Although written from a UK perspective, this thread is applicable to most “Western” countries. Just reply if you don’t want to read; I merely
explain how to cause a revolution, and (quite separately) why violence is counter revolutionary –even for places where it at first, appears to have
The UK possess 86,000 prison places www.insidetime.org...
for its population of 62.6
million -enough (at any one moment in time) for just 0.1372% of our population. In America prison capacity (including secret ones) is enough for
around 1% of the population.
(Just for perspective) America has the world’s highest incarnation rate
5.983 times China’s and 2.19 higher than even Iran’s).
Britain is far, far away from a functional
democracy, the problem is usually described as “The Democratic Deficit”
and seems to be growing almost yearly. In April this was the headline
We're sick of the lot of you: Disgusted voters give ALL three 'out of
touch' party leaders the worst poll ratings in history
The main thing stopping a revolution seems to be the belief that we are a functional democracy (which at least until 2010’s
elections) was widely held.
The second is the generalisation that most people engaged in protesting (in fact, throughout the Western) are left-wing -far more so than the
populations they come from.
As a result, when they talk about things like occupy London Stock Exchange they draw a crowd but a very, very small one (against the wider populations
numbers). They have good arguments, and a well-established class of disgruntled intellectuals but their intelligencer is just not focussed on (and
indeed is quite often at odds with) wider public opinion.
Briton is a very right-wing, population, and the first way to know this is by our viewing newspaper sales:
Anyone familiar with UK newspapers will
know the left-wing ones are: The Independent, Guardian, I (a tabloid), Daily Record, and Daily Mirror (a tabloid)
Out of a 2012’s combined, daily sales rate, of 9,699,461 newspaper just 20.41% (1,980,215) come from these “left wing” papers with 55.69% of
that number coming from one newspaper (The Daily Mirror –frequently nicknamed the Daily Moron because it often has next to no (political) news, and
the politics has is as biased as anything from the right-wing Sun
7 Bones of Contention, that Can Spark a Real Revolution…
1. EU referendum
82% want an EU referendum within a year:
The survey by Populus for The Times found almost half - 49 per cent -
wanted a referendum immediately while a further third - 33 per cent - believed there should be one "in the next few years".
Fewer than a fifth - 18 per cent - saw no need for a referendum in the foreseeable future.
The European inflates the cost of supermarket food (with nearly its budget spent on CAP –subsidies for farmers) it costs more in membership than the
UK gets out, creates frequently unwelcome bureaucracy, and interferes with the British legal system –often against what is democratically popular.
Under its existence multi-million tonnes of perfectly edible fish have been dumped into the water –not because they are plentiful, but precisely
because they are endangered. The scandal is due to be changed (after over 30 years) but hasn’t been yet:
As many as two-thirds of fish in
some areas are thrown back dead into the sea, including half of all fish caught in the North Sea, according to some estimates. This is the result of
the EU's common fisheries policy (CFP), under which fleets are awarded a quota of each species they may catch. When they catch more than their quota,
or species for which they do not have a quota, they throw the excess back – but they are usually dead.
Many think the total cost of EU membership at 65 billion –around 8% of total government spending
under our membership fish British stocks are at least 17 times lower than Victorian times
Under the “free movement of people” Britain is powerless to prevent EU immigrants taking unskilled jobs (even though there aren’t enough, and
we’re in recession).
Meanwhile one way the EU inflates food prices is by “food dumping” (destroying the agriculture sectors of third world nations, by selling
Europe’s food, at a lower price, than it cost even Europe to produce).
“EU referendum Obstruction” is an issue that could easily unite the police & army against the government. Do the left-wing touch it? Not at
Almost everybody, considers opposing membership as a right wing issue (support for a referendum is highest with the Conservatives, barely a
majority with Labour members, less with the Liberal Democrats). But the vast majority of all MP’s (in all parties) oppose it (since they are neither
democratic, nor representative) www.telegraph.co.uk...
2. Inability to Pay taxation:
Everybody realises government must tax for its existence. But few agree with taxes that take zero account
of your personal earning. In the UK these are: Council Tax (something even those renting a house pay) Business Rates (you can have run a shop,
employed 20 people, had a bad year, and then get landed with a £7000 bill based on your premises value. Its payable regardless of your circumstance
VAT (supposed to be a tax on luxury items, it even adds 20% to the cost of adults clothing –are our poor supposed to go around in children’s
Petrol: This tax costs far more than the cost of maintaining our roads. Often justified as a “green tax” the fact is government is removing the
tax subsidies on petrol for public transport. This is from 2010 (before the cuts were implemented)
3. End Welfare Without Work
Almost everybody believes (able bodied) people, on long-term, welfare should do some
work, for their
community, in exchange for the government help they receive. The tiniest minority supports exploitation, but the idea of some work is popular
Doing work is psychologically good for the beholder
It means more money is available –either to the unemployed or e.g. government in other areas, like the NHS
It would almost completely eliminate welfare fraud.
