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Paul Ryan's RNC Speech "Stunning for its Dishonesty," "Full of "Brazen Lies"

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posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo5

Both Obama and Romney can promise a quick recovery...and both would be full of crap.


I totally agree.


On the Obama course we will have a slow recovery, cuz we took a big ...BIG...effen hit. But a recovery all the same.


I'm not seeing enough of a recovery from Obama and I think he opened up a new bleeding wound with Obamacare.


On a Romney course we would have a brief, less than a year, bump up...due to Wall Street being "unshackled" and back to thier "inventive" ways... followed by a second crisis that will come more quickly than the first in 2 to 3 years.


I don't think Wall Street's going to get a shot at any chances from anyone. I think we're too close to another stock market crash and financial crisis to even consider it right now.


Those are the choices on the economic front to me...I follow the numbers, I invest, I own two small businesses, employ over a dozen folks...am in the bracket that will take a hit when the Bush era tax cuts for the "wealthy" expire...and I support Obama as the best choice...why?? Cuz I THINK and I think long term. It is what allowed me to survive the near economic collapse.


Except Obama's not a long term planner or thinker, he's a dreamer that doesn't know how to lead the way. He's just not LEADER material. He lets everyone else do his thinking for him.

I can't remember if it was Obama's last state of the union address or the one before it, but if I heard Obama say, "I'm not sure how, but we're going to make it happen" one more time, I was going to puke.


to the economy...Obama is milk...romney is tequilla...We are still recovering from our last binge and 'hair of the dog" aka Bush Policies...is not the answer...it will feel good briefly followed by another larger hang-over.


Obama is inexperienced....Romney is experienced. We're not going to get past stagnation until we find a LEADER with leadership experience. Not someone who wants to leave town every time he gets frustrated with the House.




posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 02:36 PM
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Truth be told, Obama has - speed dialed - President Clinton - too often.

Obama is incompetent.

Remember when Clinton showed back up at the White House?


The time has come for Obama to go back to Chicago.



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by Deetermined

Obama is inexperienced....Romney is experienced. We're not going to get past stagnation until we find a LEADER with leadership experience. Not someone who wants to leave town every time he gets frustrated with the House.


"Experienced"..."Leader"

Great political campaign words since the begining of time. I imagine some caveman making his case before the tribe to it's new chief, thumping his chest and talking about "experience" and "leadership"

People too often confuse wealth for character in this country. Romney has not built anything, he has cleverly exploited companies, people and opportunities.

A government is not a business and even as a business what he did was participate in the pioneering of "vulture" capitalism"

There is nothing in his "experience" that would not corrode the character of the nation.

His character is greed and ambition.


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posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by Deetermined

Obama is inexperienced....Romney is experienced. We're not going to get past stagnation until we find a LEADER with leadership experience. Not someone who wants to leave town every time he gets frustrated with the House.


"Experienced"..."Leader"

Great political campaign words since the begining of time. I imagine some caveman making his case before the tribe to it's chief, thumping his chest and talking about "experience" and "leadership"

People too often confuse wealth for character in this country. Romney has not built anything, he has cleverly exploited companies, people and opportunities.

A government is not a business and even as a business what he did was participate in the pioneering of "vulture" capitalism"

There is nothing in his "experience" that would not corrode the character of the nation.

His character is greed and ambition.


Isn't it odd that you fail to brag about Obama.

It's always - just trash Romney - and hope for the best.



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 03:28 PM
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The bottom line is that he knows how a business works and how to manage money.

You don't get to be a successful consultant by giving bad advice or by not knowing the difference between what works and what fails.



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Indigo5
 


The bottom line is that he knows how a business works and how to manage money.

You don't get to be a successful consultant by giving bad advice or by not knowing the difference between what works and what fails.


And that's exactly why President Mitt Romney will get hired November 6, 2012.


Obama will get fired.

Obama is completely out of ideas and has been reduced to a campaign of fear & division.



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Indigo5
 


The bottom line is that he knows how a business works and how to manage money.

You don't get to be a successful consultant by giving bad advice or by not knowing the difference between what works and what fails.


Do you know the difference between a business and a government?

Hint...what is the goal of a business...it's driving force?

Goal of a business? Goal of our Government?

Revenues? In a business vs. governemnt?
Product? Business vs. Government?
Expenses? Business vs. Government?

Maximize revenues, minimize expenses...Gov. vs. Business?

Who is a business's competitors and how does that effect costs, revenues and profits?

Who are a governments competitors?
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posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 04:24 PM
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You obviously don't understand, and I don't have the time or patience to walk you through it.
Seriously it's obvious what the deception is. It's being reported by many outlets, not just "biased liberal" ones.



