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Paul Ryan's RNC Speech "Stunning for its Dishonesty," "Full of "Brazen Lies"

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posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 01:40 AM
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I don't intend for this to be a generic left vs. right debate like so many other threads on here. This is about Paul Ryan. No matter what your political leanings, we should all be able to agree that his RNC speech was ridiculous. If we're going to attack Obama for a completely out-of-context quote ("you didn't build that"), then what about the numerous outright falsehoods that Ryan resorted to? This article provides a quick outline of a few his choice lies:

www.salon.com...

(Wonder how many times an article from Salon has been posted on here, haha. I can't imagine very many.)

I know this is basically par for the course in politics these days, but some of Ryan's claims in his RNC speech seemed especially brazen. I wasn't even planning on voting this election, because i hate both candidates....until Ryan was chosen as Romney's VP. Now i feel as if i have no choice. Something about this guy just honestly fills me with hatred. He is the absolute worst (imho).
Among the highlights:




accused President Obama of “raiding” Medicare by taking the exact same $716 billion that Ryan and the House GOP notoriously voted to slash.




He attacked Obama for failing to keep open a Janesville GM plant that closed under Bush in 2008.





“College grads shouldn’t have to live out their 20s in childhood bedrooms, staring up at fading Obama posters.” He didn’t mention that he opposed legislation to keep student loan rates from doubling.


EDIT: i meant to put this in the 2012 election forum. I have no idea why the hell i put it here. Can a kindly mod please move it for me???

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posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 02:11 AM
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Paul Ryan is really a disgrace......I don't see how anyone can even like him.


His most brazen lie accused President Obama of “raiding” Medicare by taking the exact same $716 billion that Ryan and the House GOP notoriously voted to slash. It was stunning.


This is the guy who wants to destroy medicare and PRIVATIZE it, and he claims Obama stole 700 billion..which is a complete lie.

www.huffingtonpost.com...


He blamed Obama for a deficit mostly created by programs he himself voted for – from two wars, tax cuts, new Medicare benefits and TARP.


LOL


College grads shouldn’t have to live out their 20s in childhood bedrooms, staring up at fading Obama posters.” He didn’t mention that he opposed legislation to keep student loan rates from doubling.


So true....do GOPers not keep up with politics or what?

www.salon.com...



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 02:31 AM
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I wonder if "We the people" are such liars, because your representatives sure are.



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 03:57 AM
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Oh gee, I'd never expect Salon.com to be a biased report.
And just a hint, it's not the first time Ryan claimed Obamacare raids Medicare to pay for it's programs.
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posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 06:55 AM
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It's the theme of the GOP campaign this year. Lie through your teeth and say, "Just Trust Me"!


If they campaigned on the truth, they'd be scaring their voters away.



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by Maroboduus

www.salon.com...

(Wonder how many times an article from Salon has been posted on here, haha. I can't imagine very many.)



Don't let that discourage you. Its important to get all the info available for people to make an informed decision.

I do check a few liberal sources every once and a while to see how the other side sees things. A lot of times, the partisanship and spin are really easy to detect. Sometimes though, I see that they make some really good points that I would have never heard from my usual news sources.

Then I go to my usual conservative sites and wonder; are the sites I know and trust just as partisan and dishonest?

Just because the news source isn't widely quoted here on ATS shouldn't discourage you from using it. In fact, I would say it is more important to expose people to new news sources.



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Oh gee, I'd never expect Salon.com to be a biased report.
And just a hint, it's not the first time Ryan claimed Obamacare raids Medicare to pay for it's programs.
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Even Fox is calling out Ryan on his lies during the speech.

I honestly think the GOP does not want to win the presidency. They are doing everything they can to put people off. I think they want Obama to get a second term. Why - I'm not sure, unless they think the economic problems can't be fixed, and they want to be able to keep blaming Obama for it, instead of having to take the blame themselves.



