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posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 06:36 PM
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I was just telling my wife how fun it was to watch Newt during the debates. He is a very intelligent guy and a definite expert at steering a conversation to flip blame around. He's like a black belt in Aikido-linguistics.


NO DOUBT! He’s a Kung Fu Master!




I disagree with Newt on just about everything but he has a point about the "welfare=black" argument. My fellow liberals are wrong about this. Society in general confuses socio-economics with ethnicity and it's one of the reasons racism still exists in America.


Thank you for being honest…I respect that. I will also be honest when my party does dumb things; I have no problem calling a spade a spade (and no…that wasn’t a racist comment)!




I think the general association between right-wing and racism is well earned but I don't believe that disliking welfare should always be equated to racism. Selfishness, maybe, but not racism.


It was the Republican party that freed the slaves in 1863…you do know that, right?

Emancipation Proclamation?




posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by PvtHudson

Originally posted by Cuervo

I think the general association between right-wing and racism is well earned but I don't believe that disliking welfare should always be equated to racism. Selfishness, maybe, but not racism.


This is because you're selective about what you call racism and you've bought in to the MSM narrative.. For example, you wont call left wing groups racist that clearly are such as the black caucus, the black panthers, Black liberation theology and La Raza (which works very closely with Democrats). Basically, you think racism = white Republicans.
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Way to generalize. I don't know any liberals who do not think the New Black Panther party is racist. La Raza is isn't racism, it's more "bigotry". The Black Caucus isn't racist either; it's just a stupid and reactionary response to the fact that the Republican Caucus (statistically) serves as a "White Caucus".

These groups flock to liberals like white supremacists flock to conservatives. The difference is that we are not talking about "groups". We are talking about general cross-sections of the two ideologies.

I'm willing to admit the ridiculousness of the over-demonizing of the "republican racist" but there's also no denying that it's prevalent enough to warrant attention.



posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 06:48 PM
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Liberals constantly whine about racism, yet have nothing to say about Obama's church and mentor for 20 years, or the fact Obama once claimed "the average white person is racist". You say nothing when the Media and Democrats turn being white in to some kind of evil and use white skin to attack people.


Excellent point, my friend! Black Liberation Theology is the epitome of racism!



Why is your outrage so selective?


Many of the most vocal on the left do suffer from selective outrage…..fact! Did you hear one thing from the left when Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice, Michael Steele, Herman Cain et al were racially slandered?

NOPE! NOT A WORD!

What about when Palin, Bachmann et al were were inundated with sexist slurs??

AGAIN....NOT A WORD!

But Republicans are the racists and sexists, right?


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posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
It was the Republican party that freed the slaves in 1863…you do know that, right?


Are you suggesting that the Republican party of 1863 is ANYTHING like the GOP of 2012? Seriously? You can't claim, "we freed the slaves 150 years ago and that proves we aren't racist"!

I'm not saying that every Republican is racist. Not even close. But Mitt Romney's statement about Obama's birth certificate appeals to the racists in the crowd. He purposely pandered to the racists with that comment, IMO.



posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 07:00 PM
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Are you suggesting that the Republican party of 1863 is ANYTHING like the GOP of 2012? Seriously? You can't claim, "we freed the slaves 150 years ago and that proves we aren't racist"!


When someone says something like, “I think the general association between right-wing and racism is well earned” without any evidence to back up that assertion I think bringing up the fact that Republicans freed the slaves is a reasonable response.




I'm not saying that every Republican is racist. Not even close.


That’s good, and neither was he.



But Mitt Romney's statement about Obama's birth certificate appeals to the racists in the crowd. He purposely pandered to the racists with that comment, IMO.


IN YOUR OPINION!

Please tell me how it’s racist; just because you think so??

So ALL birthers are racist IYO?? I’m a birther and not only am I NOT a racist; I also don’t find the birther position or Romney’s comments to be racist in nature. I can't logically make that connection and I'm curious how others can.....


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posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
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Originally posted by seabag
Would anyone care to explain how calling the POTUS the “food stamp President” is racist




"So I'm prepared, if the NAACP invites me, I'll go to their convention and talk about why the African-American community should demand paychecks and not be satisfied with food stamps," Newt Gingrich said at a townhall event in Plymouth, N.H. today.


Source

If I said, "Men should court women, not rape them", would that be sexist - or at the very least, a HUGE insult to men?

There was no doubt that race would become central in this campaign. It's been on the table and out in the open since Obama decided to run for president. It started with people's attempts to make him out to be "foreign" and not American, and has gone steadily on from there. I'm sick of hearing about it and I'm sick of people not being able to see how this president has been treated so differently from the others from the start.

