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posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by Komodo
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Hi Druscilla,

I do respect the documentation you presented; however, I did not read it simply because I have read and view documentaries on TV & on the web about how people can have an abduction experience in a lab or being hypnotize.

As for you not capturing your roommate on her abduction when she said she did, doesn't necessary mean it didn't happen in the physical but could have very well happen to her in her mind while being asleep. (yes.. that's a reach but, that's the type of technology we need to ponder, the ability to reach into someones mind while they're asleep, I'm just using this as an example because I still remember my encounter when I was at the age of 5)

Now if you haven't read my thread of my personal encounter you should. To this day, I still don't have answers..


Nothing described in abduction encounters or experiences has yet fallen outside of anything that is beyond the attribution of Psychological phenomena.
According to your account, you heard a sound, and over-reacted by brandishing a machete at your friend.
This doesn't sound like sensible, well reasoned behavior to me.

It was just a sound. You psyched yourself out over the sound because you didn't know what it was.
The over-active imagination of a child gone haywire can imagine and attribute all sorts of fantastic reasons behind anything they think they experience whether convincing themselves that ghosts are following them around, Santa Claus is watching to see if they're naughty, or being convinced they almost caught the Easter Bunny in a trap they set set.

You heard a sound, and you freaked out about it.
Keeping a machete by your bed at 5 years old is obvious indication regarding flights of irrational fear over any number of imagined and over inflated reasons.
Why would a child have any need to keep a razor sharp machete next to their bed?
Seems more like you almost wanted something to happen, and the sound was the result of a self fulfilling prophecy you've attached extra disillusioned significance to beyond reason.

Now, over the years, you've grown a mythical significance to the event where your imagination has likely attributed to whole spectacle to be associated with aliens and UFOs.
Nothing of any significance beyond you hearing, or thinking you heard a sound that freaked you out happened.

I would advise making a study of developmental illusions resulting from a young rapidly developing, growing body and mind; strange perceptions, flights of fancy, auditory hallucinations like ringing, buzzing, or tonal sensations are common occurrences.


Originally posted by swan001
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Yes, some ET "contact" are psychological things, but not all.


Some?
Actually, no. More like the vast majority of abduction accounts may be attributed to internally subjective psychological phenomenon, while others may be accounted for by simple attention seekers telling a story for whatever reason.

Yes, there may be some 'real' abductions that take place, but, there has as of yet been any evidence to prove such across studies of thousands of cases.
If you, or anyone for that matter thinks they are being abducted, lets see some evidence. GPS Tracking, for instance.
The problem with this, however, is that once a realistic solution is suggested, a veritable impassible wall of excuses detracting as to why such will not work comes up; aliens are too advanced, aliens are inter/extra-dimensional, aliens are time travelers, aliens only abduct a person's soul ... and the list goes on.

These excuses to defend reasons why a simple proposition like GPS won't work exemplify the rationale of magical thinking in such states as Schizotypal Personality Disorder (SPD) where all this creative effort to weasel out of such a simple test is conspicuous as a defense against quantifying these magical fancies into something internally subjective as an effect of a well known psychological condition, and thus no longer magical.
It's almost like someone making the statement "My hallucinations inform me with due authority that they are not the effect of any psychological condition". Hmmm.

Once again, I suggest reviewing the links to documents I posted on page 1 of this thread.
Details regarding physical effects like scars on a person's body are even covered.




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posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by swan001
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Yes, some ET "contact" are psychological things, but not all.
So how can you distinguish the real ones from the psychological since reality is perception? With the lack of external physical data, you are only left with perception or experience which is psychological.



posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 01:18 PM
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Yes. And what if true reality, not the one you percieve, is much different than what you think? Have you ever heard about the holographic universe theory? What if there is really something out there?

You sound like the Church when Galileo wanted to expose a new truth. WE have experienced it. But SOME are not ready to hear this, as it would mean their belief system is wrong.

