reply to post by DarknStormy
The State was built on stealing land from another group of people (with the help of England and co) who are now oppressed by the very people
who stole it.
They didn't steal anything. Israel is often blamed for stealing that land, but that blame - if it even exists, since their "right" to be in
Jerusalem was agreed in a U.N. assembly meeting - is on all of us. Not them, not "nations other than my own", but all of us.
We can shrug our shoulders and pretend we have no connections to it, but taking responsibility for our mistakes is a huge step into making thing's
better. And this applies to us, Israel and everyone involved. The West failed in keeping peace as much as any other member of the Arab league.
I'm not sure about what you said regarding the oppression. You think Israel is being oppressed? Might misread it.
And you wonder why people show a little bit of sympathy for the likes of Iran etc... Most of their arguments concern Palestine but obviously
that is something you continuesly overlook.
I do have sympathy for Iran, and I have said multiple times that I actually think Iran has(or had, depending on how things unfold in the near future)
the opportunity to be a great example for the whole Middle East, even to those nations who are allied with the West.
They still have a long path to walk, but we were all there once. Nobody is born with wisdom. That applies to individuals and nations, since they are
composed of individuals.
But having that said, I'm not afraid to said that I also have sympathy for Israel, despite all their wrong doings.
I try to do what any human who praises peace and harmony should do, in my opinion... I put myself in "their shoes", and I wonder how I would feel
like if I was born and raised in a country, or community, where my own history would be filled with accounts of persecution, discrimination and
constant acts of aggression.
I can only imagine - and it's not a fun thing to imagine - how Israelis and jews around the world feel, when they notice that all throughout their
history (past and present) everyone seems "out to get them".
However, trying to see the side of Israel doesn't mean I'm blind to Palestine, Iran, or any Middle Eastern country. I just disagree with their
pro-aggression nature. Maybe they are entitled to it, maybe they even have reasons to it, but if we are going to put a label on Israel for "stealing
land", then you also have to put a label on the Arab league for "not giving peace a chance".
Remember, the day after the U.N. resolution was passed, the Arab League started hostilities and a Civil War broke out. Before that, there was a
genuine and credible chance for peaceful resolution.
We have multiple cases where peaceful resolutions were adopted, and we have multiple independent states that live successfully inside other states.
Palestine had the real chance of that with the first resolution in the 40's, there was even a part dedicated to recognize Palestine as a state, and
that's more than what they have today.
Iran are not planning to nuke Israel. How can they when they do not have nukes? If anything, Israel will nuke Iran with their illegal arsenal
I disagree with that logic.
If it's plausible to assume that Israel will nuke Iran for whatever reasons, people can argue the opposite and it will also be true, or at least
plausible. We can't put the whole blame or responsibility in a single nation.
We might not know if Iran is going to nuke Israel, but the case about them pursuing nuclear weapons isn't get any weaker.
As for Israel illegal arsenal, it's not illegal. It would be if Israel was a NPT member, which they are not.
I don't agree with that, I think that all nations should be convinced to sign the NPT for humanitarian purposes as much as we want all nations to
sign environment agreements, as an example. But since they are not in NPT, that clears them of having an "illegal" arsenal.
And by the way, Israel isn't the only one not being a part of the NPT.
Have Russia sent a shipment or something that you know and no-one else does?? Iran do not and will not have nukes for a very long time and that
is if they are even trying to develope them in the first place.
Russia didn't. But North Korea has supplied Iran with nuclear technology.
And we don't know if Iran has or is going to have nuclear weapons, that's why it's such a heated and uncertain debate to make.