Changed my mind. Romney is the right guy to vote for!!

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posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
The lesser of two evils?

pfft!

All government is evil, regardless of where you sit. The only correct approach is to keep that "evil" as small as possible.


That would be a good plan if there was actually a way to accomplish it. The "evil" you speak of runs through the very fabric that hold our societh together. Keep it small? It's huge already. Like a lawn overgrown with weeds you need weed killer aka total distruction of the fabric of our society. To rid ourselves of this problem we have change pretty much everything. I just dont see that happening.




posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 07:05 PM
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right...a venture-capitalist wall-street mogul, who never has walked a day of his life, in the shoes of joe average, as a governor he drove down the ranking of the state of mass. to 47th...just above louisiana with katrina, a guy that's was investigated by the SEC for fraud, a guy that has off-shore tax-dodging accounts, because he doesn't want to pay his fair share of taxes, only the little people do that...yeah right...what a great choice to represent the american people. the top 1% anyway.



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by jimmyx
reply to post by Mike.Ockizard
 


right...a venture-capitalist wall-street mogul, who never has walked a day of his life, in the shoes of joe average, as a governor he drove down the ranking of the state of mass. to 47th...just above louisiana with katrina, a guy that's was investigated by the SEC for fraud, a guy that has off-shore tax-dodging accounts, because he doesn't want to pay his fair share of taxes, only the little people do that...yeah right...what a great choice to represent the american people. the top 1% anyway.


yet another troll who doesnt readthe OP. Totally missed the point. Thats another symptom of our sick society. Short attention span. No time to absorb detail, just 10 second sound bites.



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 09:10 PM
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Then I guess they win because that's exactly what they want you to believe.

Either that or you're on the payroll.
edit on 30-8-2012 by IndieA because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 09:53 PM
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ATS is full of anti-gov't mumbo jumbo. Thing is like it or not, you have to deal with it...

Accept it people. I don't like the gov't either, but we HAVE to deal with their crap...Plain and simple and just imho.

-SAP-



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 10:35 PM
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The Nazi's did win. Germany surrendered.

And everything follows. You're saying more than most know.



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 11:06 PM
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Thatsa pretty shallow diagnosis. So the ephemeral "they" are paying me to convince people to vote for romney with the belief that he will sink the ship faster than obama will.

I'm not trying to change anyones mind, just open thier eyes to whats going on. Do you really think that some moron would cook up such an idea to get votes from people? You truly sound paranoid.

Instead of repeating what I eally think, you can read my other posts here. Tired of repeating to folks. Have a niceday and dont forget check your computer those programsthat are spying on you. (j/k)



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 11:12 PM
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All I have to say is that Ive worked for mormons.... theres no way in h@ll I want one running the country.

Sorry if that offends, but its true...



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 11:17 PM
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I disagree. You dont have to do any thing you dont want to do. But whathasthat got to do with anything?



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 11:18 PM
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no offense taken. I just prefer a quick death, not a slow painful one.



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 01:36 AM
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Originally posted by jazzguy
you really want to support this type of thing?



I'm Canadian and a Ron Paul supporter. I try to follow the complicated American voting enigma and I think I understand. I know Ron Paul was planning on using his delegates to vote for him correct? And the GOP changed some rules at the last minute to replace them? Is this the jist of what happened here?



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 01:49 AM
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It's funny. I don't believe in the two party system. I think they are both screwing the country over. I agree more with the political views of Paul and Johnson, but with the rigged system we have, neither has a chance in hell. The place where I differ from you is that, I think Obama is going to run us into the ground faster, so he is getting my vote.

Four years ago, I voted for McCain because he was the lesser of two evils. It was either an inexperienced socialist or a patriotic corporatist.

I don't want to see the country get worse, but either way it is. I know that the only chance in hell of even possibly getting back to a free prosperous people, is to see things get so bad, with even more rights and freedoms eroded that the people either rise up to reclaim their God given freedoms, OR they let the system collapse under its own debt and ineptitude. Obama is the only choice who can guarantee that. Romney will continue to push a corporate agenda, but he as a business man, will try to correct the debt and financial debacle. Obama isn't for freedom, or finance.



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 02:33 AM
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Rather than picking and choosing a candidate, don't you think it's better to simply get rid of the incumbent?
Correction, all incumbents!



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 03:08 AM
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For all of the back-and-forth people keep giving about Obama, we do need to accept that he actually did accomplish a good amount of things. When you consider he had the GOP, the Christians, and the racists of America all working against him, alongside the inane prattle about his birth certificate, being a socialist-Muslim, and being assumed to be the Antichrist... he didn't do a bad job. Here, let me remind everyone of some of what he did:

01. Saved the automotive industry. While everyone likes to complain about the "corporations owning America," I would love to hear anyone's reasonable plan for what we would have done if all American automakers collapsed. Additionally, he gave a nice tax write-off for people who buy hybrids which promote cleaner air and longer-lasting cars. Also, the "cash for clunkers" thing.

02. Afghanistan. He moved focus from Iraq to Afghanistan and even found and killed Osama Bin Laden. Then, he began bringing the troops home, and helped to calm Anti-American sentiments around the world. He effectively cleaned up the mess Bush Jr. started with his lies about "weapons of mass destruction."

