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Girl, 13, 'gang-raped by 20 men when she was just 11' sobs in court as she's shown video of horri

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posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 06:17 PM
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How could this video be played in front of people? Doesn't that account to cp?




posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by kimish
The rape charges are for statutory rape, meaning she was underaged.

She was eleven, not even a teenager. Which means even if it was "willing and fun", the men technically are pedophiles.


It wasn't the violent type of rape that we are all soo familiar with.

No. It was pedophiles taking advantage of a child over and over again.


That's probably why they showed the footage to her, because it didn't affect her emotionally, she wanted the sex and got it.

1. It did affect her emotionally. According to the article she was distraught seeing the footage.
2. What do you mean that's why they showed it? It was the prosecution that showed it not the defense.



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 06:21 PM
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No, I'm none of these things you're accusing me of. I'm a guy who's attempting to look at this logically.

That statement was in the middle of the article. I missed it. Makes me have to rethink all of this.

Thanks for pointing that out.



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 06:24 PM
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Logic doesn't involve stating one position. It involves looking at all of them, and the evidence for each. Just thought I should point that out.
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posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 06:25 PM
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^this. essentially, what is illegal does not necessarily equate to what is morally wrong. people seem to be confusing the two in this thread.


You're right. The Law is not moral science. It's shaped by our sense of morality and it is definitely imperfect.

I will view an adult having sex with an eleven year old child as immoral. You can view it otherwise. Perhaps we can both affect societies understanding with our differing views for the better.


to assume she was incapable because of this law alone is mindless. all I'm saying.

Clearly you did not understand my post at all.

Not sure how to paraphrase it for you. But no matter



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by Xtraeme
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Logic doesn't involve stating one position. It involves looking at all of them. Just thought I should point that out.


Just because I state one, doesn't mean I have only considered one.

I'm willing to be incorrect here.



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 06:26 PM
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I would think is. I really don't understand why the 13 year old victim needed to watch and relive the trauma.

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As far as punishment, I am just plain against the death penalty. I would have no problem though if we started contracting some of our max security prisons to the People's Republic of China. Ship them over to where their lives will truly be a hell, and they won't have access to the drugs and gangs in the prisons over here.
Plus they could do it a lot cheaper.



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 06:28 PM
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Fair enough. I've misread things in my time. So I wouldn't hold it against you.

Carry on.



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 06:29 PM
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They showed the footage for the jury. It's evidence, and it's an appeal to emotion. Simple as that.

Why is that not deemed as viewing child porn? Beats me!


Why did she need to watch it? Why couldn't she have been excused from the room



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 06:36 PM
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you know what happens to the younger children when the oldest child gets punished for their disobedience in the family.. ...??

the younger children take notice and straighten RIGHT UP..~!!!

I say firing squad, electric chair or hung in public till dead...

and where ..

was

the

parent(s)

all this time.. ?????



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 06:48 PM
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Quoting "Urantia1111"

Yeah but I guess I meant are any normal people (ATS members) suggesting that gays should be chemically castrated, beheaded and the like? And if the answer is "no", than could someone please explain the difference.


"Consenting adults"...what part of that do you not understand? I don not care what two adults decide to do...that is none of my concern...but children are incapable of making that decision.

IF this "child" went back, it was probably something akin to "Stockholm syndrome"...

Regardless...These animals should NOT be immediately killed...the suffering should last for many-many years...like this child is going to be traumatized and psychologically damaged for many,many years.
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posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 06:49 PM
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It's very simple...over thousands of years, WE as a SOCIETY, have set and continue to set the boundaries of what's right and WRONG.

Regardless of whether the UNDERAGE victim was willing or not, it's morally WRONG to have sex or even touch a child in an inappropriate way. Any justifying that you or others are applying, is just plain DANGEROUS and puts YOU (from your thought patterns), at serious risk, let alone any potential victims you may come in contact with, due to an unhealthy mindset.

Shifting the BLAME to the victim, is a classic scenario that most child abusers will use to JUSTIFY their actions.

