 07:30 PM
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The US Army has more committing suicide nearly than our soldiers being killed in battle.

They shouldn't be there. They are only protecting the supply of opium worldwide. Enjoy mourning the death of drug security. I won't be.

Sorry, but it's the truth.
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posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by ExCommando

Originally posted by rabzdguy
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.........what you expect when you invade a country..kill its people..and rape its woman..a handshake?

Gillard will have a field day with this...



I don't expect a reasonable response from someone such as yourself; your lack of grammatical and spelling skills speaks volumes.

Please disappear Mr. Troll.


This is an open thread and you cannot control free speech, it is on topic as people show you different viewpoints, some you may not like or agree with, so just grow up soldier boy.

Our troops should never been in this ‘war on terror’ to begin with when the biggest terrorists in the world is the US blubberment.

Australian soldiers have not done the right thing, along with the American war bots and you wonder why the Afghan people want them dead and out of their country?

I think you need to look at the other side, what people are telling you here….. It’s not ok to be there and we should not have been in the first place.

Sure, it’s terrible that 5 Aussies were killed, but compared to the amount of innocent civilians killed in this war – it does not even compare in the slightest, why cry for a soldiers death and not for the hundreds of thousands of civilians?

Point your misguided anger at the true warmongers if you must, but don’t blame the Afghan people after what has been done to them by the US.

So what if you have served, it does not give you special rights - I have friends that have and they deserve no special treatment from me or anyone else – if anything I question them more for serving as cannon fodder because the US blubberment said boo!

Mickierocksman



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 08:42 PM
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posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 12:46 AM
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5 Australian soldiers killed


Tough.
But my sympathies go out first to the Afghan men, women and children killed by foreign soldiers.

I have this wild theory that Afghans who are firing at foreign soldiers, are actually trying to say "We dont want you here. Get out!".



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 12:58 AM
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Send Gillard to the front line, your spineless witch.

@!$(%*!( You, how can you sleep at night when you let these deaths continue.

ALL TROOPS OUT OF AFGHAN!




posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 01:26 AM
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Sorry for your country's loss. Can't wait till we all leave that cesspool. I'm done with them.



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 01:37 AM
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Sorry for displaying my ignorance but I have an honest question.

5 soldiers dead and thats the worst day since Vietnam? What have you aussies been doing for the last 50 years? Patty Cake?

I mean no offense, but wtf?



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 01:45 AM
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Well, for a number of reasons

1. We dont invade nations to steal their property
2. We dont go around installing dictators where it suits our needs
3. We do assist the US and UK when required, but its usually whisper quiet, ultra effective spec ops type guys.

Basically, we arent going around urinating on hornets nests then declaring their defensive actions pre-emptive murder.

I remember speaking with my corporal who was one of a very small number of serviceman hit with an IED in Iraq.

He said generally the Australians can roll around Iraq with their flag displayed and very rarely encounter enemies. Not because they wernt there, but because the enemies tend not to care to much about the Aussies. Afterall, we arent bombing them day and night from our jets.

I dont think it has anything to do with skill, strength or management.. maybe a fair bit of luck and also comparing numbers of troops ratio style.

If you have 50,000 troops in combat you'll experience many multi-death dark days compared to a force who has 1000 troops engaged in support roles.






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