Service to Self is better than Service to Others (Please read before judging!), page 1

Have you ever heard of Epicureanism? en.wikipedia.org...

plato.stanford.edu...

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The egotist has an overwhelming sense of the centrality of the 'Me': of their personal qualities.[2] Egotism means placing oneself at the core of one's world with no concern for others, including those loved or considered as "close," in any other terms except those set by the egotist.

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I like helping other people and animals in need. You can take your Ayn Rand cult fantasies elsewhere. Selfishness and lack of empathy for others is what we call psychopathy. Corporations work in this very manner, usually screwing over their employees in the process, along with whole economies. Why pay them a 1$ more an hour?! If I keep it, it'll be in my self interest and my happiness will magically trickle down unto them. Righhhhht.

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If you are not willing to TAKE, do you really have anything to give? How can the moon shine in the night if it doesn't absorb the sun's light? The moon is not shining for "US". It shines because it ABSORBS the light, and as a result it SPREADS.

What a lovely analogy

I wont judge, because I agree with you.

Originally posted by RealSpoke
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The egotist has an overwhelming sense of the centrality of the 'Me': of their personal qualities.[2] Egotism means placing oneself at the core of one's world with no concern for others, including those loved or considered as "close," in any other terms except those set by the egotist.

en.wikipedia.org...

I like helping other people and animals in need. You can take your Ayn Rand cult fantasies elsewhere. Selfishness and lack of empathy for others is what we call psychopathy. Corporations work in this very manner, usually screwing over their employees in the process, along with whole economies. Why pay them a 1$ more an hour?! If I keep it, it'll be in my self interest and my happiness will magically trickle down unto them. Righhhhht.

I am of the same breed. I find most apathy comes from those whom rarely if ever, have know desperation. I spent a long time living on the streets as a teenager, even now, I find most kindness comes from those who know it's value.

We have enough people in this world looking out for just themselves, should be a law against it /s

Humans are natural sharers. Selfishness has to be learned. Or taught.

Originally posted by yourmaker
Have you ever heard of Epicureanism? en.wikipedia.org...

plato.stanford.edu...

Yes. I have.

Originally posted by RealSpoke
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I like helping other people and animals in need.

Nice. Did I ever argue against that? No, I didn't. I simply said that instead of helping people all the time, we should teach them to help themselves so that they can be independent and free from depending on others. Helping a person in their struggle is OK. Becoming "service to others" and always giving, giving, giving, instead of teaching them to be independent and do things by themselves is another story.

Originally posted by RealSpoke
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You can take your Ayn Rand cult fantasies elsewhere.

I don't believe in Ayn Rand, as if Ayn Rand made up this idea anyway. I'm sure it existed WAY before him, in fact it did since even animals knew better than to keep depending on others and to actually DO for themselves.

A "cult", no that belongs to people who want to give, give, give, to a lord, master, or guru...

Originally posted by RealSpoke
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Selfishness and lack of empathy for others is what we call psychopathy.

Then every single human and animals alive is a "psychopath" if that is what selfishness is. Everyone is selfish to some extent and to say otherwise is to be a liar.

People help others to feel good about themselves, that they "did" something for another. People do good to avoid hell (and to go to a heaven - thinking about self again). People do good because they want to be treated the same way. All considering SELF.

Now, lack of empathy ? When did I ever say that it is good to have a lack of empathy? Oh right, I didn't.

Originally posted by RealSpoke
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Corporations work in this very manner, usually screwing over their employees in the process, along with whole economies. Why pay them a 1$ more an hour?! If I keep it, it'll be in my self interest and my happiness will magically trickle down unto them. Righhhhht.

And you know what the corporations are doing? GIVING people jobs!

People sit like slaves in a factory working all day for a "dollar" knowing that they are being taken advantage of but they allow it to happen, why? Because they don't think about They have low SELF-esteem, so they don't speak up. This is what happens when you begin to hate the SELF or try to put focus on another. You get scare to speak up when you are being taken advantage of.

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Service to others ? You're joking right?

Perhaps thousands of years ago, when we were hunter gatherers, self preservation was our primary instinct.

I feel we have somewhat evolved from those times. We are social animals. Like many animals. I don't see them bitching that they must Service the others.