Racists don't know they're racist. It's a deep, almost inborn trait of many Americans.

The REASON Obama has been dogged since the beginning of his campaign in 2008 is because he's black. I don't care anymore either.
edit on 8/29/2012 by Benevolent Heretic because: (no reason given)
Great post Benevolent Heretic. You're absolutely correct. And before I get flamed, let it be known that I'm a black guy, and I'm no O fan at all. But saying crap like ''food stamp president'' has racial undertones. We all know which segment of society that statement is referring to. Truth of the matter is, blacks don't make up the majority of food stamp recipients, contrary to popular belief. And before anyone tries to label me as a ''leftist'', can that crap. I'm not left, right, or in between... I evaluate things on a case by case basis.



posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 07:08 PM
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And before I get flamed, let it be known that I'm a black guy, and I'm no O fan at all. But saying crap like ''food stamp president'' has racial undertones. We all know which segment of society that statement is referring to. Truth of the matter is, blacks don't make up the majority of food stamp recipients, contrary to popular belief.


I’ve already posted that blacks indeed DO NOT make up the majority of food stamp recipients; Newt pointed that out too.



Why then do you feel that “we all know which segment of society that statement was referring to”??

You’re entitled to your opinion but I don’t see the connection. Maybe some want to see it? Maybe it’s been ingrained into your head by some in our society (on the left)??

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posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
 



Are you suggesting that the Republican party of 1863 is ANYTHING like the GOP of 2012? Seriously? You can't claim, "we freed the slaves 150 years ago and that proves we aren't racist"!


When someone says something like, “I think the general association between right-wing and racism is well earned” without any evidence to back up that assertion I think bringing up the fact that Republicans freed the slaves is a reasonable response.




I'm not saying that every Republican is racist. Not even close.


That’s good, and neither was he.



But Mitt Romney's statement about Obama's birth certificate appeals to the racists in the crowd. He purposely pandered to the racists with that comment, IMO.


IN YOUR OPINION!

Please tell me how it’s racist; just because you think so??

So ALL birthers are racist IYO?? I’m a birther and not only am I NOT a racist; I also don’t find the birther position or Romney’s comments to be racist in nature. I can't logically make that connection and I'm curious how others can.....


edit on 29-8-2012 by seabag because: (no reason given)
I agree, I can't find being a birther is racist. I'm a black guy, and I find O's past very shadowy, to say the least. I mean, c'mon, dude came literally, out of nowhere, into the majors of the political scene, in a very short time, with a very sketchy history.



posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
. I also will NEVER support any conservative who really does make negative racial comments about Obama. Did you see how quickly the GOP denounced the actions of those two morons at the convention who threw peanuts at a black camera operator?


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Agreed, racism has n0 place in p0litics.
Newt 0bvi0usly said n0thing racist, hardb0iled egg head mathews
was backed in a c0rner, all he had left to pull was his race card, sad really.
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posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 07:14 PM
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Have you seen the birth certificate? If the man won't even release his tax returns, I doubt he will release his birth certificate. Frankly, until he posts it on the internet, I simply can't trust that he is a American citizen.


Has anyone asked to see Mitt’s birth certificate???

Until he refuses to show it there is no issue here!



posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by seabag

I’ve already posted that blacks indeed DO NOT make up the majority of food stamp recipients; Newt pointed that out too.



Now Seabag, you are a sneaky, cheeky fellow.

Using the graph you provided, Take into consideration that Blacks make up 30% of the US Populace,

as a group, there are more Blacks Proportionally on Food Stamps than any other groups.

The Food Stamp blurb Newt spoke of, was as Newt is, Rascist.



posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 07:19 PM
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It's the same with Akin's 'legitimate rape' comment.



Akin is entitled to his opinion (as ridiculous as it is) but did you see how quickly the GOP tried to make him step aside? Why wasn’t Biden asked to step aside by Democrats for his dumb comments?



There were several rapes at OWS and NONE at the Tea Party rallies....yet liberals claim that the right-wing is anti-woman and doesn't take rape seriously over the poor-choice words of one individual. Liberals expect conservatives to apologize and be ashamed over every little gaff, no matter how trivial, made by one of their members, yet don't even acknowledge the horrid individuals on their side. Conservatives are also to blame for this double standard, because they're the ones that submit to militant liberals and apologize for things they had absolutely nothing to do with.


Yes, the GOP plays right into their hands, which is why they keep playing the race card. This is about to get a whole lot worse….



