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Israel Uses a 13 Year Old Boy as a Human Shield

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posted on Aug, 28 2012 @ 02:35 PM
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The thing is that if you are able to use such a tactic in such a small scale which is not a big deal, what are you willing to do when the stakes are higher??


Those would be a completely different set of circumstances. You cannot assume that because they did this - tied a boy to the front of a vehicle to prevent rock throwing - that they would act the same way in a more volatile situation.

This situation permitted them to do this without expecting them to keep up the rock throwing: after all, they're children - 10-15 year old's - who arent quite as cunning as an adult Hamas member.

Undoubtedly, if one of their numbers were clever as to the politics of what Israel was doing - they would have thrown that rock and killed/hurt their friend because of the advantage it would create: the IDF would be held directly responsible for the boys death (ignoring the irony that the vast majority of Palestinian non-combatants killed have died in similar circumstances).




You say it is no big deal but when does it become a big deal??


When the situation changes. These are two different situations. A more dangerous situation - as in a episode of live fire - would have warranted severe censure, even punishment from the IDF. But this is a different scenario which allowed them to believe that because it was children they were dealing with, that they would stop the rock throwing.

It's not a nice thing to do, I agree, and perhaps it shouldn't have been done, but one cant forget the interminable nature of this behavior towards the IDF and Israeli civilians. It begins to tax your patience.




THings just do not happen they build up to it.


War is not the same as abiding by safety measures at work. The stress - is manifold times worse. They're trying to do their jobs - the IDF - but can't because kids are whipping rocks at them and their vehicles. So they tried something new - take one of the rock throwers and tie him to the front of their vehicle to thwart their rock throwing.

This isn't exactly one of those mindless examples of ignoring safety procedures which leads to worse abuses. It's instead dealing with the same occurrence over and over again - and responding differently than usual.

As said, they were stupid for doing this. They should have realized that their enemies would use this in their psychological war against Israel. But as for endangering the boys life - this wasn't an example of a live combat. It was kids throwing rocks at soldiers. To disrupt this annoyance - they took one of them and tied him to the front of their vehicle. If they continued - they would have been mostly responsible - given they would know full well that a rock might hit and injure him.




posted on Aug, 28 2012 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by CALGARIAN
It's titled "The Day...", meaning one day; isolated.

American police would have, if lucky, tazered the child to death.

Also, the boy shouldn't have anything to worry about being tied to the truck if no one was going to fire rocks or bullets, as they should, towards the IDF vehicle.


Show me a picture of the IDF lobbing rockets into Gaza from an Israeli school, please.


so you condone children tied to police vehicles.

maybe you'd like to volunteer your son.

if it was a chinese cop car or an iranian police cruisers you'd probably break 7 fingers from typing your keyboard so hard to denounce the animals.

and the idf lobbing rockets from an israeli school, they don't need to. they have f-15's and f-16s to do that.

its nice to know that this there is no wrong or right in your heart, only your side and theirs.

you don't live there, all you ever hear about israel is that its your best friend forever. how about you join the human race.

i'm sure you'd welcome an israeli occupation of calgary.

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posted on Aug, 28 2012 @ 05:15 PM
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Well it IS a crime, unless he has been apprehended for doing something illegal, which I doubt. In that case strapping him outside the vehicle would still be stretching it.


Originally posted by ollncasino
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Those poor defenseless Palestinian kids...



Okay some people need it to have put into perspective for them. Imagine if the LAPD was driving through the Ghetto with a black Kid strapped on the outside of their vehicle.
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posted on Aug, 28 2012 @ 05:17 PM
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Assumes facts not in evidence!

If he is secured to an unoccupied vehicle, how does that make him a "human shield"?

Don't you love it when propaganda provides "evidence" that disproves its message?



posted on Aug, 28 2012 @ 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by Cassius666

Okay some people need it to have put into perspective for them. Imagine if the LAPD was driving through the Ghetto


Any proof at all that they drove with the kid there? No, so how about a bit of perspective instead of making things up.



posted on Aug, 28 2012 @ 05:36 PM
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Because that's how they make this look worse than it actually is.