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This is Ayn Rand (female) on the value of selfishness:
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Originally posted by AdamOver
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Service to others ? You're joking right?

Perhaps thousands of years ago, when we were hunter gatherers, self preservation was our primary instinct.

I feel we have somewhat evolved from those times. We are social animals. Like many animals. I don't see them bitching that they must Service the others.

Soooooo ... the primary instinct to survive has ... evolved?

Into what? I remember learning about this most basic of imperatives in multiple classes in college.

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If you are not willing to TAKE, do you really have anything to give? How can the moon shine in the night if it doesn't absorb the sun's light? The moon is not shining for "US". It shines because it ABSORBS the light, and as a result it SPREADS.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but I thought the moon REFLECTED light?

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We have, at least most of us have, evolved into a stage where survival is no longer the primary instinct. Yes, it's still there. But beneath our other instincts.
You know, those instincts that makes us want to help those in need, without the desire for recompense. And certainly not feeling we are in Service of others. A most strange turn of phrase.

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I simply said that instead of helping people all the time, we should teach them to help themselves so that they can be independent and free from depending on others.

No one helps others every waking minute. And by the way you are speaking it is very obvious you have never been in need as a lot of the time....PEOPLE CAN'T HELP THEMSELVES.

If a person does not have any insurance and has a medical ailment requiring a prescription, if they do not get it, they will die. If you buy it for them, or give them your left over pills, it is against your self interest, but it means the world to the person receiving it. They have absolutely no way to get the funds on their own. They are also dependent on;

1. Pills
2. Pharmaceutical companies
3. Trucks that drive the pharmaceuticals to the store
4. Doctors to write the prescription
5. Petroleum fuel
5. Everything else....

You're dependent on a million different things yourself. This "dependent" argument is senseless because you cannot make everything you may need in life to survive, like medicine. Unless you live on a farm, you are dependent on corporations to ship FOOD to your area, and another corporation to put it in a store, for you to purchase. You can in no way believe any sort of "independent" ideology unless you are 100% self sufficient. Money doesn't buy true independence.

Helping a person in their struggle is OK. Becoming "service to others" and always giving, giving, giving, instead of teaching them to be independent and do things by themselves is another story.

This goes against your entire OP, as you said people should only be fixated on their own self interest. Now you are just backtracking.

in fact it did since even animals knew better than to keep depending on others and to actually DO for themselves.

There are a ton of animals that depend on one another, like most primates! Humans are one of them.....as we depend on social contact or we go absolutely insane.

Then every single human and animals alive is a "psychopath" if that is what selfishness is. Everyone is selfish to some extent and to say otherwise is to be a liar.

Incorrect, most humans have the ability to feel empathy. Psychopaths who are born such, tend to have damage to areas of the brain that process emotion. You can be an incredibly selfish person and still feel guilt for the things you do, psychopaths won't.

People help others to feel good about themselves, that they "did" something for another.

Here you go again, showing your psychopathy. Maybe you do, since you have a ego problem. But if I tend to help someone, say I give them a ride to work...I'm doing that to make myself feel better? Are you kidding me. I probably did it so they wouldn't get fired......

And you know what the corporations are doing? GIVING people jobs!

Incorrect, without the worker there would be no corporation, without the consumer there would be no profit in order to create a job. It's all an interdependent system upon one another, I know, you hate to hear that, but it's true.

People sit like slaves in a factory working all day for a "dollar" knowing that they are being taken advantage of but they allow it to happen, why? Because they don't think about They have low SELF-esteem, so they don't speak up.

LOL?! Are you kidding me? They do it because they live in extreme poverty and are forced to or starve. You should also study history a bit, when workers would organize, form unions, or protest...they would end up killed a lot of the times BY THE CORPORATIONS. It still happens in lesser developed countries, with those slave wages. They are there by force, threats, and no other choice.

colombiajournal.org...

This is what happens when you begin to hate the SELF or try to put focus on another. You get scare to speak up when you are being taken advantage of

No, this is what happens when someone has a gun to your head. If someone robbed you at gunpoint, pretty sure you're going to give up all the goods, 99% of people do.

Look at the monkeys helping one another...... VIRGIL COULD HAVE TAKEN ALL THE NUTS, BUT HE DIDN'T, HE SHARED....against his own self interest.

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