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Topic started on 13-10-2004 @ 11:17 AM by elevatedone
The Food and Drug Administration on Wednesday approved an implantable computer chip that can pass a patient's medical details to doctors, speeding care. The chip is the size of a grain of rice and is implanted simply by the pinch of a small injection - no stitches or scars.





www.cnn.com
It's the first time the FDA has approved the use of the device, though in Mexico, more than 1,000 scannable chips have been implanted in patients. The chip's serial number pulls up the patients' blood type and other medical information.

With the pinch of a syringe, the microchip is inserted under the skin in a procedure that takes less than 20 minutes and leaves no stitches.

Silently and invisibly, the dormant chip stores a code -- similar to the identifying UPC code on products sold in retail stores -- that releases patient-specific information when a scanner passes over the chip.

At the doctor's office those codes stamped onto chips, once scanned, would reveal such information as a patient's allergies and prior treatments.

Delray Beach, Florida-based Applied Digital Solutions in July asked the FDA for approval to use the implantable chip for medical uses in the United States. The agency had 60 days to reply to the "de novo" application.



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While certainly fast medical service is most always wanted and sometimes needed, this is great news.

The chip has been used for a number of security-related tasks as well as for pure whimsy: Club hoppers in Barcelona, Spain, now use the microchip much like a smartcard to speed drink orders and payment.

However a lot of controversy could follow this medical breakthrough, as on the internet, conspiracy theorists and others might feel that this is something bigger, as in "big brother" keeping tabs on the people.


[edit on 14-10-2004 by Banshee]


reply posted on 13-10-2004 @ 01:45 PM by lmgnyc
Originally posted by sanctum
O.K.!?
So if this chip is supposedly 'dormant' what real use does it have medically? Very little because we
all 'age'. Therefore if someone broke their leg (for example) today and was implanted with that chip and information, and five years later suffered a totally unrelated medical emergency or urgent issue
the first thing the medico's would do is scan the 'domant chip' for past medical history.

In this senario, it would only waste precious time. Unless the chip could be updated by the scanner,
which would make it an active chip rather than a dormant chip.

All sounds very Orwellian to me.

Sanc'.


I believe the chip works much like the ones in my cats, which are made by the same company, BTW. The actual chip doesn't contain the information, but an ID#, which would be attached to your medical file, contained in a national (or global) database. This database would be accessed by every medical professional and every time you visited a doctor, hospital, pharmacist, psychiatrist, etc, it would be updated.

By scanning the chip, the doctor would be able to access your entire medical history. The advantage is that if you are incapacitated, an EMT or emergency room tech would know everything about you, not to mention facillitating HMO billing, but the disadvantages are obvious--big brother type surveillence.

Electronic medical databases are already in use, BTW, although it will take quite a while to complete a national system. Many HMOs have systems in place to keep track of care and ease billing--I was surprised to see such a system in place when I accompanied my father on a doctor's visit. The HMO doctor had a computer in each examination room and using my father's insurance card, he was able to pull up not only his record with this doctor, but also specialists and his pharmacy record. Government regulation has been passed that calls for a national database system to be built, and this goes along with assigning everyone national ID #'s.

The thought of having an ID # that not only accesses my medical history, but will be used to link up my credit history, address, travel patterns, family/friends/business associates, phone records, tax returns, income, bank accounts, purchase history, and any other information about me is somewhat disconcerting because I will have no control over who has access to it. This information can and will be sold and searched by strangers for everything from homeland security to marketing purposes. The potential for abuse is high, as well as the need for extremely high security. Being that they system is controlled by the government (or even a corporation), these issues worry me.

What is even more chilling is the thought of having my national ID # implanted in my body, which can be scanned remotely. This is all years off, but think of sci-fi movies like Minority Report where personalized holographic ads are beamed at you (or at billboards near you) by scanning your ID # and accessing your purchase history and net worth. Or even more sinister purposes, and perhaps I am being paranoid, but perhaps a kidnapper would be able to access your personal information using a handheld device and determining if your family can pay a high ransom if you are kidnapped.

Just considering the use for medical purposes, the possibility for abuse is also there. Employers can secretly scan your medical history and determine if you would raise their insurance premiums or if you have any medical/psychological conditions that would make you a poor choice for employment. Life insurance companies can do the same thing.

