Why Obama's Birth Certificate Doesn't Matter!

The truth of this just jumps out at ya after hearing this,hitting ya like a ton of bricks! Of course the BC wouldn't matter,since the country of the USA is technically a Corporation! No need for a president of a corporation to show their birth certificate,is there? Don't think so!

Having just listened to this excerpt,I felt compelled to share it with folks here. I don't know,if in all the Birth Certificate threads here if either side has come at the subject from this angle.

The thinking along these lines changes much of how we have to look at our reality.

Rense & Jordan Maxwell - Is It All Over? Part 2
www.youtube.com...

This link explains the situation better than I can....

"The United States Isn't a Country
— It's a Corporation!"

www.serendipity.li...

I think they said it best in the beginning of the first link..."It's all been an illusion!"

Wouldn't this explain why our elections are such a sham also? Since shareholders decide who will run a corporation,right? Are the choices we're given really more like auditions for those shareholders,to see who holds up the best in front of the people?

Sure seems that way.

Well.

I wonder who the stockholders are?

And, should we put all parties responsible on trial (posthumously) for treason?

Maybe this answers half of the questions.
As for the last question,I couldn't say!

Him releasing his birth certificate means nothing because anyone with an asshole aka, opinion, can get on TV and say its a fraud, and be taken seriously.

All you need is the illusion of discourse over something, to incite doubt.

reply to post by SamLuv


This thread is pointing out that all the drama of "Is he eligible?" or not are irrelevant.

A Corporation only concerns itself with the business of running the corporation.

So,yeah,it seems like the whole debate over 'The Birth Certificate" was just more Divide and Conquer tactics!

reply to post by SamLuv

Kinda like how anyone can put out a fabricated and layered Photoshop document and claim it's legitimate. Yup.. Indeed.. Both sides are in a pickle. It's a moot point though. Arizona fought this fight, they got their certification and they were legally satisfied after looking for reasons NOT to be. Works for me..

Maybe someday we'll find out WHAT about that document is so critical to hide. I figure daddy wasn't daddy as it's been presented.... Who knows... We absolutely won't while Obama has the full power of the Government behind him to block any access to that piece of paper.

Eligibility would seem to have been established though..so the rest is just public curiosity about how deep the questions really go for history's sake. Patience..and time... all will be known. It always is.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
We absolutely won't while Obama has the full power of the Government behind him to block any access to that piece of paper.

Funny, you also have the full power of the government to block access to your documents - so why have you done that, and what are you hiding?

reply to post by spoor
Your argument is utterly absurd.

Do you have one that might actually relate to topic and not a direct attack on another ATS member? It's a real habit with some folks lately, you know what I mean?

The fact of the matter is, I'm not the President. You aren't the FBI or any proper investigative body to be asking a private citizen...and as it happens, I have to show that document fairly regularly as I renew my drivers license or apply for and receive any of a number of other things in my life.

As the United States President, this information isn't optional. Not even remotely optional. In fact, of the requirements the United States Constitution literally lays out in black and white for THAT job, this is the ONLY Document called into question in terms of #1, proving one's age and #2 proving citizenship.

Again... Arizona clarified that, despite the forgery of layered garbage they passed off as copy of an original document. It wasn't even a very good job at forging it since it took less than 2 hours for the first analysis of the fraud to hit the airwaves. FAST by any standard.....sloppy beyond excuse. Again... It's moot because the ONLY thing that document HAS to show for the President has, apparently, been proven to those who had a legal right to demand it. Case Closed until he's out of Office.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by spoor

 

Your argument is utterly absurd.

No it is not - your documents are blocked exactly the same as Obama's - care to dispute that?

The fact of the matter is, I'm not the President.

You have exactly the same rights as the President regarding your personal records - care to dispute that?

.and as it happens, I have to show that document fairly regularly as I renew my drivers license or apply for and receive any of a number of other things in my life.

Exactly the same as Obama has.... care to dispute that?

. In fact, of the requirements the United States Constitution literally lays out in black and white for THAT job, this is the ONLY Document called into question in terms of #1, proving one's age and #2 proving citizenship

Care to show where in the constitution it states you must show a birth certificate.....

t, despite the forgery of layered garbage they passed off as copy of an original document. It wasn't even a very good job at forging it since it took less than 2 hours for the first analysis of the fraud to hit the airwaves.

Except none of these so called experts ever examined the document, and the layers have been explained many times

Birthers just refuse to accept that Obama is the legal POTUS, and will probably be re-elected.... so you will have to post your lies for another 4 years!

The citizenship of the POTUS does indeed matter. Even if it's a corporation as you suggest. The amount of loyalty of the POTUS (or CEO of the corporation) towards America determines how well the country (or corporation) will function. If the POTUS (or CEO) isn't totally dedicated to 'America First' ... then the country (or corporation) will suffer. Someone who isn't an American citizen or who has dual citizenship could easily have split loyalties. Split loyalties are bad for America (or corporations). So yes .. citizenship matters.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Who next?

