King Arturs Legacy - The suppressed truth?

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posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 09:00 AM
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"........This Khumric people were originally in Egypt before Moses led them out in the middle of the 14th Century BC, and their ancient Khumric language (Welsh Cymry) can still be used today with remarkable accuracy in translating the Egyptian Hieroglyphs............."

Firstly I was unsure in which forum to place this thread, as it delves deeply into many topics - Touching on the roots of Christianity in Britain, The Ark of the Covenant, the true divine line to rule etc etc
So if Mods think this should be posted elsewhere then please do so.

May I start by saying - Though I myself am of Welsh descent and have a genealogy linked by bloodline to a Knight of the Realm (With castle to boot) - I do not buy into the idea of Kings Queens or Priests etc.
But never the less - History is what it is and these two authors really throw a spanner in the works of established ideas regarding the true history of Britain

It was suggested that I start a thread on the Archaeological Historians and authors Alan Wilson & Baram Blackett - Though in fact I feel ill equipped to do so but not to do so would be the lesser evil so to speak.
If I may explain my reasoning :-

In order to do the vast amount of research (30 years) by Alan Wilson & Baram Blacket justice - It would require one to watch their several interviews on Rich Planet and also read their many books. As well as do a vast amount of research of one's own to back up or not their findings

Here is a little appetizer - copy pasted from their web site

.".......... The fact is British History is the best recorded history in all of Europe and were it not for the Holy Family coming to Britain in AD 37 non of this would be a problem.

". King Arthur I son of Magnus Maximus of the late 4th Century AD and King Arthur II of the late 6th Century AD, can both trace their family lines back to the British Emperor Constantine the Great, and continue on back to the Holy Family itself which entered Britain in AD 37. Both King Arthur's continue tracing their bloodline all the way back to King Brutus, himself a great grandson of Aeneas of Troy.............................................

Brutus came to the Island of Britain around 500BC which was 150 years after Agamemnon and his Achaeans took the Kingdom of Troy (1200BC is the official date and is out by several hundred years)............Since the beginning of the 18th Century AD there has been a major suppression of British History. To the academic community there is only the tunnel vision mentality of Roman Britain, or Saxon Britain, or Viking Britain, and if any major finds are made by archaeologists they inevitably end up in one of the three mentioned categories, heaven forbid they be Khumric-British - of which there are VAST amounts. ................"

Her is a link to their interview on Rich Planet - It is in several parts approx 5 and a half hours in length but to any serious it is a much to watch. At least watch the intro to wet your appetite.

www.richplanet.net...

Below is a link to their official website

kingarthurslegacy.com...

I am here to discuss and also learn - I am not here to defend their ideas though my gut feeling is there is much truth to be found in their work.

Already the establishment has turned on them and an attempt on their life's taken place.

Enjoy and be prepared to be astounded and excited by what they are saying

artistpoet
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posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 09:32 AM
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Great thread, I hope it gets the attention and input it deserves, but as you say there are many layers to this and much to consider.

The two authors make a few remarkable claims and if proven they could indeed have an impact upon the very fabric of society etc.

I am slowly but surely reading through bits of the author's works and will hopefully respond in a bit more depth at some point later.

A couple of points I will raise now are surely there will be some sort of trace of the supposed ethnic origins of Brutus and his people as the genetic make-up of the current British population is increasingly understood and I would have thought that even considering that the alleged mother of all cover up's has suppressed much of the evidence surely there would be a wealth of evidence testifying to the alleged comet landing that decimated the vast majority of the UK and Bolivia - following that trajectory it must also have went over large parts of Scandinavia and the whole width of Brazil?

There are one of two other questions that I have but they can wait until I make a more reasoned and considered response.
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posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 09:39 AM
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Hopefully it's not off-topic, but it seems those who control our governments also control history and what we're to know. Recently read about the cover-up and or the complete elimination of data and artifacts regarding US and World history by the Smithsonian Institute. There are some threads here on ATS dealing with that subject.

Information is power as is the suppression of information.



posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 09:51 AM
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Thanks for your input it is much appreciated.

You raise some good points. Unfortantely I do not have the answer as to how to prove their claims apart from spend years as they have done researching.

Yet the overall picture they paint is fascinating to say the least
As you have said to me in another post - That was then and this is now - is most appropriate

The establishment would never accept such ideas as the authors claim for obvious reasons - Thrones would topple and academia stutter to a halt in the new light of truth if that is what it is.

Yet their interview on Rich Planet is well worth a watch to get a feel for their authenticity.



posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by Bilk22
reply to post by artistpoet
 

Hopefully it's not off-topic, but it seems those who control our governments also control history and what we're to know. Recently read about the cover-up and or the complete elimination of data and artifacts regarding US and World history by the Smithsonian Institute. There are some threads here on ATS dealing with that subject.

Information is power as is the suppression of information.


Not off topic at all.

What you say is so relevant regarding the suppression of truth.
It would certainly rattle the windows and shake the walls of a corrupt establishment.

I am not here to overthrow any - though I would not shed any tears.
People have a right to know the truth -
The fear of those with much to lose is that people may turn on them.and see them for what they are.



posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 10:35 AM
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Star to you and this is where I get off of the train.
I love these old stories such as your avatar, good movie and some awesome lore there.
I would love to believe in brave noble and chivalrous men and strong willed women but...
Without a shred of "proof" other than a story written by men, you cannot truly say what was real and what was not.
This breaks all stories for me as I imagine people down through time for the most part were just like how they are now, comfortable and complacent.
Sure there were some movers and shakers but I'd imagine most didn't get very far.
But, I read and enjoy the stories and maybe someday I'll find out the real truth.
I'm thinking just after I die I'll know these answers.
History is written by the victors.



posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 10:37 AM
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I am away for a bit - Garden to attend to
But will log in later to follow up on the discussion.

