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reply posted on 28-8-2012 @ 04:53 PM by zeeon
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by fnpmitchreturns


From the way I read it .... it was regarding the next election if Mittens was president he could pick the delegates from the states which he won the electoral vote.... but it might be convention votes... that I am not sure of


It was actually that any candidate that won delegates from a state could appoint their own delegates instead of them being elected from the precincts.

Not just for Romney or the eventual winner...but for all candidates. This would prevent a situation where Canidate A gets 80% of the popular vote of the state, but candidate B games the system and gets his supporters elected as 60% of the delegates.

It's to ensure the will of the people is honored...I think it seems like a good system. It prevents shenanigans.


That's all well and fine for a primary system, but completely negates why we have caucus's. Given that a particular voting system is accurate - in a pure democracy which I'd like to point out the United States is not - and using a primary system of allocating delegates, then this rule does make sense.

When in the context of caucus's it's completely wrong. Paul's been accused of "gaming the system" as you put it - but the caucus system was designed to work that way. Paul clearly stated at the beginning of the primaries that it was his intent to use the caucus system to his advantage, as it should be. IMHO the beauty of a caucus system is that through debate, selection and communication the delegate representation is vetted much more thoroughly then through the primary system where voters typically use the MSM for their sources of decision making information. I think that's a good thing.


reply posted on 28-8-2012 @ 04:55 PM by mbkennel
Originally posted by pajoly
reply to post by OutKast Searcher


I added other links. This is all about Romney...and preventing another Ron Paul like insurgency. But as another poster mentioned, this shows who the real insurgent is. Basically it is a GOP coup of the establishment against the grass roots. Let's see how his "base" likes this. Man, I'd love to see a good old fashioned floor fight.


It happened before. In 1912, Theodore Roosevelt won all the primaries (which were a new institution at the time). Nevertheless, the party cut some backroom deals and nominated Taft. Roosevelt bolted and ran as 3rd party.

In the end, Woodrow Wilson won, T. Roosevelt is on Mount Rushmore, and Taft is known as the fattest President ever.
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reply posted on 28-8-2012 @ 04:57 PM by zeeon
reply to post by jaws1975


I have to agree with you here. You bring up an interesting point....if Romney were really the nominee then there wouldn't be any question. I can't remember the last primary that was as contentious as this one. Usually the Repubs are all behind one man consistently...


reply posted on 28-8-2012 @ 05:06 PM by RSF77
reply to post by zeeon


Yep, about a half hour ago he got the required number of delegates. The election might as well be over, now its between two sides of the same coin.


reply posted on 28-8-2012 @ 06:46 PM by Nietrick
Originally posted by Wookiep
Originally posted by jimmyx
and people wonder why liberals are so rabid about having these people in office. hasn't the last 2 years of republican congressional actions been enough?...now the party leaders are screwing with the very same people that put them in power. i know this may sound hyperbolic, and rediculous, but please read "the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" ....the parallels are frightening


The GOP has proven to be very corrupt indeed, but don't try to turn this into some kind of attempt to convert people to the left . They screwed their own people too, ie Ralph Nader. Remember him? Yeah all the liberal know-it-alls (in hollywood!) threw him under the bus too for the mainstream agenda.
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I concur fully. The GOP is purging outsiders because the Tea Party and Paulites were gaining too much ground. Right now the Dems' interests are best served by getting everyone and everything down to the polls, but the very second that those folks aren't needed, or when factions on the left start splitting too much from the party line, the same anti-freedom crap will get done at the DNC, too. Nader folks got this treatment already, like you mentioned, so it's not new. The Pennsylvania laws on 3rd party candidates spring to mind showing just how bi-partisan those jerks can be when it comes to killing our voice. I'm sure most states are likewise.

I wish people would stop falling for the " R vs. D" crap and realize the only teams that matter are Freedom vs. Tyranny. While we bicker and laugh, Tyranny is winning.


reply posted on 28-8-2012 @ 08:18 PM by icanhaz
reply to post by CB328
-->9th post on p.1 (including OP)


But remember, Republicans are "real Americans" with traditional values- traditional criminal values.


Wow, if you think there's any real difference between Democrats and Republicans, you really haven't been paying attention. Look at their campaign donor lists: both are controlled by essentially the same corporate interests...the same interests that control our government.

Thus, year after year, we get to "choose" between candidates who both serve the same corporate interests. Either way, the corporations win--and we lose. See how that works?

The RNC is just **ssed this year because although the unwashed masses have been successfully brainwashed, a large number of delegates had the *nerve* to support a candidate who was not the "anointed" one, i.e. the candidate they had already chosen for us this year.

Oh -- (or should I say, "O") -- I see your avatar.

***crickets***

Never mind.

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reply posted on 28-8-2012 @ 08:29 PM by icanhaz
Originally posted by zeeon
reply to post by jaws1975


I have to agree with you here. You bring up an interesting point....if Romney were really the nominee then there wouldn't be any question. I can't remember the last primary that was as contentious as this one. Usually the Repubs are all behind one man consistently...


Maybe it's because people are finally waking up to what's really happening in this country, and they are realizing that at the end of the day, it's NOT going to be okay--unless we do something about it. Perhaps wishful thinking...


"If you will not fight for the right
when you can easily win without bloodshed;
if you will not fight when your victory
will be sure and not too costly;
you may come to the moment
when you will have to fight
with all the odds against you
and only a small chance of survival.

There may even be a worse case:
you may have to fight
when there is no hope of victory,
because it is better to perish
than to live as slaves."
-- Winston Churchill
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