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Deetermined
 


You obviously don't understand, and I don't have the time or patience to walk you through it.
Seriously it's obvious what the deception is. It's being reported by many outlets, not just "biased liberal" ones.


The truth is, you don't have an explanation.

Yes, Ryan was part of a committee to come up with a fiscal reform plan made up of 9 Democrats and 9 Republicans. A combined plan was put together. Obama never gave support for the plan one way or the other. Ryan couldn't support the entire plan because it included advancing Obamacare as part of the Democrats contribution. The plan was voted on. It got 11 ayes and 7 nayes.

Obama never contributed. Obama never came up with his own debt reduction plan either. Obama did nothing. He didn't support the commission and he didn't come up with his own plan.

Regardless of whether the report was voted down, regardless of the fact that Ryan was part of the committee, who cares that he referred to the committee as "them", his point was OBAMA PROMISED THAT FISCAL REFORM WAS A TOP PRIORITY, PUT A COMMITTEE TOGETHER, STRESSED THE IMPORTANCE OF COMING UP WITH A REFORM PLAN FAST AND WALKED COMPLETELY AWAY FROM IT WITHOUT ANY INPUT OF HIS OWN! OBAMA DID NOTHING!

At least we've seen a plan come out of Ryan. It may not have been from that particular committee group, but at least he's offered up something. That's more than Obama.
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posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 04:52 PM
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Please, Indigo! Please tell me the differences in how to track income and spending from a business versus a government. Is there some kind of trick in one that the other doesn't have in recognizing how much you bring in and how much you spend and how to plan and budget? Personally, I always thought it was common sense, but obviously, Obama doesn't have any of that either.

Edit Add: I may be a Republican, but it shouldn't take a genius to figure out that there's all kinds of waste and crooked crap going on in the Department of Homeland Security. Cut back! Once you cut back in that area alone, I bet the entire DOD becomes more efficient physically, economically, along with more efficient communications.
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posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by jimmyfromreality
reply to post by MrXYZ
 


Reason # 1,,,,he's a communist

" # 2,,,he's a liar

" # 3,,,he's hidden ALL of his past at the peoples expense,,

by the way,,, I could give you a list a mile long, but I won't get into his SS # ???, or his forged draft card ???,,,or his BC,,,??? or his communist mentor,,, or his passport,,,or his muslim ties,,,

I'll rest now,,,,,,,,,,,


Do you actually know anything about Communism? Apparently you don't, or you wouldn't make such an idiotic statement.
Who is his "communist mentor?"
What are his alleged Muslim ties?
What is the supposed issue with his Social Security number?
How is he an "illegal president," as you said earlier?

I would like an explanation of these statements....
Like i said before, there are LEGITIMATE reasons to criticize Obama. Depending upon idiotic nonsense like this is just absurd.



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by jimmyfromreality
Check out the movie 2016 also,,,,,,,,,,,,I can't believe you've been sound asleep for 4 years,,,,,lol,,,I'm out,,


Are you f'ing serious? That movie is a JOKE. It's just a bunch of idiotic assumptions and stupid slander with no basis in reality. Even the Obama-haters i know who have seen it said it's complete garbage.

Oh, Obama's dad, who he met ONE TIME when he was 10 years old, may have written a paper 50 years ago stating that America's foreign policy is too aggressive! Therefore, Obama MUST be trying to take down the US from the inside!!!!
Oh, some dude from Hawaii told me Hawaiians want to rebel against the lower 48 states! It must be true, and it must somehow mean that Obama hates America!!!

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posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
At least we've seen a plan come out of Ryan. It may not have been from that particular committee group, but at least he's offered up something. That's more than Obama.
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Have you actually looked at his plan? I could write an entire essay on the problems with Ryan's budget plan, which are legion. Would you like me to explain them to you???



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by burntheships

Originally posted by Maroboduus
No matter what your political leanings, we should all be able to agree that his RNC speech was ridiculous. If we're going to attack Obama for a completely out-of-context quote ("you didn't build that"), then what about the numerous outright falsehoods that Ryan resorted to?


Personally, I thought it was superb!

And Obama did not build it, nor did his cronies....
and he has no place telling me I did not build something that I did.

He could have phrased his comments differently when he said "you did'nt build that"...
but chose those words carefully. Remember, this is the professional communicator,
right? The one who gets on Reddit and does the AMA gig. We are all laughing at
that one. Just in time for the RNC.