All over the world people are experiencing these strange phenomenons. When more than one perceptions are alike, individualization of this experience drops to null, which means there is ground to suggest that the perception is not due to personnal "mental illness" but due to the fact it really exists.



posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 01:20 PM
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And by the way, I wonder why you called Starheart "mentally ill" in the first place? According to her, she didn't even have any paranormal experiences. Did she ever mentionned she had one?
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posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 01:37 PM
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I was just trying to help, sorry if i crossed a line.



posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 01:39 PM
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Originally posted by ZetaRediculian
For self defense, I just go all out ninja on whateva attack is being done at me. Aliens, psychic humans, psychic aliens, psychic alien-human hybrids, psychic demons, psychic witches, psychic alien witch magicians, psychic wolf magician aliens, girls, psychic girls, psychic pole dancing girls, strippers, demon hybrid aliens, regular people, ex wife, psychic ex wife, aliens, demon aliens, alien demon strippers or just plain psychic. It doesn't matter because extreme ninjutsu will dominate all of these. Thanks for your "advice" but I am pretty bad ass.


That's good!


Don't forget that reptilians are good at physical combat too, though. And there are reports that greys can resist bullets.



posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 01:39 PM
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Originally posted by swan001
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Yes. And what if true reality, not the one you percieve, is much different than what you think? Have you ever heard about the holographic universe theory? What if there is really something out there?

"What if" it's all hallucination?


You sound like the Church when Galileo wanted to expose a new truth. WE have experienced it. But SOME are not ready to hear this, as it would mean their belief system is wrong.

I disagree. I'm ready to accept anything based on solid evidence. I really have nothing to go on except others perceptions and my own. My own experiences are identical yet I interprit them as psychological.


All over the world people are experiencing these strange phenomenons. When more than one perceptions are alike, individualization of this experience drops to null, which means there is ground to suggest that the perception is not due to personnal "mental illness" but due to the fact it really exists.

I disagree. There are lots of ways to account for people perceiving the same thing and has nothing to do with mental illness. I would attribute this to misidentification of internal stimuli.



posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by swan001
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Yes. And what if true reality, not the one you percieve, is much different than what you think? Have you ever heard about the holographic universe theory? What if there is really something out there?

You sound like the Church when Galileo wanted to expose a new truth. WE have experienced it. But SOME are not ready to hear this, as it would mean their belief system is wrong.

All over the world people are experiencing these strange phenomenons. When more than one perceptions are alike, individualization of this experience drops to null, which means there is ground to suggest that the perception is not due to personnal "mental illness" but due to the fact it really exists.


Actually, this is a flaw in rationale.
What adherents to this near religious attachment to subjective magical experiences fail to recognize are that similarities bear out on many factors because they are subjective experiences manufactured by a human brain, with human perceptual and social biases, made by humans by their own brains, and experienced by humans.

The common thread in all these experiences is HUMAN.
How else can these very same experiences be replicated in a lab setting by someone that's never had one of these experiences where the subject goes on to describe the very same things?

The reactions of the human mind to specific neurochemical stimuli is predictable. All these people see the same things and have the same experiences because they are human beings and human beings are essentially wired to work that way and see those things when certain neurochemical stimuli are present or specific conditions are met.
It's a trick of the mind. An illusion.
The very same mechanism plays a key role in religious experiences where someone of a religious bias will interpret their subjective experience differently than someone who has a bias in favor of aliens.

These same experiences can be manufactured in a lab where people that have never had such an experience will describe the very same or similar things. Terms like sensory homunculous, and hyper-suggestibility often come into play.
These experiences are well known, documented, and can be replicated in the lab.

The mind is a wonderful thing and very good at playing tricks on itself.
We understand many of the mechanisms involved in these subjective personal experiences, but, because these subjective highly personal experiences are often experienced by superstitious, religious, and/or Schizotypy prone subjects without benefit of University education and well studied understanding of Human Psychology, we get these reports of aliens, ghosts, religious experiences, demon possession and the like.



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posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by ZetaRediculian

Originally posted by swan001
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What about the fact that I could see things 2 years in the future? What about the fact electrical systems would go haywire when I approached them?