  • So far its been argued that if they do this, than that obviously means in a case of live-combat, they would act in the same way. ----- That is a horrible inference. People look at the situation and act accordingly. It wasn't nice to strap one of the rock throwers to the roof - but it served its purpose. They stopped throwing rocks.

  • cassius666 - already showing us I think the nature of his character with that username - mentioned a completely irrelevant situation in which black kids would be strapped to moving vehicles in LA. ----- This is almost too silly to be acknowledged, but, it succeeds in skewing the picture. A moving vehicle, again, is an entirely different situation. We aren't judging them for that - because it never happened. What we are allowed to pass judgement upon is this particular set of circumstances: Kids were throwing rocks; they assumed that taking one of the kids would interrupt their rock throwing. They assayed the risks involved, and they were minimal. There was no moving car, there was no live fire - of bullets, grenades or firebombs - and it wasn't live combat. It was a relatively innocuous, albeit, fundamentally naive in it's political effect, thing to do.

    But since demonizing Israel for every questionable thing they do is such a fun past time of moral relativists and sanctimonious westerners who have little concept of what constitutes true justice - they will ignore these considerations and demonize away!



  • posted on Aug, 28 2012 @ 05:50 PM
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    THIS is the country the US see's as it's number one ally?! Makes me sick. Let's be honest if the palestinians did something like this with an Israeli boy it would have been all over the MSM. It's all biased towards Israel, all the talk of ooooh the palestinians are shooting rockets into Israel... please... if you look into the history of this conflict you will see that Israel is the one that is invading Palestine, destroying palestinian settlements and annexing the land that doesn't belong to them.

    How would you feel if someone came and killed your family, demolished your home and then asked you to leave? Furthermore they stop any supplies getting through to you, they make it difficult for you to move around with checkpoints on every other street. Even some of the children have to go through checkpoints and are searched on the way to school! What would you do? Oh and of course they took away all your weapons too... Of course you would grab the nearest rock too!!



    posted on Aug, 28 2012 @ 06:59 PM
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    The idea of securing one of the kids to the hood to prevent rocks sounds like a good idea.... until you realize they blow school kids up all the time and let bombs off with no regard for innocent life.
    Remember....... tie-ing the kid to the car is a bad thing.... but stoning gays to death and mutilating 144,000,000 women is perfectly acceptable.

    Its laughable that we live in a world where people think you can throw rocks at other human beings with ZERO consequences. Kid should have had his teeth knocked out by a boot and then tied to the hood. I think its quite funny and the kid deserves it. Hope he got pelted with a few rocks himself, maybe he will know how it feels.
    We live in a world where kids think its funny to graffiti... throw rocks through windows.... bust up park benches... destruction of stuff that they didn't even work for.
    Everyone is shocked that the poor child throwing rocks and hurting people might get a boo boo himself.

    Slavery is freedom.
    War is peace.
    The guilty are innocent.

    We here at the E.C.C.O (Earth coincidence control office) laugh at your logic.
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    posted on Aug, 28 2012 @ 08:35 PM
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    If he's securely strapped to the car, and everyone is quietly minding their own business? No problem. There's a riot going on, I've got a problem, because that's incendiary, and putting the person on the car at risk.



    posted on Aug, 28 2012 @ 10:16 PM
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    # those border cops handled it better them most, this kid needed to be taught a lesson, this is a great way to teach it, bet if a bunch a # heads in America started chucking rocks at a car they'd end up with a bullet in one of them, or tasered to death,

    tying him to the truck solved 2 problem one the kids not throwing rocks, and two the other kids aren't either,

    yes he should be scared not sure if ya forgot but they STILL STONE PEOPLE TO DEATH in those parts, so a rock can be scary and carry deadly intent



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    posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 11:29 AM
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    Originally posted by Jubosh
    # those border cops handled it better them most, this kid needed to be taught a lesson, this is a great way to teach it, bet if a bunch a # heads in America started chucking rocks at a car they'd end up with a bullet in one of them, or tasered to death,

    tying him to the truck solved 2 problem one the kids not throwing rocks, and two the other kids aren't either,

    yes he should be scared not sure if ya forgot but they STILL STONE PEOPLE TO DEATH in those parts, so a rock can be scary and carry deadly intent