If citizenship didn't matter then Arnold Schwarzenegger could be in the White House. That would lead down the road to utter madness.

reply to post by spoor

Okay, point #1. I have a thread linked in my signature. It applies VERY well to some people. Very well indeed. You might want to go check it and see how closely it may just apply in your case. I'll leave that, right there......


@1 As to your argument being absurd. THAT, sir, is a matter of my personal opinion. I have a right to mine as you have a right to yours. The fact you respect no one else's right to have one...without proof made 6 different ways while YOU offer nothing in return but this Spanish Inquisition act to anyone who *DARE* disagree with you is, in itself ABSURD. That, too, is my opinion. I have a right to it. This is still, for now, a free nation.


@2 As a matter of fact, no I DO NOT have the same rights to close my records as the President. If you knew anything about how records systems and databases of personal and private information operate in the United States, you'd be aware of the fact that there are different classes of protections. Police, for example can have *EVERYTHING* about them protected and blocked in some circumstances and in some states. Intelligence Officers essentially vanish from many databases entirely.

The President....ANY PRESIDENT...has enough flags placed on their data to light up Secret Service boards like a Christmas Tree gone haywire if some idiot starts running their name in a place that isn't openly accessible to the general public. A Private Investigators License is like a ticket to view the world.......and almost EVERYTHING about private citizens. Right up to a certain point. Have you read the agreements to services like Merlin or IRB? I have. They specify this things right out the gate and up front in plain language no one can miss. However, you think how you'd like on this. I wasn't one, my late father was and aside from making some extra money doing computer background invetigations for him from time to time, I just got done closing out his Estate as executor and dealing with those services. I DO know what I am talking about on this and in absolute terms.

Care to dispute? put up more than your opinions and challenges. Show something yourself for a change and back a challenge with proof there is actually a challenge to make at all.


@3 Next, I have no idea if Obama has shown it for a Drivers license. I'd presume he did just as I'd presume he'd had a B/C all this time. That proved to be correct...after one hell of a LOOOOONG public set of games and evasions before Arizona finally pinned it down and answered what HE could have answered in 2008. Clean and easy back then... but no, it was too profitable to play politics on and divide a nation. He's a weasel for that, by itself.


@4 Next,. The U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section 1 states as follows:

"No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States."

Now, the document doesn't say he has to produce a Birth Certificate. Although Obama is the *FIRST* one to outright refuse. Humphrey produced one as a Candidate and Eisenhower produced one on request as well. It's NOT unheard of or unprecedented. It's actually THE ONLY WAY to establish the fulfillment of the above stated requirements when they have been questioned. It took Obama to make a federal case out of a simple piece of paper everyone in this nation has. In context to this, by the way, the Constitution ALSO fails to say I have the Miranda warning as a right which MUST be read to me. It doesn't say I can own a machine gun, although with $200 and the time of getting the right permits, I certainly can. There are many things that document doesn't spell out and doesn't HAVE to.


@5 Lastly, your opinion of the B/C is your opinion and frankly, I have no respect for it after hearing it. I'm in my second college course on Photoshop and being trained professionally how to use the program as part of my undergraduate degree program. *I* can see PERSONALLY how badly handled the editing of that document was. I'm no expert YET and the experts who did testify under oath and in a federal court in Georgia DID examine the document. As attested to. If they lied... Good... Go see them prosecuted. By simply saying it, they committed a felony in a Federal Court. Have at it.

Now, our chat is over from my end until a reply has more than bumper sticker slogan, party talking points and opinions with absolutely nothing but your own personal thoughts as support to their accuracy or foundation. THIS reply was out of principle and the desire to set the record straight on a few plain points of law and fact.

Take Care.

The real kicker here is not that the BC is BS because of America being a corporation the kicker is that most people don't know enough history of the USA or really care if their President isn't a real natural born American or not.

I saw a video made in 2010 of Mrs Obama giving a speech and she said something along the lines of, " We visited Kena, My Husbands Home Country..." Hello People.. time to Wake Up.

Now, thousands of people heard and saw this speech amidst all this controversy thats been going on for years.. did anyone Rally? Did anyone Protest? I don't mean the regular Joe with a picket sign on the side walk.. I mean people with MONEY who have the power to wake up the nation and force the government to produce PROOF. People just don't care anymore.. its not important to them. Thats why they can take our freedoms away. thats why they can get away with murder and turn this country into a socialists play toy for the global elite.

You can't try and convict anyone if no one is willing to press charges. In this case, you cant do that unless the nation as a whole demands it. They know thats not gonna happen so they have already won.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
As a matter of fact, no I DO NOT have the same rights to close my records as the President.

Care to explain to all of us why you have closed them? Ordinary people are unable to obtain your passport, medical, school etc records, so why have you closed them? A simple question, please answer it.

Obama may have more safeguards, but your records are also sealed.... why?

answered what HE could have answered in 2008.

Obama did more to show his birth certificates than any other President, including showing it in 2008 - but you ignore that!

Although Obama is the *FIRST* one to outright refuse.

So please show us the following.... Carters, Clintons, both Bushs, Reagans, Fords Nixons etc - none of them had to show theirs to the public, so they must have refused as well. But as soon as the first black President comes along birthers start making all sorts of demands on him.