Alerting you to the mods now.
Unfortunately, believing these things are also symptoms of mental illness. I don't understand how that can't be up for discussion since mental illness abounds here. You would be correct that calling someone "crazy" or "retard" would be inappropriate.



You too?! Druscilla, ScientificUAPer, now you... Why do you only believe in what the media and the government-paid doctors and scientists tells you? These things are not illness, otherwise, the US Army wouldn't have made an entire secret army called "PSI-Corps" (yes, it exists, and the wistleblowers have been diagnosed as credible and not mentally ill).

And yes, my thread was not supposed to be about predictions or the ability of seeing things without our eyes, but i had no choice, for only that way i could try to persuade you guys that alien abductions and contacts are most of the time real! This place is supposed to be completely open-minded; you guys only believe on one source. Yes, some testimonies haven't truly happened, but 95% of them are real! Not ALL.
The reason why the doctors said this, is because they want to contain everyone in silence, in case that it doesn't match their "true" accounts (remember the "Ashtar Galactic Command"? The government made it seems as if they were truly the good guys; in fact, the Ashtar Command is related to the Reptillians [for those that researched these type of things, not just what was written in "Science" or in "Discovery Channel"]. And during that time, there were account for true abductions that cited blond-haired, blue-eyed, and Swedish-looking aliens [exactly the descriptions that the government made of the "kind Ashtar Sheran]).



posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by starheart

You too?! Druscilla, ScientificUAPer, now you... Why do you only believe in what the media and the government-paid doctors and scientists tells you? These things are not illness, otherwise, the US Army wouldn't have made an entire secret army called "PSI-Corps" (yes, it exists, and the wistleblowers have been diagnosed as credible and not mentally ill).

And yes, my thread was not supposed to be about predictions or the ability of seeing things without our eyes, but i had no choice, for only that way i could try to persuade you guys that alien abductions and contacts are most of the time real! This place is supposed to be completely open-minded; you guys only believe on one source. Yes, some testimonies haven't truly happened, but 95% of them are real! Not ALL.
The reason why the doctors said this, is because they want to contain everyone in silence, in case that it doesn't match their "true" accounts (remember the "Ashtar Galactic Command"? The government made it seems as if they were truly the good guys; in fact, the Ashtar Command is related to the Reptillians [for those that researched these type of things, not just what was written in "Science" or in "Discovery Channel"]. And during that time, there were account for true abductions that cited blond-haired, blue-eyed, and Swedish-looking aliens [exactly the descriptions that the government made of the "kind Ashtar Sheran]).



Respectfully, you're sounding overly defensive and paranoid. Please, let me repeat myself from page 5:


For those unfamiliar with these, though there's a relationship with the more well known Schizophrenia, Schizotypy isn't necessarily a 'bad' thing.
There is such a state as "Healthy" Schizotypy:

Although aiming to reflect some of the features present in diagnosable mental illness, schizotypy does not necessarily imply that someone who is more schizotypal than someone else is more ill. For example, certain aspects of schizotypy may be beneficial. Both the Unusual experiences and Cognitive disorganisation aspects have been linked to Creativity and academic achievement. Jackson proposed the concept of ‘benign schizotypy’ in relation to certain classes of religious experience, which he suggested might be regarded as a form of problem-solving and therefore of adaptive value. The link between positive schizotypy and certain facets of creativity is consistent with the notion of a "healthy schizotypy", which may account for the persistence of schizophrenia-related genes in the population despite their many dysfunctional aspects.


I encourage those unfamiliar with, or biased against Psychological classifications to educate yourselves.
"Crazy" is not a clinical designation, but a societal perception.

Schizotypy in some ways, considering the creative aspects associated with healthy subjects, could be like having Synesthesia which is actually quite a wonderful and fascinating condition.

I further encourage folks to read the papers I linked on page one of this thread. There's nothing to be scared of by reading the material. You might learn something, even if you disagree.