EDIT: It was so unsafe for women at OWS that there had to be 'women-only' tents established.


It was horrible. Did you see Obama or prominent liberals speak out against Occupy and the mistreatment of women??



posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 07:22 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
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And before I get flamed, let it be known that I'm a black guy, and I'm no O fan at all. But saying crap like ''food stamp president'' has racial undertones. We all know which segment of society that statement is referring to. Truth of the matter is, blacks don't make up the majority of food stamp recipients, contrary to popular belief.


I’ve already posted that blacks indeed DO NOT make up the majority of food stamp recipients; Newt pointed that out too.



Why then do you feel that “we all know which segment of society that statement was referring to”??

You’re entitled to your opinion but I don’t see the connection. Maybe some want to see it? Maybe it’s been ingrained into your head by some in our society (on the left)??

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While I respect your response, it's not ingrained in my head, my friend. I've seen numerous posts implying that the majority of tax dollars are going to ''welfare queens'', and such. So I must ask....who's head is it really ingrained in? Like I said before, and I'll say it again, we all know which segment of society that crap is directed to. When that topic comes up, the stats that you provided are not referenced to.



posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 07:22 PM
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These groups flock to liberals like white supremacists flock to conservatives

In many cases, White Supremacists are Neo Nazis ie. nationalist socialists, which is partly why they endorse socialist parties and occupy wall street. Also, that group of old school white supremacists, the KKK, was entirely comprised of democrats. It was life-long democrat and KKK member, Robert Byrd, that filibustered the civil rights act. Until last year the DNC held an annual fund raiser in North Carolina named after a mayor that "beat back the republican resurgence" in the state. They fail to mention that those "resurgent republicans" were black and they "beat them back" by participating in a series of lynchings.
It's just not as clear cut as some people would suggest.
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posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

I'm not saying that every Republican is racist. Not even close. BUT Mitt Romney's statement about Obama's birth certificate appeals to the racists in the crowd. He purposely pandered to the racists with that comment, IMO.


BUT, When I read that the flags G0 up and the credibility 0f that person must be questi0ned.

N0T All republicans are racist BUT

That right there sh0ws us the true c0l0rs 0f s0me 0f the die hards.

0bama and supporters like mathews are so scared right n0w
that Obama will loose which he will you can see it in their
faces, hear it in their speeches, and read it in their post.



posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 07:28 PM
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Now Seabag, you are a sneaky, cheeky fellow.

Using the graph you provided, Take into consideration that Blacks make up 30% of the US Populace, as a group, there are more Blacks Proportionally on Food Stamps than any other groups.

The Food Stamp blurb Newt spoke of, was as Newt is, Rascist.


The US is the largest food stamp providing nation in the WORLD!



The number of Americans on food stamps has increased DRASTICALLY under Obama!!

FACT!!



If pointing that out is racist to you then I think you are desperate!



posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by Tw0Sides

Originally posted by seabag

I’ve already posted that blacks indeed DO NOT make up the majority of food stamp recipients; Newt pointed that out too.



Now Seabag, you are a sneaky, cheeky fellow.

Using the graph you provided, Take into consideration that Blacks make up 30% of the US Populace,

as a group, there are more Blacks Proportionally on Food Stamps than any other groups.

The Food Stamp blurb Newt spoke of, was as Newt is, Rascist.
Twist it how you wanna, man. Better get the real numbers on the black percentile.



posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 07:33 PM
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While I respect your response, it's not ingrained in my head, my friend. I've seen numerous posts implying that the majority of tax dollars are going to ''welfare queens'', and such.


Does “welfare queen” mean blacks too?


Is there a description Republicans can make that doesn’t mean blacks?



So I must ask....who's head is it really ingrained in?


Obviously the people who keeping thinking that everything is about blacks; certainly not me.



Like I said before, and I'll say it again, we all know which segment of society that crap is directed to. When that topic comes up, the stats that you provided are not referenced to.


Speak for yourself. You act as though everyone shares your view and they don’t!
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posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 07:38 PM
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Agreed, racism has n0 place in p0litics.
Newt 0bvi0usly said n0thing racist, hardb0iled egg head mathews
was backed in a c0rner, all he had left to pull was his race card, sad really.


Actually Mathews started out with the race card!


It’s always their First and Last play because apparently it works….it doesn’t fly with me and many others though; I see it for what it is – a dirty tactic based in fantasy.



posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by seabag

Speak for yourself. You act as though everyone shares your view and they don’t!

Seabag , you should use the above quote as your sig, every time you create a Misleadin, Agenda driven Thread.

The Jig is up and your exposed.





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