Yet the “cross party consensus” i.e. dictatorship (and it really is a dictatorship in almost every sense of the word) is against offering our
people this option –yep even the option of working for extra benefits. Rather the government forbids people on UK welfare from working, and they can
& do go to prison if caught (it’s called “cheating” even if work is so limited, they are actually richer on benefits than in work).
4. Foreign Aid
The vast majority want the government practiced abolished, and left to individuals.
SEVEN out of 10 voters want Britain’s spending on foreign aid frozen or slashed.
And 43 per cent want to scrap it entirely, a new poll reveals today.
David Cameron has vowed to increase Britain’s foreign aid budget to more than £12billion by 2013 while ordering most other Government departments
to make drastic spending cuts. www.express.co.uk...
Last year the government
ring-fenced only two areas of its budgetary spending; the NHS and the Department for International Development (i.e. aid). Healthcare has, and always
will be, a major priority for British taxpayers, whereas recent opinion polls have shown foreign aid to be of far less concern.
But again (through another “cross party consensus” “Conservative
” Chancellor George Osborne was able to increase funding –whilst
everything else was cut.
5. Arms Exports
Figures show that the UK spending on foreign aid will rise by 50 per cent, increasing from £8.4billion this year to
£12.6billion in 2014 – equal to £479 for every household in Britain.
At the same time as reducing public spending, saying we care about the poor (but actually leaving countries even
statistically poorer with our billions in aid, than without it: Read exactly how direct from a Zambian woman here
Your charity (UK Plc) exports more munitions (per head of population) than any other country in the world. See here where these killing machines are
exported to (interactive map):
Meanwhile (when David Cameron became the first Western leader to visit Egypt after Mubarak’s overthrow) when he took 5 arms dealers with him, in his
diplomatic entourage (to do doggy deals with a temporary government)
David Cameron was last night accused of using his Middle East tour to promote Arab democracy as a cover for arms sales.
Prime Minister David Cameron visited Egypt last month with an entourage of arms dealers in tow because he wanted to "make sure that this is a genuine
transition from military rule to civilian rule". weekly.ahram.org.eg...
This is the same man (who as well as passionately arguing for increased “foreign aid”) also has the political audacity, to please left-wingers by
saying “Britain is responsible for a many of the world’s problems”
With a piece of …. like him around, and him just representative of our 3 identical leaders, I’d imagine he’s one to know –after all he’s
personally causing many of the worlds problems!!!
We British realise governments sometimes must export munitions to all kinds of regimes. However (being one of the world’s most 8th most charitable
country) (without foreign aid!!!) www.guardian.co.uk...
and from those I’ve spoken almost
everybody I’ve spoken to is against making a profit
on munitions exports to non-democratic
nations. Yes by all means export munitions
to them, but do it through the government so that it only serves recognised political objectives –accountable to our own democracy.
6. Inability to deport dangerous criminals
Often the EU prevents Britain deporting the worst possible criminals e.g…
One of America's most-wanted paedophiles can walk the streets of Britain a free man after the High Court ruled that extraditing him to the
US would breach his human rights.
Shawn Sullivan was reprieved by the same court that ruled Asperger’s sufferer Gary McKinnon should be sent to America despite evidence he may
The 43-year-old Sullivan, who was on Interpol’s most-wanted list, is now free to walk our streets without supervision
The UK Border Agency has reacted with fury to a court ruling allowing a Sudanese asylum seeker who raped a 12-year-old girl to remain
in Britain. www.huffingtonpost.co.uk...
A Nigerian rapist escaped
deportation yesterday after European judges ruled he had a right to a ‘private life’ in Britain.
Of course it applies to
less serious crimes too
5. Cat Gate,
Right mess: Albanian robber can't be deported... because of HIS human rights
Florian Abazi sneaked back into Britain to commit more crimes - and has been allowed to stay because he had a child with an English woman
A judge allowed
an illegal immigrant to dodge deportation because he feared separating him from his cat risked ‘serious emotional consequences’, it emerged
We fought for our freedom during WW2 but were rewarded with a liberal suppressor –incidentally or not, covering almost exactly the same territory
once held by Nazi Germany.
So if anybody begins a revolution on the basis that we British “do not like vile, foreign criminals” you will have so many people come out of
their housing estate that it would culminate with David Cameron, Michael Howards, and Williams Hague’s Balls all being publically crucified on the
cross –never mind what would happen to “our” other Lib Dem & Labour Party “leaders”.