Granted, there are some pathological conditions that are strongly suggested clinical management plays a role in mitigation, sometimes with the assistance of medications, but, this isn't necessarily applicable to all conditions.
Anyone seeing a physician, unless under court order, and even then, isn't required to take any prescribed medication. It's your right as a patient to seek second, third, fourth, or as many opinions as you like regarding your health.

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posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 02:12 PM
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obviously alien contact is not a psychological phenomenon,

for then it wouldn't be alien contact.

sure, perceived contact/abduction is a psych phenomenon, but people's readiness to write extraterrestrial communication off as psycho, as seen in the initial response, is good reason this should be discussed and shared and s & f'ed.



posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 02:25 PM
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They were there shoulder to shoulder, then gone. And I have zero fear, and pretty sure they won't be in my face for they don't have permission to. And besides they would be getting the Be Hero's Not Zero's, Make U-Turns, Happiness is progression and Family, lectures of their lives, for that is what I do for anything that monitors, any threats I've ever received, and I received threats for my whole family. It makes zero difference to me. Family protects people, all the time, and if I get the golden ticket out of here, yah!!!! Can't bear this world for one moment. So, that means speak up and always do whats right, and always try to convert them. Period.

Cosmic humans exist everywhere, our own DNA is cosmic and from a variety species races, many of the species could walk here with us, and no one would have a clue. Some are different. Some of my contact is with, what I call hero's by the way, I tried reverse voicing talking into a microphone about my experiences, then used audacity to reverse and was suprised that my voice spoke the occasional words, and it really shocked me, but words like Family, and "she was a hero, or they were hero's" would come out. And in one where family abduction, that I was given warning, I knew before hand, so tried to stay up late, thought doesnt work, and had what seemed a painful large radiation burn and a huge chunk out of my foot, and the kids had needle marks, my son had small wounds on his head. Anyway, when I reversed this I said, very sadly, They Hurt Me!". This was trying to assist a friend, who woke with wounds and I tried to RV his experiences, that he couldn't remember. Well I didn't have a RV experience, but was pulled either out of my body or RV'ing type of astral, to the craft, and had quite a talk with a grey commander type who didn't like me being there, and then each night, had him project in and scare me. Within a few days the family abduction took place. Those are the moon based greys, I think of them as negatives. And they don't like meddling. Perhaps they send out the MIB's who knows. Nordics and greys work together often.

Those guys could be bots, droids, cosmic ones, or para military black op ones, but they seem to be a part of those who patrol the system.

The hero's have been tall, at least in their suits, a range of 5 5 human type males, to 8 feet tall, very strong chested one with long blond hair. Those ones stopped negative activity around me, did a checkup, apparently patroled,, they did a battle, I was connected to the whole thing, and it was frequency battle, the clouds had lettering in them afterwards. Not a human type event, and then alot of checkups and access disappeared, that was happening on a weekly basis. The man identified when I asked him to, as being from Taurus, 65 light years away and from Telos/Mount Shasta. I looked up Taurus, and when I saw Aldebaran there, and it has long term history for earth I googled the distance, and it was 65.1 light years away. That couple, the female does the checkup and the male guards in a kind of armor. And that they do it this way, at least for a female target, shows some morals. And keeping greys away was also very appreciated. That resulted because I had a made a decision, while in checkup, to not be angry, that since I couldn't prevent this, stop it, prayers weren't working, then one thing I wished to be, is the best person I could even in a risky situation, wanted to be kind. That was when he unstealthed and things changed, the bad things disappeared.

Most experiencers, get different groups accessing. I was told by someone with some inside info, that its often that you have many groups interested, that most ET's are Scientific, so more neutral than anything, then you have your Family or people, and those related/benevolent. Won't into the others, but there is also the renegade and control elements.

By the way. The couple that ended some access, I had asked him if we were related in any way and he said it was akin to being cousins, it was a more personal question rather than as a human.