I actually started my limited research going back to the source IE Moses who is said to have led the Cymri (Welsh) out of Egypt.
Who was Moses really - In my research I came across a book by an academic who claims the Kings List of Egypt is out by many years and links Moses with Akhenaten - The so called Heretic Pharaoh who overturned the corrupt religion of his day as is claimed of Moses -
The priesthood of Amun got their revenge and so began the Exodus of Moses/Akhenaten and his followers
This of course goes against the grain of the establishment but to me makes sense.

The so called divine line ended in Egypt some 3400/3500 years ago. Tutenaten (His real name) was taken to Thebes by Nefertiti and forced to take the old religion and change his name to Tutankhamun - The priests of Amun being onto the worship of graven images (statues) and being most corrupt regarding truth. Hawass pays lip service to the lie -

Yet a female archeologist's from York made many discovery's before being banned due to her claims - That Nefertiti was brutally murdered by the Amun priests as was her son when he came to an age when he was a threat to the status quo.

What is the truth - It is lost like Sybil's Leafs lost to the four winds and the seeker must find it for themselves but it is findable for sure



posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 11:27 AM
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I'm not at all persuaded by any arguments that the British came from Egypt or Troy (I don't consider Geoffrey of Monmouth to be a reliable source - any more than I consider Genesis to be real history). We'd been here a long time before then. And to this day, the difference between the English, Scottish and Welsh is the difference between the North Folk and the South Folk of East Anglia.

And as an alternative view on the origins of the Arther legend, I think Alistair Moffat's theory deserves consideration: that he was a Romanised cavalry leader based in Kelso

www.amazon.co.uk...

A book worth reading, at least to gain an alternative perspective, even if you choose not to believe it



posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 11:33 AM
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Also worth noting that, to my knowledge, the word Cymri - countrymen - was not used until the middle of the first millennium. Used to differentiate between Brythonic speakers and those who spoke English, Irish or Pictish. Prior to then, we never used that term.

And the original name for Britain was Albion/Albu



posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 03:33 PM
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I think rather than generalizations it is better to look at the evidence of some of the claims made.

And this is a problem as we are discussing 30 years of two peoples life spent in deep research.

There are many Arthurian Story's - But we are focusing on Historical Facts - A real King Artur and his legacy.

At one time Welsh History was taught in Welsh Schools. There were text books about it - Until they were removed and no longer taught. Alan Wilson & Baram Blacket found such books.
Welsh History books that speak of an original King Artur and also a later King Artur

Would that Alan Wilson & Baram Blacket were part of this discussion to answer questions.

I have watched the whole 5 and a half hours interview a while ago. It is well worth watching.
Until one reads their evidence how can any say whether they are correct or not - My gut says they are certainly on to something very controversial with certain sections of the establishment. And if their claims are correct secret service have attempted to either assassinate them or warn them off.



posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 03:37 PM
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What you say is very true -
The people way back in history were no different than we.



posted on Nov, 19 2013 @ 05:50 AM
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artistpoet
I think rather than generalizations it is better to look at the evidence of some of the claims made.

And this is a problem as we are discussing 30 years of two peoples life spent in deep research.

There are many Arthurian Story's - But we are focusing on Historical Facts - A real King Artur and his legacy.

At one time Welsh History was taught in Welsh Schools. There were text books about it - Until they were removed and no longer taught. Alan Wilson & Baram Blacket found such books.
Welsh History books that speak of an original King Artur and also a later King Artur

Would that Alan Wilson & Baram Blacket were part of this discussion to answer questions.

I have watched the whole 5 and a half hours interview a while ago. It is well worth watching.
Until one reads their evidence how can any say whether they are correct or not - My gut says they are certainly on to something very controversial with certain sections of the establishment. And if their claims are correct secret service have attempted to either assassinate them or warn them off.


I might as well have writen that....fascinating stuff in the lectures.
Rainbows
Jane



posted on Nov, 19 2013 @ 06:14 AM
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I have watched a lot on Wilson and Blackett, mainly via Richplanet, and have to say I found the information put forward compelling to say the least.

The two guys have endured a lot as a result of their claims, from ridicule to attempts on their lives, to poisoning and still stand firm on their findings.

Have a lot of respect for Richard D Hall, who sadly had Richplanet pulled from the air on showcase earlier this year. He is down but not out, and I admire his efforts to keep the information coming. His shows are not slick, nor is he a great presenter, indeed he is sometimes awful but that is part of the experience. It is the info not the presentation of it that matters, he is in my opinion one of the few guys out there who pays little attention to his ego. Whenever I ask him a question on FB he answers, with courtesy and respect.

Unfortunately, there is a long long line of people in the mainstream who would like to surpress the information Wilson and Blackett bring to the table, probably because it is easier than rewriting history books.......

Glad I discovered this thread.



posted on Nov, 19 2013 @ 06:37 AM
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fascinating...I think the interest in history has to have 3 questions answered to make it relevant....1) does it affect the lives of people today?...2) if it does, in what particular way?...and 3) is it possible for changes to be made to make a difference in our present lives?
we live in time of history where massive amounts of information is literally at our finger tips (keyboard), I don't think people have the time, or the interest in something that will not benefit them in the immediate future....it is simply a matter of personal time being used in the most affective way.





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