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Paul Ryan's RNC Speech "Stunning for its Dishonesty," "Full of "Brazen Lies"

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posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 02:53 PM
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I'm a little disappointed in the RNC for not focusing more on unemployment numbers considering that we've averaged 141,000+ being laid off every month for the last 30 months in a row.

I love how July's employment situation report showed an increase of 163,000 jobs, but turned around in the same report stating that June's jobs were revised down from 80,000 to 64,000. We're supposed to believe that July numbers increased from June by almost 100,000 jobs? Please!

I guess they had to prepare for July's mass layoff report showing 134,000+ jobs lost when it came out last week.
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posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
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I thought about it, unfortunately, I'm afraid that switching would actually cost me more than the most recent increase. I got a pretty sweet deal when I signed up 10 years ago and I think the length of time I've invested in this policy is still keeping my premium lower than if I started all over again.


Which is why the Parasites need to go. Being an English expat I find the idea of an insurance company making money out of any illness someone has disgusting.


My wife starts Chemo next week. I'm just waiting for United Healthcare to cut her off after the first treatment.



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 03:00 PM
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So I guess you'd rather have 4 more years of lies from an illegal pres. and another step closer to communism??

Liberalism is a mental defect and ,,,,,,,,,,,,well you know,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
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Blue Cross Blue Shield / Missouri

It was an individual policy.


Still searching and can find no news of a 48% rate hike, despite the HCR prohibition on rate hikes above 10%...did find this though..

Missouri health insurers to pay rebates
www.stltoday.com...


Some of Missouri’s largest insurance companies are expected to refund nearly $65 million to consumers this year because they failed to meet efficiency standards under the new health reform law, consumer and health advocates say.


When you get your refund check for being overcharged...be sure to tear it up while muttering about socialism. That insurance company swindled you out of your money fair and square!
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posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by jimmyfromreality
So I guess you'd rather have 4 more years of lies from an illegal pres. and another step closer to communism??

Liberalism is a mental defect and ,,,,,,,,,,,,well you know,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


^^^ When I said the GOP needs to quit spreading nonsense like the stuff quoted above I actually meant it.

They don't realize how many people they alienate by promoting factually incorrect stuff like that



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 03:06 PM
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I'm so sorry to hear about that!

I've had United Healthcare before and couldn't stand them. If my memory serves me correctly, I think I read that United Healthcare is still making the most profits out of all the insurance companies.

What really ticked me off about the increase on the individual policy I have for my daughter is that the only time she went to the doctor last year was to have a required immunization booster shot. A part of me wonders if it has to do with the fact that my child is still a minor. If I'm not mistaken, I think Blue Cross Blue Shield did away with all future individual plans for children to avoid dealing with any "pre-existing conditions" that may drag on for a lifetime.
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posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 03:14 PM
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No offense...but still not buying a 48% rate increase in your health insurance premiums this year...I find zilch...plus anyone that wants to increase the rate has to apply to do so...I don't even see Missouri on this list of Insurance companies even asking to hike the rate???



Health insurance rate hikes in nine states deemed excessive by HHS

Secretary Sebelius calls on insurance companies to drop unreasonable rate hikes

Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Kathleen Sebelius announced today that health insurance premium increases in nine states have been deemed “unreasonable” under the rate review authority granted by the Affordable Care Act.

"Thanks to the Affordable Care Act consumers are no longer in the dark about their health insurance premiums," said Secretary Sebelius. "Now, insurance companies are required to justify rate increases of 10 percent or higher. It’s time for these companies to immediately rescind these unreasonable rate hikes, issue refunds to consumers or publicly explain their refusal to do so."

www.hhs.gov...



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 03:15 PM
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I'll take a few "incorrect factual stuff"' statements rather than 4 more disgusting years of "O" the liar in chief,,,,

November 6th will be a great day for America,,,,,,,,,,



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
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Blue Cross Blue Shield / Missouri

It was an individual policy.


So I finally tracked down the site I was looking for. It tracks ALL rate increases above 10% as required for the HCR reform law..they must file with the Department of Health and Human Services and request the increase.

Only one BC/BS insurance provider in Missouri and....




Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Kansas Cit Rate Review in Missouri

Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Kansas Cit has not proposed a rate increase of 10% or more since September 1, 2011. Check back regularly for updates.


You can look it up yourself here...

companyprofiles.healthcare.gov...

So either your BC/BS broke the law or you "slightly inflated" your 48% increase claim????



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by jimmyfromreality
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I'll take a few "incorrect factual stuff"' statements rather than 4 more disgusting years of "O" the liar in chief,,,,

November 6th will be a great day for America,,,,,,,,,,


It's not just a few factually incorrect statements...or lies as you might call them too


Just out of interest, list the 3 main reasons why you hate Obama...



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 03:21 PM
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I really don't want to derail the thread over healthcare (I can and do rant for hours on it).

My 11 year old niece just got her shots too. Her grandparents paid for them because the insurance company stops paying for them when the child turns 6. Which obviously is the start of school age.


I hope if Obama gets in again I hope he drags the USA kicking and screaming into the 21st century.