03. Prioritizing. He made the environment a priority, and then began working on renewable energy opportunities, as well as bringing education to the forefront. There are now groups being funded to seek renewable energies and schools are being outfitted with better technologies to help encourage learning for grades K-12.

04. He began overhauling our military, introducing better armor, smarter technologies, removing unecessary expenditures, etc. All to make warfare safer for our soldiers. Additionally, he visited more foreign countries in his first six months than any other President, ever, in an attempt to calm Anti-American opinions, while also renewing dialogue with NATO.

05. Passed a $789 billion stimulus plan, and then created 2 million jobs (as of '09) with the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. In fact, the unemployment rate is actually decreasing now.

06. He passed Obamacare, and has removed some of the restrictions on stem cell research and other medical avenues which could help Americans and the world in the long run. Additionally, he cleaned up conditions at army hospitals, signed a closure of Guantanamo Bay, opened Veteran clinics, etc.

Now, whether you "agree" with his Democratic, liberal, or-whatever, stance: there's a lot of purely good things in there. Like overhauling the military to upgrade our supplies, calming the world's opinion of our country, pushing for new medical and energy reforms, trying to focus some on civil liberties (the Homosexual things recently), killing the head of a terrorist organization, etc.

He didn't do bad. He cleaned up, or is currently-cleaning up, a whole bunch of messes Bush made. I, personally, say let the man have another four years. Maybe if the government -I'm looking at you, Republicans- actually backed the guy the people elected to run the country, then he could achieve more.

~ Wandering Scribe



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 03:35 AM
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people say you have no right to complain if you didn't vote... well I don't get that logic...

my logic is... if you vote... you put the baffoon in office... therefore YOU have no right to complain...

I stayed home that day... so if anyone has any right to complain... it's ME!



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 07:34 AM
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Right on. Vote for who you think will sink US quicker. Thats what thiis post is all about. I would argue that if you give the GOP its way that they will cut all kinds of programs, save the govt some money and put tons of people out of jobs. They wont cut defense spending, may even increase it, kill medicair and make old folk pay through a voucher system. That will literally kill off the elderly who cant afford to buy insurance. This again will save money. They will take away more of our freedoms, beef up DHS and make this more of a police state. The rich will get richer and the middle class will shrink. At some point folks will get fed up, but not before the financial system crashes. It will be chaos but out of chaos comes order. This will be very painful but faster (a decade) rather than 15 or twenty if we keep electing a president we think will fix it.

I have no faith that any one person can turn things around. The miracle that will save us is if the people elect an overwhelming number of congressman, senators, state representatives AND a president that will take back govt from the corporations and change the current tone in govt. Slim chance at best IMO.



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 07:41 AM
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I do. Its just that I've lost hope that it will happen in time. That is exactly the big first step but in order for that to happen, the people in this country will need to WAKE UP. In order to wake them up, something very very very bad will have to happen or the govt will have to take away some of the crap/material things they hold so dear. It appears the govt can steal our freedom and get away with it. I bet if they took everyones money, junk food (or food in general), liquor,porn or shiny new gadget that there will be an uprising. Sad but true.

The financial collapse will trigger this. The GOP will crush the financial system before the liberals will. Any effort to reverse the trend with the deficit is mathematically impossible. very soon the interest on the debt will exceed GOP. Hang on. its gonna get rough.



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 07:55 AM
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I agree that he did good things. The problem is that the odds are stacked against him. That and he tried the "why cant we all just get along" approach and corporate monney came rolling in for those that oppose him. He found out very quickly that he needs that corporate money. At first he did not give rich people the time of day on the principle that big money should'nt be in politics. Well that didnt work and the public money wasnt enough. Now hes shaking hands with the fat cats and begging for money.

Then theres the travesty in Iraq. A real leader would have opened an investigation into the criminal behavior of the Bush administration. Last numbers I heard that died as a result was around 500,000. Nobody is being brought to justice.

All Obama accomplished was putting off the inevitable. The infection that was killing us was given just enough medicine to keep us alive. Now we are in worse shape, the GOP shows no sign of letting any good ideas pass and there is no possibilty of resolving the financial mess. Then theres our freedom. Obama has lueft the GOP rules in place (Patriot Act, DHS) and allowed people to be picked up and dissapear. People who apparently are not a threat BTW. A real leader would have at least tried to reverse the patriot act and not allowed laws to stay in effect that take away our freedom to express ourself. I think RP would have tried to do more but both the GOP and the liberals wouldnt have let him.

It's a lose lose IMO.



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by MikhailBakunin
people say you have no right to complain if you didn't vote... well I don't get that logic...

my logic is... if you vote... you put the baffoon in office... therefore YOU have no right to complain...

I stayed home that day... so if anyone has any right to complain... it's ME!


In my mind not voting is like a vote for Romney. In a way this is like what I'm doing. Letting the corporations win. Right now the numbers are still on Obamas side though so I want to make sure Romney gets a vote to counter the vote that RP or Obama might have received. He'll need all the help he can get (Romney) so he can crush the middle class and make the rich richer. This will be a quicker death for our system. Then out of the ashes there will be a new beginning. A chance to do it right. I hope we make the right decisions...



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 08:04 AM
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So why again are you going to vote for Mitt. Why not give your vote to Gary Johnson so it will be counted. The vote for candidates are manipulated so much that the end it just a random number not an actual tally of votes.






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