Progressives and the slippery slope to Socialism and Communism,
its so obvious, like trying to hide a cow in a backyard.
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This is so stupid for so many reasons that i initially assumed you were being facetious. Then, sadly, i realized you truly are that ignorant.
I could take a small phrase from ANY speech completely out of context and twist it around to attack the speaker. The fact that you are honestly still using "you didn't build that" out of context to attack Obama is completely absurd. Especially considering that Ryan just gave a speech that was legitimately offensive for its dishonesty, and did not have to be taken out of context in order for that to be the case.


I think i should just avoid political threads on here from now on. The sheer amount of stupidity, ignorance, and misinformation is truly overwhelming. Some of the responses in this thread are destroying what little hope i had left for humanity. Breathtakingly stupid....
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posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 08:45 PM
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You're right. You're better off in another thread where you don't have to throw out insults in order to make a point when there isn't anything of any substance for you to share. Obama's life story isn't it?

I just want to mention the 2016 movie. I haven't seen it, but I'm interested in hearing about it. I think D'Souza was absolutely right based on an article I read about him stating that Obama's problem is a psychological one. I truly believe that Obama feels so incredibly rejected by his father that he'll spend the rest of his life trying to push his father's agenda thinking that it will make up for the lack of acceptance he received while his father was alive. It might sound crazy, because it is. Obama has emotional and psychological scars that run so deep, he'll never get past them.

Was any of that brought up in the movie?



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 08:59 PM
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Just feels weird how the Republican party chooses lies and misinformation EVERY time. What is their problem with truth? Do they really feel they have no political ground to stand on? It can only be spin? No real arguments to be made? It's just bizarre how much they rely on lies and misinformation.



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 09:09 PM
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I can tell you are opposed to stupidity because of your frequent, harsh, and acidic, criticisms of anything that appears to you to be stupid. Forgive me for suggesting that not everything you think is stupid, is, actually, stupid.

Do you actually know anything about Communism? Apparently you don't, or you wouldn't make such an idiotic statement.
Who is his "communist mentor?"
What are his alleged Muslim ties?
What is the supposed issue with his Social Security number?
How is he an "illegal president," as you said earlier?
. . .
Depending upon idiotic nonsense like this is just absurd.

As a youngster, his mentor is widely believed to be Frank Marshall Davis, followed by a professor or two, Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, and others. "Muslim ties" is a little vague, but I think you could easily find, even on ATS a dozen examples of his connection to, love of, or support of, Islam, and the Muslim Brotherhood. Social Security number? The most common question concerns getting it issued by a state he had no connection with, and E-Verify's inability to show that that number belongs to a legal resident.

All of these problems may be resolved, but to say they are stupid, absurd, idiotic, nonsense is a serious exaggeration.

Are you f'ing serious? That movie is a JOKE. It's just a bunch of idiotic assumptions and stupid slander with no basis in reality. Even the Obama-haters i know who have seen it said it's complete garbage.
That's a lot of emotion, is it well placed? Many people don't think so, It's headed to be the #1 documentary of the year.

The movie undeniably links Obama to persons of suspicious-interest due to their past actions and statements, such as former radical activist and Chicago educator Bill Ayers. While the media and blinded-liberals cast such facts aside, the movie does not. No, this portion of the movie is not propaganda – it is the display of factual information about relationships between people that cannot be denied. Yet, the “left” does deny the facts that are right in front of them.
The closing paragraph in a review in CBS Local in Chicago. chicago.cbslocal.com...
Again, you may disagree with the film, but your statements about it seem to be a one-sided exaggeration.

Have you actually looked at his plan? I could write an entire essay on the problems with Ryan's budget plan, which are legion. Would you like me to explain them to you???
As has been pointed out, there is no Obama plan. As for Ryan's plan, recall what Erskine Bowles of the president's Simpson-Bowles debt reduction commission said:

"I'm telling you, this guy is amazing. I always thought I was OK with arithmetic. This guy can run circles around me," Bowles tells a class of students at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

"He is honest, he is straightforward, he is sincere. And the budget he came forward with is just like Paul Ryan. It is a sensible, straightforward, honest, serious budget and it cut the budget deficit just like we did by four trillion dollars."
news.yahoo.com...

As William F. Buckley said:

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.



I think i should just avoid political threads on here from now on. The sheer amount of stupidity, ignorance, and misinformation is truly overwhelming. Some of the responses in this thread are destroying what little hope i had left for humanity. Breathtakingly stupid....
I can't tell you what to do, of course, but the suggestion you're making to yourself sounds like a good one. You should follow it.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 12:00 AM
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Yeah, obviously i get a little worked up...but that's because people completely disregard real facts and issues to concentrate on fictitious nonsense.
Don't like Obama? Cool, me neither. But i don't like him because he appointed Geithner to the Treasury, and because of the increased drone strikes, and the bank bailouts, and so on and so on....you know, actual things that really happened. To continually focus on stuff like his birth certificate instead of the actual problems with his presidency just strikes me as completely ludicrous and counter-productive.