Also,there are limits to what negatives can do, and permissions apparently, so the oddest memory, is the one where I knew we were going to abducted and I woke with wounds, and my second oldest reported missing time while up, an hour. I had some recall, and the memories where odd. When I post experiences no one has answers most don't comment. A good thread, would have ideas coming.

But I recall, being transferred from the bad craft to the good one. Intercept took place. The good one had humans, not moon based greys. And my son had alot of work, was in a special type chair, like a high tech dentists chair and I had to hand in a report to a very tall man.

Finally read Sleeper who said that, you get rescued, negatives cant just take you, in his big thread.

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posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 02:26 PM
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many of the species could walk here with us, and no one would have a clue.


In fact they do!

edit to add: They didn't have enough words, lol. Well, this does takes words to flesh out.

I was trying to write fully, that I had always known an itercept took place and that we were rescued from a particularly mean group of greys that obviously were the ones that didn't like being someone stepping over the line and spying on them, but I had not tried to obe there, that was not my idea, and also, I didn't realize there was No Time, and so had imagined this was just picking up with psi, some past events. NOPE. Its current. Which means, that for the abduction that had happened to him in our "past" I was there for, in the current.

That entity/grey, was really intimidating, for several after, as if he was quite upset with me getting involved, and yet onboard, he was polite and answered a few questions. There was a kind of protocol involved.

Despite them being negative, when I finally went to bed, staying up til I was so exhausted, fell asleep quickly, but felt like a very kind female mind met mine, maybe she was a very kind bot. I didn't see her, but the covers moved and immediately she met my mind and asked me, if I wanted to be a awake for this or asleep. I chose sleep so fast, no way!!!!

In any case, don't know if a true intercept took place OR if that second group was connected to the first, and that it was an inter system, inter race group, ie. controllers of this system perhaps.
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posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 02:35 PM
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Yeah... the way you think appalls me. As if you have the answers to all of these things. Because some well known psychologists have reported that some of their patients abduction experiences are the cause of an overactive imagination or some sort of mentally debilitating illness. Sorry, everything these quacks say is NOT the gospel truth. You are imploring people to look at things "your" way, with the articles you have chosen to side with. Just because you have not experienced these things, does not make them unreal. Sorry, you are not the source to be taking people's ufo/paranormal/abduction experiences and trying to downplay them because some well known pompous ass of a psychologist with an inflated ego states online or in magazine articles that the experiences people have that are paranormal in nature whether it be ghosts, aliens or abduction cases have a completely organic psychological origin. The last I checked, psychologists are not experts in the field of ufology or the paranormal. I agree that some things that have been experienced by certain individuals are in fact, psychological in nature - whether it be mental illness, paranoia - possibly brought on by mental illness or the mind playing tricks on them. But that does not mean that this is the case with ALL of them. Just taking that point of view based on what these blowhards say is insulting. In my life, I have witnessed apparitions as well as the rest of my immediate family in the house I grew up in. We are not "mentally ill." I am completely mentally coherent and in fine mental health. And as far as psychology goes, as I stated, I agree with them in some cases, not all of them. I have a BA in psychology and am not stupid enough to think the way they do. But then again, I am not a self important, closed minded jerk who pretends to know the answers to these paranormal experiences either.

As far as your "idea" to help validate your hypothesis on ufo abductions by wearing one of the watches you mentioned earlier in this thread, it's just silly. Since you think it's such a great idea, maybe you should buy them and present them as "gifts" to those who believe they have genuinely had these experiences. I can hear it now. "Well I am about to go to bed - better put my watch on. I may get abducted tonight."


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posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 02:48 PM
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Actually the thread about the watches was ludicrious. I laughed my head off. Missing time comes to mind, my son and my brother have had significant missing time while up, my brother driving a truck. Time splice, for longer than 2 hours they just set you back in time. They don't DO TIME. Also it showed a complete lack of research into abductions for missing time and behavior that defies all of our technology is common in the material, so it wasn't very informed, just knee jerk skepticism and attempting to bring things to a very low intellectual denominator for suggestions.