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by kaylaluv
I honestly think the GOP does not want to win the presidency. They are doing everything they can to put people off. I think they want Obama to get a second term. Why - I'm not sure, unless they think the economic problems can't be fixed, and they want to be able to keep blaming Obama for it, instead of having to take the blame themselves.


My new theory is that they thought Romney would be a good candidate in the beginning and when he started to fail, they thought Paul Ryan would be their "game changer" and maybe even a good candidate for the coming years... but, in fact, he's been a disaster. (Deja Vu, right? Game Change II - the movie)

Now? They are doing all they can to get the corporations to buy the presidency based on pandering to the less intelligent and less connected people in the US, hoping that enough of the vast numbers of voters they've turned away just might believe some of the lies and be pulled back in. (Ann Romney LOVES women, you know?) They're still going for it, but when they lose, they'll start planning another round for 2016 (probably already have).

It will be interesting to see if the corporations and multimillionaires behind the GOP brand can actually convince the majority of lower- and middle-class American voters that the GOP is in ANY way, interested in their welfare. IMO, a person would have to be deaf, dumb and blind to think so.

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posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 09:57 AM
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Is it possible for the media to get anything right?

I'm seeing problems on the first two issues of the Fox article already.

1. The U.S. down grade was more about the fact that Obama didn't make enough cuts based on the rating agencies' own suggestions than it was about Republican's threats not to raise the debt limit (although it didn't help). The rating agencies were already telling Obama that he needed to cut $4 Trillion out of future 10 year budget plan cuts.

2. According to Wikipedia, the GM plant in Jayesville, Wisconsin didn't shut down until April 23, 2009.


From 1994 until 2009, the plant also produced medium-duty trucks for Isuzu under its partnership with GM.

The plant covers 4,800,000 ft³ (446,000 m³). It employed around 7,000 workers at its peak in 1970, but was down to about 1,200 at its closing in 2009.


en.wikipedia.org...-failedbid-3

www.gazettextra.com...


I'm debating whether or not it's worth digging out the true details on the remaining accusations. These were just the first two in the Fox article.



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Oh gee, I'd never expect Salon.com to be a biased report.
And just a hint, it's not the first time Ryan claimed Obamacare raids Medicare to pay for it's programs.
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It would be easier for you to dismiss the source if the consensus on the speech was not near unanimous!

Here is a hint...when FOX NEWS feels like they need to speak up on the BS, you know it is some serious BS.

This from the Conservative Business Insider


Pretty much everyone is shredding Paul Ryan's speech at the Republican National Convention on Wednesday night — including Fox News. In a particularly harshly worded takedown, The Washington Post's Post Partisan blog slammed it as "breathtakingly dishonest."

There's good reason for this. Ryan's speech was riddled with inaccuracies, misleading statements and distortions of his record in the House of Representatives. In the spirit of what some others have already done, let's examine the five most mindboggling.


Read more: www.businessinsider.com...




1. The Janesville General Motors plant

What Ryan said:

"A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: 'I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.' That’s what he said in 2008.

"Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that’s how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight."

What actually happened:

Politifact has debunked this one. Obama said in February 2008 that he hoped "this plant will be here for another hundred years." But the plant effectively closed in December, before he even took office. Dec. 23, 2008


2. Medicare

This has become a pretty standard method of attack from Romney-Ryan, but here's what Ryan said, again:

..........

What actually happened:

Paul Ryan's budget keeps the billions of dollars of cuts in Obamacare — the only part of the health-care law he doesn't want to repeal. Obama cut $716 billion from Medicare, but there is little in "cuts" to beneficiaries. The cuts come largely from how much the program pays to providers


3. The S&P credit rating downgrade

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Ryan blamed Obama for the S&P's downgrade of the U.S.'s credit rating. Here's a full breakdown of the issue, which is particularly strange because the S&P blamed House Republicans for the downgrade because they were not open to any new measures that would raise revenue.

4. The debt commission

What Ryan said:

Yet by his own decisions, President Obama has added more debt than any other president before him, and more than all the troubled governments of Europe combined. One president, one term, $5 trillion in new debt.