    As does a tear gas canister to the face (shattering said face and skull into a million pieces...all at point blank range)?



    posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 12:03 PM
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    I just love the way the "israel can do no wrong" crowd are trying to act as if there is no reason for those kids to act the way they are


    Israel are the chosen people.
    They can do all the wrong they wish to, but they will be given special treatment



    posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 01:07 PM
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    Patriotism at its finest



    posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 02:05 PM
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    Originally posted by jimmyx
    islamists uses them as shields, but it was against bullets and bombs, not rocks. where are his parents by the way?, i guess if it's israeli soldiers, the kids are allowed to throw anything they want at them....teach them to hate while their young, that way they grow up trained and ready for jihad.


    I think most would agree with most of what you said there however you were stating the obvious parts to something that wasn't even being discussed as an issue here. Your response also insinuates that this kind of behaviour is somehow okay because the other side are no angels themselves. You have missed the point, you are heartless and blind.
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    posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 03:09 PM
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    The main points made in the intelligence community’s report




    “Israel, given its current brutal occupation and belligerence cannot be salvaged any more than apartheid south Africa could be… as American power and influence recedes, the US commitment to belligerent oppressive Israel is becoming impossible to defend or execute consistent (sic) given paramount US national interests which include normalizing relations with the 57 Islamic countries… U.S. public opinion no longer supports funding and executing widely perceived illegal US wars on Israel’s behalf…”



    “…Gross Israeli interference in the internal affairs of the United States through spying and illegal US arms transfers. This includes supporting more than 60 ‘front organizations’ and approximately 7,500 US officials who do Israel’s bidding and seek to dominate and intimidate the media and agencies of the US government…”



    “Israel’s intelligence services have created…a domestic espionage network in the United States whose operatives do the following… (a) Steal secret business data that benefits Israel’s economy… (b) Shield the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) from having to register as an agent of a foreign power… (c) Purloin highly classified military technology that Israel then sells to the highest bidders… (d) Run covert operations…stealing and passing information to Israel that compromises U.S. foreign, economic and defense policies. (e) Gain preferential and corrupting access – via illegally coordinated campaign contributions, influence, and intimidation – (to) serving presidents, congressmen, senior law enforcement officials, journalists, judges, bureaucrats, even intelligence officers. (f) Buy pardons from presidents…”


    There you go just facts no hate.

    More info here


    No government can serve two masters. A government that serves Israel cannot, does not, and will not serve America. America needs leaders who will put America first, second, and third.



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    posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 06:33 PM
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    I've had my homeland illegally occupied. Been that way since 1492.
    Now, on the subject of the kid. He was 13, he knew good and well that he was throwing rocks at the soldiers. They weren't using him as a shield at all, they were putting him in their shoes. How do those rocks feel now, ya little brat? (Yes, I have punished a biting/pinching child by biting/pinching him back. He hugs me every time I see him.)
    If he were really that scared, by the way, he wouldn't be stretched out on the hood like that.



    posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 10:24 PM
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    Well i bet they would be really mad at me if i was in charge of the company of men.

    I would of got a whole bunch of the little rock throwers and duck tapped there little behinds on

    every armored vehicle on the spot.Then drove right down the middle of the strip.



    posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 07:43 PM
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    You have to look at it from the perspective of the kids as well.

    Imagine if the only thing you knew was a cycle of violence and fear, imagine witnessing and being a part of raids, watching homes shelled and then noticing people you saw a few days ago were no longer here because they were either in an Israeli jail, dead from conflict or worse they decided to become so called martyrs (because someone indoctrinated them to believe blowing up their body was right).

    These kids are constantly told they cannot do anything, even breathe, when you have no hope you react in the only way you can, even if that is throwing rocks (as stupid as it is).

    If these kids were given hope I am sure this cycle of violence would end - it's bad on both sides, Israel who have this over developed paranoia and their belief they must defend themselves at all costs and Palestine with its people left so hopeless living a day at a time that their moral compass is upside down (so they in turn react with violence).

    Hate breeds hate, until we humans understand this and counteract it we will never progress as a species.
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