Rant over.


p.s. Thank you for your kind words.
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posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 03:25 PM
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Where did you find the statement about BCBS not having increases over 10% since September 2011? I couldn't find it. I need to check to see if this included individual policies.

As for your link, I did see where if the insurer raises the premium more than 10% they have to send you a letter of notification beforehand and I did receive one.



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 03:32 PM
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Reason # 1,,,,he's a communist

" # 2,,,he's a liar

" # 3,,,he's hidden ALL of his past at the peoples expense,,

by the way,,, I could give you a list a mile long, but I won't get into his SS # ???, or his forged draft card ???,,,or his BC,,,??? or his communist mentor,,, or his passport,,,or his muslim ties,,,

I'll rest now,,,,,,,,,,,



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 03:36 PM
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Oh boy, someone using a link from the Heritage Foundation, which was proudly vetted by Charles and David Koch.

Yeah, that's not biased either...



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 03:37 PM
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Deny Ignorance, pal.

This kind of ignorant ranting is what ATS is supposed to be against.



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
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Where did you find the statement about BCBS not having increases over 10% since September 2011? I couldn't find it. I need to check to see if this included individual policies.

As for your link, I did see where if the insurer raises the premium more than 10% they have to send you a letter of notification beforehand and I did receive one.


HERE is a list of all insurance companies in MO that requested rate increases above 10% in 2012...BC/BS isn't on it..

companyprofiles.healthcare.gov...

And yes they have to send you a letter, but before that they have to GET APPROVAL from the DHHS before any increase exceeding 10%.

Here is the LINK

HERE is what it says




Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Kansas Cit Rate Review in Missouri

Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Kansas Cit has not proposed a rate increase of 10% or more since September 1, 2011. Check back regularly for updates.




Either BC/BS broke the law if they jacked the premium by 48%....38% more than federally allowed...or you were confused on the amount it increased.


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posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 03:45 PM
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# 1,,,,he's a communist


No he's not. Here's what communism is, you don't seem to get what it means: Link




# 2,,,he's a liar


As is everyone else on this planet...could you be a bit more specific?





# 3,,,he's hidden ALL of his past at the peoples expense


What exactly? The birth certificate has been presented, even the long form that most presidents before him never even released. He also released more tax returns than Romney...something EVERY president did by the way.




by the way,,, I could give you a list a mile long, but I won't get into his SS # ???, or his forged draft card ???,,,or his BC,,,??? or his communist mentor,,, or his passport,,,or his muslim ties,,,

I'll rest now,,,,,,,,,,,


And yet you haven't presented a shred of evidence to support those accusations...some of which aren't even bad in the first place.

I don't think you should rest, you should go read some properly sourced information


The funny thing is, there's tons of bad stuff you can accuse Obama of being responsible for. I think he's the lesser evil versus Romney, but that doesn't mean I think he's an angel. Here's what you could have listed to make sure people take you seriously instead of simply repeating empty talking points that have ZERO facts behind them:

1) Indefinite detention.
2) Signature strikes against US citizens.
3) Not closing Gitmo.
4) Supporting warrantless spying by the government.
5) Not making sure the financial industry can screw us all over again in the future...more regulation. He basically allowed Dodd-Frank to be watered down to the point where it isn't effective anymore, and continued to support bailouts engineered by en ex-Goldman employ FOR Godlman & Co.

Those are real accusations that are supported by FACTS!

Why would I still support Obama over Romney? Because Romney would have done the EXACT SAME THING and then some. If it were up to him we'd be invading Iran YESTERDAY. The financial regulation would be even less regulated than it already is. Everyone's taxes but those making more than 200k would go up. Women would lose rights. Equal pay would no longer be guaranteed.

In short, as sad as it is, Obama ftw in this case.

Until money is removed from politics (fat chance, lol), nothing will ever change and at best people will get a chance to vote for the "lesser evil"



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 03:49 PM
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I still don't get why people sign up here if they're just going to spout crap like that.

They've already made it known that they don't intend to have an open discussion about anything and that they just want to spread what they've learned from WND, Fox, etc.



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by jimmyfromreality
reply to post by MrXYZ
 


Reason # 1,,,,he's a communist

" # 2,,,he's a liar

" # 3,,,he's hidden ALL of his past at the peoples expense,,

by the way,,, I could give you a list a mile long, but I won't get into his SS # ???, or his forged draft card ???,,,or his BC,,,??? or his communist mentor,,, or his passport,,,or his muslim ties,,,

I'll rest now,,,,,,,,,,,


You know I just realized that I wish racism was more socially acceptable in the USA...it would save the mentally exhausting stream of desperate debunked BS and folks could just say...He's black and I don't like it.

They wouldn't have to pretend that he is from Kenya or a secret Muslim.
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posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 04:00 PM
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Spend a little time at 'The Obama File" click on the "News" link,,,We can continue this till the election is over and I'm celebrating O's defeat,,,,,,,,,,

JUST THE FACTS,,,,,,,,Hope you live long enough to see just who this guy really is,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

He's got to go,,,,,,,,,

Check out the movie 2016 also,,,,,,,,,,,,I can't believe you've been sound asleep for 4 years,,,,,lol,,,I'm out,,




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