He created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way, and then did exactly nothing.

What actually happened:

This is another particularly strange method of attack because of how much it leaves out. Ryan forgot to mention that he was on that bipartisan debt comission he referred to as "they/them." That would be the Simpson-Bowles (or Bowles-Simpson) commission. And Ryan also forgot to mention that he voted against their "urgent report" himself.

5. The stimulus and 'protecting the weak'

What Ryan said:

"The stimulus was a case of political patronage, corporate welfare, and cronyism at their worst. You, the working men and women of this country, were cut out of the deal. [...]

"We have responsibilities, one to another – we do not each face the world alone. And the greatest of all responsibilities, is that of the strong to protect the weak. The truest measure of any society is how it treats those who cannot defend or care for themselves."

What actually happened:

Four times, Paul Ryan and his office requested stimulus money from the Obama administration for his district. He got that stimulus money.

As for his overall theme of "protecting the weak" — which goes along with how ordinary people were "shafted" by the stimulus and the Obama administration's policies — the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities estimates that 62 percent of Ryan's budget cut low-income programs. That includes $2.4 trillion in cuts to Medicare and $134 billion in food-stamp program cuts.



Read more: www.businessinsider.com...


This is without a doubt the most blatently dishonest political speech given this election cycle...and that is saying a lot



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 10:04 AM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
Is it possible for the media to get anything right?

I'm seeing problems on the first two issues of the Fox article already.

1. The U.S. down grade was more about the fact that Obama didn't make enough cuts based on the rating agencies' own suggestions than it was about Republican's threats not to raise the debt limit (although it didn't help). The rating agencies were already telling Obama that he needed to cut $4 Trillion out of future 10 year budget plan cuts.


Factually false...Don't know what else to say?...you can say those things, but the S&P ACTUALLY STATED CLEARLY THIER REASON FOR THE DOWNGRADE...



Look at who the S&P blames in its statement:

Compared with previous projections, our revised base case scenario now assumes that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, due to expire by the end of 2012, remain in place. We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act.



Read more: www.businessinsider.com...



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 10:07 AM
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S+F

I watched his speech on YouTube and couldn't understand how he could lie straight to people's faces like that. I mean he talked about how the bailout was bad and Obama closed the GM plant in his home town(I don't know if it's true) but failed to mention how he requested some of those bailout funds himself.

He wants to cut government spending AND give tax breaks to the "job creators". Cutting spending I can definitely get behind but more tax cuts? I mean isn't the government already bleeding money and he wants to work with less?

From his speech:

The stimulus was a case of political patronage, corporate welfare, and cronyism at their worst.


He talks like he and Romney won't do the exact same thing themselves.

Political shenanigans is all it is.
edit on 8/30/12 by thov420 because: spelling/caps


ETA: My source for the speech transcript: Yahoo
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posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 10:12 AM
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Why did this happen now?

S&P gave two primary reasons for downgrading U.S. debt: The nation's fiscal path and its broken political system.

The agency has been harping on those two issues for months. S&P argues that the U.S. debt-to-GDP trajectory is unsustainable, and that the politics involved are so caustic that lawmakers are unable to make the tough choices needed to correct the problem. During the debt ceiling debate, lawmakers blew their big chance to make a difference.

To avoid a downgrade, S&P said the United States needed to not only raise the debt ceiling, but also develop a "credible" plan to tackle the nation's long-term debt. The agency has indicated it preferred a deal that would have reduced deficits by $4 trillion over ten years. Instead, lawmakers settled for a measure that will cut only $2.5 trillion.


money.cnn.com...


Well, the debt ceiling was raised, but the requested cuts were not.



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by Deetermined


2. According to Wikipedia, the GM plant in Jayesville, Wisconsin didn't shut down until April 23, 2009.

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Ryan:
"I remember President Obama visiting it when he was first running, saying he'll keep that plant open,"

Obama spoke in Febuary 2008 and never "Promised" to keep the plant open...



