I do remember when the x-files were on tv and someone interviewed producer Chris Carter and he was told be serveral individuals that he (Chris Carter) does'nt know how close to the truth many of the episodes really are.

This is an amazing assortment you have taken the time to gather, thank you it makes for much easier reference. Its not surprising in the least, they aren't hiding from us they're just smart and the people ignorant. But many people are opening their eyes, so one day we may have justice. The people.

Originally posted by saladfingers123456
For such a highly flagged thread, it seems to have slipped off the front page with extreme speed... while others with no where near as much interest still sit there. A conspiracy in itself? Or am I misunderstanding how this new front page works?

no, dude, dis info agents out number civilians 5;1.--their numbers!

I think it’s clear that there has historically and recently been a trend, or an agenda if you prefer, which has as its end global consolidation and governance. But I have some doubts as to how integrated, consistent, persistent, and organized that agenda truly has been.

Many people involved in this agenda historically, including some of those quoted herein, have had profound philosophical and political differences and even conflicts. Take Kissenger and Brzezinski for instance. Both have been bandied about as prime movers in these ostensibly secret circles and their aims, but both disagreed over how to proceed in numerous affairs of state and on the international stage. Particularly during the Cold War. And these divisions are often clearly not merely for public consumption, but drive real policy and result in conflicting implications.

So I think it’s worth considering that while there appears to be a clear agenda and trend over time, it may not be the unified, cohesive conspiracy many envision it as being. The larger agenda itself may indeed be the sole shared ideal, and the methods, means, philosophical outlooks, and practical implementation may vary over time, with different names, faces, circles, and centers of power.

It is human nature for there to emerge divergent positions in any sufficiently large group of cooperating individuals, and so it seems improbable to me that such a cohesive agenda could be so specifically and systematically shared for so long by so many.

That does not discount the possibility, or even the likelihood - as seems clear based on existing evidence - of a shared agenda in principle, however. Something along the lines of, "we will when the opportunity presents itself, attempt to use what means are available to us as captains of industry, finance, and politics, to drive humanity sociologically, psychologically, financially, and politically toward a unified global governance or at least some measure of unified global control and interdependency." What that means to each individual among their ranks might mean very different things, as it would no doubt to each of us.

Originally posted by AceWombat04
I think it’s clear that there has historically and recently been a trend, or an agenda if you prefer, which has as its end global consolidation and governance. But I have some doubts as to how integrated, consistent, persistent, and organized that agenda truly has been.

Many people involved in this agenda historically, including some of those quoted herein, have had profound philosophical and political differences and even conflicts. Take Kissenger and Brzezinski for instance. Both have been bandied about as prime movers in these ostensibly secret circles and their aims, but both disagreed over how to proceed in numerous affairs of state and on the international stage. Particularly during the Cold War. And these divisions are often clearly not merely for public consumption, but drive real policy and result in conflicting implications.

So I think it’s worth considering that while there appears to be a clear agenda and trend over time, it may not be the unified, cohesive conspiracy many envision it as being. The larger agenda itself may indeed be the sole shared ideal, and the methods, means, philosophical outlooks, and practical implementation may vary over time, with different names, faces, circles, and centers of power.

It is human nature for there to emerge divergent positions in any sufficiently large group of cooperating individuals, and so it seems improbable to me that such a cohesive agenda could be so specifically and systematically shared for so long by so many.

That does not discount the possibility, or even the likelihood - as seems clear based on existing evidence - of a shared agenda in principle, however. Something along the lines of, "we will when the opportunity presents itself, attempt to use what means are available to us as captains of industry, finance, and politics, to drive humanity sociologically, psychologically, financially, and politically toward a unified global governance or at least some measure of unified global control and interdependency." What that means to each individual among their ranks might mean very different things, as it would no doubt to each of us.

edit on 9/1/2012 by AceWombat04 because: Typo

This is probably the most intelligent view on the subject I've ever read.