They're way over your head, and our black ops heads, earth technology is anthill.

www.wordtinker.com...
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posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 03:13 PM
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I see your negativity and hostile bias.

Please take time to pause and reflect on the matter that I've expressed no hostility and have presented all links, documentation, opinion, commentary, and insights involved in this thread with respect, and polite delivery.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but, without documentation, citation of resources, and a proper illustration of argument to validate your point of view, your opinion is just that; an opinion, and not even an informed and educated opinion supported by outside documentation.

Regarding giving out GPS to abductees, it's been done. None of the claimed abductees went anywhere.
Still, I encourage those that think they're experiencing physical phenomenon to prove the scientific community wrong.
Give us some real data. Bring us some evidence that isn't the same anecdotal subjective experience fairy tale that's been heard thousands of times already, and even replicated in the lab. Bring us something we can't replicate in the lab as an artifact of induced subjective experience, and then, we might just have something to talk about.

Stories about aliens, ghosts and demons are fun, sure, but, until someone can provide some concrete hard data and/or physical evidence, those stories will just be that; all easily described and ascribed to Psychological phenomenon, regardless of how much anyone gets upset over their favorite invisible imaginary friend getting labelled as fictitious.

How many decades of modern UFOlogy have produced how much irrefutable physical evidence? Over 50 years, and still basically nothing?
Hmmm.
This isn't about UFOlogy in general though. The arguments I've presented, sourced, cited, and commented are applicable to the abduction phenomenon.

Should anyone care to counter any of these citations, sources, and commentary, please do so with sources, citations, links, and data relevant to the conversation as per civilized debate.

Opinion is one thing, and everyone is entitled to such, but, supporting it with proper citation, documents, links, and articles give your opinion validity and actually contribute to the advancement of intelligent debate.
Anyone can have an opinion.
An opinion supported by other outside reputable sources, however, has more weight.

I see lots of opinion, but, very little to none in the way of supporting documentation to validate any claims outside what I've presented.



posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 03:13 PM
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Very posts on time, by ET_MAN.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

His knowledge is as profound as Sleeper's except he got away with getting the positive message of how important it was to help others before he started getting warnings and threats.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

This one has the pictures that show how "time" passes. From a future perspectve earth is like a dusty old DVD on the shelf.



posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 03:20 PM
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discovermagazine.com...


Efforts to understand time below the Planck scale have led to an exceedingly strange juncture in physics. The problem, in brief, is that time may not exist at the most fundamental level of physical reality. If so, then what is time? And why is it so obviously and tyrannically omnipresent in our own experience? “The meaning of time has become terribly problematic in contemporary physics,” says Simon Saunders, a philosopher of physics at the University of Oxford. “The situation is so uncomfortable that by far the best thing to do is declare oneself an agnostic.”


www.scientificamerican.com...


Was Newton right and Einstein wrong? It seems that unzipping the fabric of spacetime and harking back to 19th-century notions of time could lead to a theory of quantum gravity.

Physicists have struggled to marry quantum mechanics with gravity for decades. In contrast, the other forces of nature have obediently fallen into line. For instance, the electromagnetic force can be described quantum-mechanically by the motion of photons. Try and work out the gravitational force between two objects in terms of a quantum graviton, however, and you quickly run into trouble—the answer to every calculation is infinity


We're in infinity and measurements cannot be taken. And some my experiences commented on this to me, in one case, reminding me that this was the past, and in another, this day took 9 days to complete.

Time is nonlinear as well, only perception makes our journey linear, and we're not really all that high tech, advanced civilzations know this and are actually beyond this dimension.

www.wired.com...

fqxi.org...


There is no past
and future in the universe, both exist only in the human mind. Time is an
observer effect. Time exists only when we measures it. Humanity does not exist
in time, time exists in humanity. Universe is an atemporal phenomenon.


Time is but an observer effect. The Universe does not experience TIME, its not built into the fabric of space.