"I know that General Motors received some bad news yesterday, and I know how hard your governor has fought to keep jobs in this plant. But I also know how much progress you've made -- how many hybrids and fuel-efficient vehicles you're churning out," Obama said. "And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years."

www.cnn.com...

That was Feb. 2008



June 2008: GM announces that the Janesville plant will stop production of medium-duty trucks by the end of 2009, and stop production of large SUVs such as the Chevy Tahoe and Suburban and the GMC Yukon in 2010 or sooner, depending on market demand.

December 23, 2008: SUV production ends, and more than 2,000 GM workers are laid off, according to the Gazette. Medium truck production continues.

April 23, 2009: The plant's medium-duty assembly line, which produced an Isuzu line, closes, ending vehicle production at the plant and resulting in the loss of 57 production jobs, according to the Gazette.


So a plant that employed at one time 7000 workers...let all but 57 of them go before Obama took office? And the last 57 let go in April 2009?

Obama did not shutter that plant and that plant was not shuttered on Obama's watch, that decision was made in 2008 and Obama never promised to keep it open....AND if he HAD intervened Ryan and Romney would have screamed SOCIALISM in a loud Ann Rand shrill voice.

Dishonest to the core.

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posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by Maroboduus


"College grads shouldn’t have to live out their 20s in childhood bedrooms, staring up at fading Obama posters".


I believe he's talking about the lack of jobs for graduates.

Personally, I can't wait for Dems Convention. I'm sure it will be a bastion of truth, justice and the American way.('
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posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 10:20 AM
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(1) I qouted the actual S&P Report - Reason that they stated, absent the spin that arrives via outlets.

(2) Yes...The GOP's refusal to consider revenues was the principle reason and yes ...a long term deal was a secondary reason...BUT that still doesn't help your case any as President Obama's deal, which the GOP refused, was the only long term deal on the table and back-channel endorsed by the S&P.

Rememebr when a deal was struck between Pres. Obama and Boehner? A long term deal? And Boehner tried to take it to his caucus and the TP refused? It was a scandal at the time with Boehner's credibility at risk?

THAT was the long-term deal that the S&P, Obama and even Boehner were going for...the GOP refused.

So either way...GOP was to blame...no real grey area there.
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posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 10:40 AM
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The extension of tax cuts enacted under President George W. Bush, the chance that Congress won’t reduce spending and the outcome of the November elections have increased Moody’s uncertainty over the willingness and ability of the U.S. to reduce its debt, the credit-ratings company said. Read more: Moody’s Threatens US With ‘Negative’ Debt Outlook


www.moneynews.com...


NEW YORK, July 28 (Reuters) - Cutting the U.S. deficit by some $4 trillion over 10 years would be a good start, but more savings would be needed over time to bring the country's finances under control, ratings agency Standard & Poor's said on Thursday. John Chambers, the chairman of S&P's sovereign ratings committee, said deficit cuts of that magnitude "would signal the seriousness of policymakers to address the fiscal position of the United States."


www.reuters.com...


His comments, made during a conference call with clients, suggest S&P would probably be convinced to keep U.S. ratings at AAA if lawmakers were to show commitment to solving the debt problem with bold deficit-cutting measures.


When have we ever seen tax increases used to actually cut debt versus using it to keep the status quo going?
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posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 10:42 AM
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Fox News...Pretty Damning


On the other hand, to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.


Read more: www.foxnews.com...



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 10:45 AM
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By the way, I could easily say that Harry Reid played a huge role in refusing budget cuts until taxes were raised and being the sell out in the budget talks.



posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
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By the way, I could easily say that Harry Reid played a huge role in refusing budget cuts until taxes were raised and being the sell out in the budget talks.


And I could easily say that Paul Ryan is a closet muslim...but we each must reconcile what we say with our "honest" selves.

Otherwise...you could say that, but there is a reason you don't.

Truth is non-partisan. Stop fretting...you can still support Romney/Ryan and the GOP and acknowledge lies when you see them. To do otherwise is to sacrifice your self-respect to a political party...and no political party is worth that, left or right.




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