It really sheds light on the whole thing, and on our own ideas regarding whatever NWO there might be. People's own fears and beliefs about this tend to be actually quite simplistic, as if NWO has this perfectly executed plan with no problems whatsoever.

There ARE problems. First of all, according to a few things I've read, they were supposed to have done a lot more by now than they have, in something like 2008.

There could easily be faction within their ranks that seek to destroy some of their plans, and why not? Some of the people who disagree with them, but are already PART of them have enough power and influence to be ABLE to destroy certain plans.

Not to mention that the amount of information that's out there now for the general public is far too rampant for them to carry out many things. I don't think they saw the Internet coming.

Personally, I believe it when I've read that many of them have given up the grander idea because they're realizing that it's becoming impossible.

And I still believe what I always say: not once in history has such a plan ever been successful for any amount of time. There is # that humans will never put up with.

The BASIC plan is rooted in insanity, and attempted by what amounts to as insane individuals. For that very reason, despite all their power, intelligence, money, their own illusions prevent them from seeing their own inevitable failure.

I think one of the elements people have to really think about is that people believe what they want to because what they believe has meaning and value for them. To believe without question that we are doomed and powerless says a lot about the individual espousing that belief.

Amazing thread.

Saved in my favorites for when i have more time to read everything and watch the documentaries i haven't already seen.

Many thanks

If I were to guess...I would say either the Bilderbergers, or Military Industrial Complex or both for that matter. The current Pope of Rome has asked for in so many words; one leader to rule over Europe to specifically solve the financial issues, this leader may temporarily solve the same issues in the U.S. That leads me to believe the U.S. may be pushed into joining the E.U. or a soon to be reformed E.U. or U.N. really not difficult to accept, the U.S. is already a member of the U.N. and NATO.

Many Bible Prophecy students, pastor's, preacher's and the like believe that soon Europe will turn into a "Ten Nation Confederacy", ten leaders will control Ten Countries and one Supreme Leader will head The Ten.
The U.S. Federal Govt. is complex with many Law Enforcement Agencies and Armed Forces, Active, Inactive, Active Reserves, Reserves, Inactive Reserves, Guard and Special Forces/Special Operations along with State and Local Police.

Last time I researched U.S. (IC) Intelligence Community, there were 16; "Good Grief", most I have never even heard of, but there they are and have been for awhile now.

If a One World Govt. is looming on the horizon; I just hope that it will not turn out like the movie "Soylent Green"...aaaaaaah )......by the way, what are Jalapeño Cheez It Crackers really made of??? Hmmm...No but on a serious note, there are most likely many Military, (IC) and Law Enforcement employees being compartmentalized for (SAP) Special Access Programs. I once heard a comment, something along the lines as: "out of all satellites in orbit, 90% are looking back at Earth, you would think they would looking into space".

You quoted Benjamin Disraeli from his 1840's book.

Did you know that Disraeli is the architect of the 20th century's World Wars? Russia and Germany used to be allies, but Disraeli (a Rothschild stooge) drove a wedge between them (long story) so that the Globalists could pit the two powers against each other and destroy both of them.

Personally I feel some of those quotes are taken out of context. Some may be referring to organized crime or even organized commerce, but I don't necessarily believe the author particularly meant "Illuminati."

People love to bash the bankers all the time and say they are behind the Illuminati. But the real truth is that banks fail all the time....even big ones.

the real truth is that there IS no "Illuminati" as most people know it, talk about it, or recognize it on this site. There are powerful people in the world who try to create allies in business, government, etc... A real world survivor scenario on the business front. There is also organized crime who ALWAYS operates in secret. And while these things sometimes operate in tandem, it isn't always that way and it isn't for the purpose of some shadowy secret cabal who is trying to control humanity. Oh, I'm sure there is some rich (or poor) nutcase out there with those illusions of grandeur. But the wealthy, as a whole, simply don't operate under that concept.