7. Foreign Wars Generally –most notably Afghanistan
I don’t believe our foreign wars are as important (to most people) as the first 5 issues. Nevertheless the public is far from happy about them.
The reason why over 425 British soldiers have died in Afghanistan (see pictures & names here) is not to bring Afghanistan democracy
.If that had been the case we would simply have armed, and vaguely assisted the Northern Alliance
–back in 2001 (before leaving their country within a year or two later). But alas these guys (who had
been fighting the Taliban long before we put a foot on Afghan soil) wanted a type of tribal democracy would have been fitting to their culture. Whilst
the Western powers wanted a Western democracy –something history has time and time again shown always
fails in Tribal Society’s. The
closest example of it ever working is South Africa –a place which (despite fair ballot counting) is now virtually a one party (ANC) state.
Nor did we invade to tackle heroin production which has risen 61% between 2011 & 2012 alone
Because (if we sincerely cared about heroine production) then this fungus which only tackles opium poppies and developed in 1998, would have been
released years ago news.bbc.co.uk...
Instead US embassy cables reveal we are fully aware our Afghan President Karzai is actively involved in heroine dealing (by selectively
“pardons” to those even Afghan justice catches
In April, President Karzai pardoned five border policemen who were caught with 124 kilograms of heroin in their border police vehicle. The
policemen, who have come to be known as the Zahir Five,, were tried, convicted and sentenced to terms of 16 to 18 years each at the Central Narcotics
Tribunal. But President Karzai pardoned all five of them on the grounds that they were distantly related to two individuals who had been martyred
during the civil war. www.guardian.co.uk...
No wonder why Afghanistan is a failed mess, never
mind state! Forever hooked on expensive, allied support.
How To Start A Revolution
Before announcing a protest date, first gather 0.25% of the population support through online partition (i.e. about 1 in 400 people). Forget
“occupy” I want a protest even the best state propagandist would have trouble slandering i.e....
A protest for For A Functional Democracy Itself!
(As defined by long overdue referendums actually being held).
0.28% is enough to twice overwhelm UK prison capacity, and (although most original signatories wouldn’t be true to their own commitments) the
publicity, plus popular political nature, means more than 0.25% will participate. That’s only the start: The longer the protest the more people owe
–the harder it is to given in, and the more people who will join in.
Why Violence Can’t Work…
Violence and politics mix about as well as fire and petrol. It’s not that they don’t mix, just greatly impoverish all sides. In this fashion,
armed resistance is (historically) one of the most costly, least rewarding, political activities.
Assassination is the worst. The strange, almost paranormal fact about this course of action, is even when it does work e.g…
At least 7 attempts history.stackexchange.com...
at least 8 attempts…
Prior to this year, there have been at-least 8 recorded unsuccessful assassination attempts against Gadhafi.
And here you can actually see the photo of a bomb that failed to explode in a house were Gaddafi was resident, in this still unofficial NATO attempt
survived 27 attempts…
D. Saddam Hussein
literally hundreds, in 1991 alone…
In the 1991 war, allied forces launched 260 air attacks on "leadership" targets, such as bunkers, party headquarters and military command
centers, in an attempt to eliminate Saddam and his top aides. abcnews.go.com...
became known for his paranoia, which was not unjustified, considering he had survived at least seven assassination attempts.
And least two 2003 rense.com...
E. Castro up 683 www.guardian.co.uk...
For almost 50 years, Fidel Castro has relished telling audiences large and small of the hundreds of assassination attempts he has survived.
Successful assassination tends (far more often than not) backfires. Either by leading even worse people into power, or by making history take less
obvious, till then unforeseen, courses. A book covering all major, modern assassinations Terminate With Extreme Prejudice
makes this very clear
–not through opinion, just through the facts. www.amazon.co.uk...
Military Coups: But power often corrupts their most moralistic objectives. Coups work best, when they’re most bloodless (both during & afterwards).
Anyone wanting to start a revolution should first study history –particularly Ghandi of India. One man kicked that British Empire out of India
without killing so much one person. Extreme, torturous, and generally quite evil violence was used against many of his own supporters, but the more we
British turned to violence, the shorter our time in India (ultimately) became.
Had Ghandi supported armed resistance, extreme, brutal violence, would still have been used against his supporters; but there would have been much
more of it (not only for him, but of course avoidable British deaths too).
Study how the Ireland gained Independence in just two years 6 months. en.wikipedia.org...
used by all sides, but the way it most benefitted the Irish cause, is when the British retaliated with far more of it-evil, than they ever committed.
They benefitted because the British were more violent than they were –not really because they were violent!
In The End:
It was collective, civil disobedience, which truly turned history in their favour (just as Ghandi had realised in India).
And the biggest, most effective act, they ever committed, is when they got the Irish people to refuse to pay their taxes to Britain, (and instead
their own local governments).