Back to the offenders, I'm 100% sure that they all knew what they were doing was WRONG, but when you hear members of their local community trying to also shift the blame to the victim, you can see where they acquired their LOW morals!

Officials should be looking carefully at any of those people that made any claims, where they blamed the victim, as I'd almost guarantee that they uncover a serious amount of child sexual abuse, in their homes.



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 07:01 PM
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i didn't shift blame. said i would defer judgment until more information is available.

what society is this you're referring to that has been around for thousands of years? are you just lumping them all into one? well each society operates under different laws. the age of consent varies to a marked degree between some of them. also note that it wasn't until he 20th century that the aoc laws were changed and current age restandardized.

as for the rest....what?

honestly your line of thinking seems far more dangerous. thought police, much?
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posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by Pixiefyre
On a final note, I found it outrageous that some residents suggested that the girl was in part responsible for what was done to her because she wore makeup, looked older than she was or lacked parental supervision. Too bad the names of the residents who suggested this weren't published along with their suggestions. If they actually think that anything justifies raping an 11 year old let alone gang raping an 11 year old as they suggested, they have serious issues, such as some potentially using it to justify their own as yet undiscovered actions.



I live near this town. The same allegations were made against the girl when it first came out. Most of those making the allegations were parents of the guys involved. The girl did not have as much supervision as normal because her mother was very ill and of course her father was working. I'm not saying that's an excuse for the guys, just background info on the supervision comments. There were unavoidable reasons for the supervision issue.

I personally think there should be some very special punishment for rapists, of children or adults, something that can continue for a very long time without them dying.



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by Jeremiah65


Regardless...These animals should NOT be immediately killed...the suffering should last for many-many years...like this child is going to be traumatized and psychologically damaged for many,many years.
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I agree that rapists and child molesters must be removed quickly and decisively but if we begin torturing people we become monsters just like these people we are condemning.



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by snewpers
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They should all be shot in the face.

Pack of animals indeed.

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No, send them to Guantanamo Bay first, let all of them get raped up the poop shoot over several weeks by all the inmates, and THEN get the death penalty.

Send them to hell with a sore butt



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 07:58 PM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
Because according to the GOP platform, that girl shouldn't have a choice over getting rid of that child if she were pregnant.

Because traumatized 11 year old girls should be having babies and then be able to raise them without welfare assistance.


WHY in the world would you feel it is appropriate to bring politics into the tragedy that happened to this child?

Politics have nothing to do with the fact that these thugs raped a little girl! Did she get pregnant? NO! More than likely her little baby ovaries were not ready for that! To bring political issues into this is disgusting and wrong.

The thugs should be charged accordingly for what they did to this little girl. She will never EVER be able to forget what they did to her. Imagine YOURSELF in her position! Would you for one moment think about politics? Would your parents?

Apparenty you would rather bash and blame a political party rather than blame the thugs that harmed this little girl for life.

Shame on you.



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 08:14 PM
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lock these jerks up for life, they'll be getting plenty of payback in prison. death penalty is an easy way out for the sick #s out there, let these clowns get raped every day for the rest of their lives by the general prison population



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by CoolStoryMan
lock these jerks up for life, they'll be getting plenty of payback in prison. death penalty is an easy way out for the sick #s out there, let these clowns get raped every day for the rest of their lives by the general prison population


Fighting rape with rape? Way to take the high road. Once we agree that rape is detestable it must be taken "off the table" in all future discussions of acceptable responses to rape.



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 08:22 PM
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i would suggest a choke pear. one for both ends.




The choke pear (or pear of anguish) is the modern name for a type of instrument displayed in some museums, consisting of a metal body (usually pear-shaped) divided into spoon-like segments that could be spread apart by turning a screw. The museum descriptions and some recent sources assert that the devices were used either as a gag, to prevent people from speaking, or as an instrument of torture. The instrument was inserted into the victim's mouth, and then slowly spread apart as the screw was turned.


en.wikipedia.org...(torture)






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