I think it is naive to consider only the benefits of a centralized database of information and an implant, especially when the issue of who is controlling the information is entered into the equation.


reply posted on 13-10-2004 @ 04:15 PM by AceWombat04
My main concern over this is that it seems redundant. The articles I've read speak of benefits such as doctors being able to know our past medical history, allergies, etc. I don't know about anyone else, but my doctor is already intimately familiar with my medical history. That's why she's my doctor. When I have to drop in suddenly and she isn't there, her covering doctor has all my files and charts at her fingertips in my clinic's database, and in written form. In the event that I was overseas or visiting a hospital other than my clinic (or in the event that I was incapacitated and couldn't communicate my medical history), there are already fairly quick means of acquiring medical files (atleast in every hospital I've ever been to, it wasn't an issue at all).

Even in cases where that isn't true (as I'm sure there must be some), there are far less expensive ways to achieve the same results as those the chip is aiming for. The fact that it can (atleast essentialy) double as a credit card if properly programmed makes me uneasy as well. I'm not sure why, actualy. It isn't for any religious reason. Call me crazy (why not, everyone I know does lol), but it just does.

On an added note, I'm something of a skeptic when it comes to the whole alien abduction phenomenon. Because of that, I'm not trying to assert anything here. However, whether the accounts are correct or false, I seem to remember seeing alleged x-rays of "alien implants" that bore a striking resemblance to this new chip. I distinctly remember seeing something having the same shape, and with the same small bulge at one end. For those who put weight into those things, I think that's interesting (and probably a bit unsettling).

[edit on 13-10-2004 by AceWombat04]


reply posted on 13-10-2004 @ 04:31 PM by lmgnyc
The precursor to National ID cards (which include the concept of a national ID #) just passed through Congress as part of the intelligence-reform bill. Driver's licenses will be entered into a national database with Canada and Mexico and although the intention supposedly isn't to create a database of personal information, it does exactly that. The follow-on effect is that other information will be attached to this ID# and presto--big brother is watching (and querying.)

While there is obviously a lot of resistance to the big brother database concept, it really does seem inevitable because it is already being partially done by credit bureaus, market research firms, internet providers, HMO's, and anyone that can profit off of collecting your information. The need for the government to access this information in an efficient way became apparent after 9/11, and the Patriot Act cleared the path for the government to have more freedom to do these searches--and to act upon the information they find, even if it is circumstantial. Why were the provisions to be able to check the books people are reading put into the Patriot Act in the first place? I'm sure that John Ashcroft isn't compiling his own bestseller list.

The implants are the scary part--and I'm sure there will be a lot of resistance to them. At first. But you can imagine the special incentives that will be offered if you get the implants-- someone mentioned that a club in Spain is using implants to allow patrons to pay for drinks--and of course they are enticed with access to VIP-only lounges and freebies. I envision banks using implants instead of cards (more secure!) and offering fee-less transactions or higher interest rates and grocery stores offering special coupons and discounts for people that have implants. Of course, all of your transaction information will be fed into the big computer.

The efficiency will become undeniable--and the incentives too great for most people to not get implanted. It won't be mandatory, just don't expect to get on a plane, buy anything, eat or use electricity if you don't have one.


reply posted on 14-10-2004 @ 03:29 PM by elevatedone
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Privacy advocates are concerned that an implantable microchip designed to help doctors tap into a patient's medical records could undermine confidentiality or could even be used to track the patient's movements.

"If privacy protections aren't built in at the outset, there could be harmful consequences for patients," said Emily Stewart, a policy analyst at the Health Privacy Project.

The Food and Drug Administration said Wednesday that Applied Digital Solutions of Delray Beach, Florida, could market the VeriChip, an implantable computer chip about the size of a grain of rice, for storing medical information.

www.cnn.com...

The VeriChip itself contains no medical records, just codes that can be scanned and revealed in a doctor's office or hospital. With that code, doctors can unlock part of a secure database that holds the patient's medical information, including allergies and prior treatment. The electronic database, not the chip, would be updated with each medical visit.

The microchips have already been implanted in 1 million pets. But the chip's possible use to track people's movements -- in addition to speeding delivery of medical information to emergency rooms -- has raised alarm.
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