You have to understand...i live in a very rural, redneck, racist area, so i hear this stuff CONSTANTLY. EVERY SINGLE DAY, for the ast 4 years. It's extremely tiresome, i no longer have any patience for it. Everybody here hates Obama, but they all hate him because he's black and think he's a Muslim. It's just pointless.
Focus on actual issues, there is no need to create false problems like the "birther" debate. Do you not think that the Republican party has probably exhausted every possible resource in an attempt to prove he isn't who he claims to be? And obviously they couldn't find anything.
It just doesn't do any good or serve any purpose to ignore the actual problems with his presidency in favor of nonsense like this.


Originally posted by Deetermined
You're right. You're better off in another thread where you don't have to throw out insults in order to make a point when there isn't anything of any substance for you to share.

Um, nothing of substance for me to share? You mean other than the creation of the thread, and the initial post which outlined the issue at hand?

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posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 12:06 AM
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Originally posted by charles1952
"He is honest, he is straightforward, he is sincere. And the budget he came forward with is just like Paul Ryan. It is a sensible, straightforward, honest, serious budget and it cut the budget deficit just like we did by four trillion dollars."
news.yahoo.com...

Cool. I can quote dozens of prominent economists who completely disagree and think his budget plan is, at best, utter nonsense.
There is no credible math to support it. It resembles the supply-side economics that Reagan attempted in 1980; the result of that was such a huge increase in the deficit that Reagan had to turn around and implement one of the largest tax increases in American history.
It would greatly reduce taxes on the rich while implementing a large tax increase on the poor and middle class. It would leave tens of millions of people without health insurance. It decimates Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. It cuts spending on “education, exployment, training, and social services” by 33 percent; cuts spending on transportation (highways, air-traffic control, etc) by 25%; cuts spending on “general science and basic technology” by almost 10%. And even with all of those cuts, there is no credible math to support the fact that it would cut the deficit nearly as much as he claims.
And he worships Ayn Rand. Ayn Rand was a scumbag.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 01:36 AM
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Dear Maroboduus,

Welcome back! Your response to me was only about the budget plan, but mind if I make a broader point? That is that the positions mentioned by posters have the support of many people, maybe a majority, maybe 15%, I don't know. But I'm not sure the best approach is to dismiss them as unworthy of even being considered. My own personal preference is to spot the major flaws and post them, but my approach doesn't fit everybody. (I think it makes me kind of boring, but, oh well)

Very briefly, on the budget. So, there are prominent economists who like it, and prominent economists who don't. (I'm not sure, but I suppose Ezra Klein, and Paul Krugman are among the antis.) But that only shows that it is a politically heated issue on which people disagree.


It would greatly reduce taxes on the rich while implementing a large tax increase on the poor and middle class.
"Greatly" and "large" are often opinion words. There isn't any certainity yet as all the details haven't been worked out and negotiated.

It would leave tens of millions of people without health insurance.
So does Obamacare.

It decimates Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.
The plan is for $716 Billion over 10 years from Medicare, or roughly $72 Billion a year. Medicare's budget was $835 Billion last year and is growing rapidly. It won't be even a 10% cut. Besides, that's the same amount that Obama wants to take out of it.

It cuts spending on “education, exployment, training, and social services” by 33 percent; cuts spending on transportation (highways, air-traffic control, etc) by 25%; cuts spending on “general science and basic technology” by almost 10%
I'll accept those numbers, but, so? Don't we have to have cuts somewhere? Ryan might like those cuts, other people might like different cuts. It's worth discussing.

And even with all of those cuts, there is no credible math to support the fact that it would cut the deficit nearly as much as he claims.
"No credible math? I guess that depends on "credible" to whom. But, frankly, I haven't gone into that sub-issue yet as I should. I'd leave it as a question mark for now.

And he worships Ayn Rand. Ayn Rand was a scumbag.
Sorry, this one's just wrong.
www.nationalreview.com...

“I, like millions of young people in America, read Rand’s novels when I was young. I enjoyed them,” Ryan says. “They spurred an interest in economics, in the Chicago School and Milton Friedman,” a subject he eventually studied as an undergraduate at Miami University in Ohio. “But it’s a big stretch to suggest that a person is therefore an Objectivist.”

“I reject her philosophy,” Ryan says firmly. “It’s an atheist philosophy. It reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview. If somebody is going to try to paste a person’s view on epistemology to me, then give me Thomas Aquinas,” who believed that man needs divine help in the pursuit of knowledge. “Don’t give me Ayn Rand,” he says.


With respect,
Charles1952




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