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posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 03:43 PM
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When advanced ET, or Higher Up/Family, time travel, they don't move back and forth in "time" but choose a destination or frequency, like we choose a spot in the dvd.

edit to add: The best way to describe this is that infinity is the platform, so all "moments" within it are infinite, as in located within infinite fractals, and there is no movement, also something bourn out in physics, where items disappear, and reappear, anew, created anew, every nano second, so movement is CHANGE, and change bumps the reel of film "ahead". Its in bracket because in no time, its only our perception that makes this linear.

Now, from a Higher Up's perspective, locating a moment in time, is locating the infinite snapshot you wish to return to.

On this note, a Guide/Guardian angel would say, "Be back in a second". They would then journey to their universe/home and spend countless ages, "millions of years" perceptionally, and then find that snapshot and Be Back In A Second.

There is No Time!
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posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 04:24 PM
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Nothing described in abduction encounters or experiences has yet fallen outside of anything that is beyond the attribution of Psychological phenomena. According to your account, you heard a sound, and over-reacted by brandishing a machete at your friend. This doesn't sound like sensible, well reasoned behavior to me.
It was just a sound. You psyched yourself out over the sound because you didn't know what it was. The over-active imagination of a child gone haywire can imagine and attribute all sorts of fantastic reasons behind anything they think they experience whether convincing themselves that ghosts are following them around, Santa Claus is watching to see if they're naughty, or being convinced they almost caught the Easter Bunny in a trap they set set. You heard a sound, and you freaked out about it. Keeping a machete by your bed at 5 years old is obvious indication regarding flights of irrational fear over any number of imagined and over inflated reasons. Why would a child have any need to keep a razor sharp machete next to their bed? Seems more like you almost wanted something to happen, and the sound was the result of a self fulfilling prophecy you've attached extra disillusioned significance to beyond reason.
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Interesting. So... because it hasn't fallen outside anything that could be attributed to psychological phenomena, what you seem to be implying is that this experience could not have happened beyond the confines of psychological reasons - i.e. mental illness, overactive imagination or possible auditory and visual hallucinations.
I'll be honest, these seem like the deductions of a person who has never had these experiences and is biased due to their lack of that kind of experience. Narrow minded thinking being expounded by analytical reasoning based on a lack of personal said similar experiences is hardly reasoning at all. As far as your statement of the purported behavior of the person you are quoting not seeming like sensible, well reasoned behavior goes, your opinion of that behavior means absolutely nothing. You are not the paradigm of behavior in the aforementioned experiences, seeing as you are skeptical to the event being anything outside of the psychological realm in the first place.
Explaining to the person that you are quoting that the sound they had heard was only a sound and that they "psyched" themselves out and further making a comparison to this in connection with imagination therein creating illusions to rationalize this experience relating to this sound is once again, taking the stance of complete disbelief that this person did not experience what he has. It does not make it true in any sense, because you did not have the experience yourself and is ridiculous. I for one, would find it offensive. The self fulfilling prophecy line that you mentioned is offensive as well, stating that they have attached disillusioned significance beyond reason is absolutely abhorrently ridiculous. Who are you to say that their experience was an imagined experience based on a sound that they had heard and their mind created a "disillusioned" framework within their own mind to rationalize and make sense of the experience itself?? You don't even suggest that it's a possibility that it's the case, you state it in a way that explains it in your own terms adapted to YOUR framework of thinking based on these articles that you have presented as if it's all that could have happened. This is a very arrogant assertion based upon your understanding and skepticism of such experiences. People that have had, or believe that they have had these experiences do not need to be pandered to by you, by whom the stance in every way comes off as completely narrow minded, seeing only one way that these experiences could have happened - your own. Here's an idea. Why don't you go and seek out paranormal experiences of your own? Presenting an argument as the truth without ever experiencing what others have stated that they have, is completely ridiculous. Without that experience, who are you to state that the experience is most likely your explanation? Have a bona fide paranormal experience yourself and then see if the events in the experience was your reasoning as to the result of "imagination" or possible mental imbalance.
edit on 2-9-2012 by Rubicant13 because: (no reason given)



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