It took Obama to make a federal case out of a simple piece of paper everyone in this nation has

Obama never made a federal case out of it, he showed it in 2008, it is birthers who are making all the silly court cases. (and also losing all of them....)

professionally how to use the program as part of my undergraduate degree program. *I* can see PERSONALLY how badly handled the editing of that document was. I'm no expert YET and the experts who did testify under oath and in a federal court in Georgia DID examine the document. As attested to. If they lied...

You ignore the fact that those "experts" never even saw the document, and the court found their "evidence" was not proof at all - you "forget" that they lost all court cases where that "evidence" was presented. The funniest thing about the Georgia hearing was the birthers lost to a empty table! The judge also said

"The Court finds the testimony of the witnesses, as well as the exhibits tendered, to be of little, if any, probative value, and thus wholly insufficient to support plaintiffs’ allegations".

So the "experts" were not experts, and their evidence was not valid. It also shows you know bugger all about Photoshop!

the desire to set the record straight on a few plain points of law and fact

except you have not presented any law, and your facts are not actually facts but just silly conspiracy theories!

The plain and simple truth is, Obama's birth certificate doesn't matter, because he's already shown it. It's not his fault that a few holdout idiots still don't believe that it's real. Your opinion doesn't negate reality. Opinion has never negated reality.

It's been shown, he was born in Hawaii. Sorry folks. But he's really a natural born American citizen.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Sigh.

Your argument is utterly absurd.

He didn't make an argument. He made an assertion. Which happens to be correct by the way.

Do you have one that might actually relate to topic and not a direct attack on another ATS member? It's a real habit with some folks lately, you know what I mean?

He also asked a question. Do you not have an answer? Your records are protected by exactly the same laws (or State equivalent) as Obama's. Why are you hiding them?

The fact of the matter is, I'm not the President. You aren't the FBI or any proper investigative body to be asking a private citizen...and as it happens, I have to show that document fairly regularly as I renew my drivers license or apply for and receive any of a number of other things in my life.

You have to show your Birth Certificate every time you renew your drivers license? Really? I had to do that when I got my learner's permit in Arizona, and never again. Even when I moved to California, they didn't ask for my Birth Certificate or any ID other beyond my current Arizona driver's license. Aren't you being just a tad disingenuous here?

As the United States President, this information isn't optional. Not even remotely optional. In fact, of the requirements the United States Constitution literally lays out in black and white for THAT job, this is the ONLY Document called into question in terms of #1, proving one's age and #2 proving citizenship.

First, the Constitution does not require a Birth Certificate. Birth Certificates as we know them didn't even exist in America until 100 years after the Constitution was written.

Second, nobody has ever asked any other President in history for their Birth Certificate. Not once. And no other President in history has released their birth certificate, let alone in two different formats.

The Constitution provides for Congress to satisfy itself that the President (and Vice President) is eligible. No other 'official' body has any authority in this matter what-so-ever. Not the Courts. Public opinion enters into it only in voting booth. End of story.

Again... Arizona clarified that, despite the forgery of layered garbage they passed off as copy of an original document. It wasn't even a very good job at forging it since it took less than 2 hours for the first analysis of the fraud to hit the airwaves. FAST by any standard.....sloppy beyond excuse. Again... It's moot because the ONLY thing that document HAS to show for the President has, apparently, been proven to those who had a legal right to demand it. Case Closed until he's out of Office.

Arizona didn't clarify any such thing, in fact they clarified exactly the opposite. The Arizona Secretary of State obtained verification from the Hawai'i Department of Health that every piece of information on the document published by the White House was correct. That information includes " #1, proving one's age and #2 proving citizenship." by the way. Specifically, the date of birth and the location of birth are printed on the document, and that information was verified by the Hawai'i.

The PDF is not a forgery and the 'layers' you mention are normal (though they are technically not layers). The physical document that the White House scanned so they could publish it on the internet is indeed a genuine Hawai'ian Birth Certificate. That is where the title of the thread is accurate: the Birth Certificate doesn't matter. . The format of the document doesn't matter, standard ("short form") or non-standard ("long form"). Physical document that you can hold in your hand, or scanned image that you can read on your computer screen.

What matters is the INFORMATION on the Birth Certificate, specifically the Birth Date and the Birth Location. And that information has been officially verified by the State of Hawai'i close to dozen times

The one thing that you are (almost) right about is your "Case Closed" comment. Its actually closed until the end of time, because there is just no chance that Obama is in any way ineligible. Sore losers wishful thinking not withstanding, Obama is President of the United States.

Originally posted by HauntWok
The plain and simple truth is, Obama's birth certificate doesn't matter, because he's already shown it. It's not his fault that a few holdout idiots still don't believe that it's real. Your opinion doesn't negate reality. Opinion has never negated reality.

It's been shown, he was born in Hawaii. Sorry folks. But he's really a natural born American citizen.

It has NOT been shown that he was born in Hawaii. The proof has never been made public. Why? Because it does not exist! The certificate released by the White House is a proven forgery made on a computer. The real idiots are those who don't want to lose face by admitting that they were wrong all along .....