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Russia And China Join Forces And Prepare For War Against The Falling Apart U.S. Can we win this one

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posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 10:01 PM
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Yea I think not, perhaps a slice...a generous one, but regardless, a slice.
Doesn't change anything anyhow considering that if the position had been china's or even russia you'll simply just find dirt on them....and I know you will

The whole point of the thread was are we able to take on two countries, not label our dark historical tendencies, then again china an russia have an AWESOME clean record huh? I wish I could leave my door unlock much like my generous neighbors up north, but sadly that is not the case here.




posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 10:22 PM
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You can't win a war by throwing dirt. Not after it has already gotten bloody. After "It's ON" who really cares about dirt.

The real question is technology and money and warmongers need to realize that old America is coming up short on a few things as of late. We could argue about right and wrong all day but when it comes down to the bottom line, some countries have been saving for a rainy day... and it isn't US. Look at the fight that Viet Nam put up... and now give them people the same tech and see how that conflict would go.

If this were to happen... it may not even be a fight. For all we know, if banks collapse... a previous agreement may have already been made and we might not even make the first move as our government suddenly seems to rewrite itself over night... but we are looking at hypothetical combat here. I genuinely think on our own soil, these countries could give us huge trouble and the only way we could stop it would be to bomb the crap out of ourselves. Think about it.

They have tech to use against us. What are we going to do to combat it? Start dropping bombs on our own civilians heads?

The US has done a really dumb thing going into other countries acting like the big dog.

If the trouble came here... regular people would just have to hope for the best because these armchair gunfighters wouldn't make it out the front door. American resolve means NOTHING when you face today's reality of high tech warfare. If it happened on this soil, don't even think it would be played like that. By massive foreign forces it would either get sold out like a rug being pulled out from underneath the entire government or if it got nasty, it would come fast and hard and there would almost nothing that the average patriot could do except try to get the hell out of the way.
edit on 1-9-2012 by NotAnAspie because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 10:23 PM
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Some of these past comments are getting so ridiculous, wow.

All over Ats you see this trendy bash America thing a list of our wars and blah blah blah. It really is Amazing the job a handful of true enemies has managed to do turning people to foolish and insane beliefs.

We have some dumb laws, politicians everywhere can be morons sometimes, we kind of live in a very geriatric society... yeah yeah there is what to complain about.

But i'd LOVE Ron Paul to get elected and go about withdrawing Americas involvement globally.

Then we'd see where the "dark forces" really are as the power vacuum is filled.

Old Russian territories scooped up in moments, Nukes used in the ME in under a year, Brutal crack downs in China sphere of influence

There's be more dead globally in 1 year that America has cost lives since ww2, no one would phone people to get out of the buildings the smart bombs were going to hit. Invasions wouldn't be police actions the men would all be killed and mothers would be raped while there sons lay broken and bleeding at their feet.

Yes a lot of people want America gone. lol, lol yes indeed they do.

Canada would be Chinese within 2 New Years lol. So would OZ, The Germans hopefully still remember some Russia.

And Sure the Japanese would be have their nation rebuilt, ha, be trading again within months of the Russians and Chinese getting at them. So would Taiwan....sure

And the Jews... well what Jews lol

Oh if America got a leader who would withdraw how fast we'd be begged to come back you'd hear it around the globe the cry whold echo so loudly.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 10:30 PM
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Originally posted by NotAnAspie
You can't win a war by throwing dirt. Not after it has already gotten bloody. After "It's ON" who really cares about dirt.

The real question is technology and money and warmongers need to realize that old America is coming up short on a few things as of late. We could argue about right and wrong all day but when it comes down to the bottom line, some countries have been saving for a rainy day... and it isn't US. Look at the fight that Viet Nam put up... and now give them people the same tech and see how that conflict would go.

If this were to happen... it may not even be a fight. For all we know, if banks collapse... a previous agreement may have already been made and we might not even make the first move as our government suddenly seems to rewrite itself over night... but we are looking at hypothetical combat here. I genuinely think on our own soil, these countries could give us huge trouble and the only way we could stop it would be to bomb the crap out of ourselves. Think about it.

They have tech to use against us. What are we going to do to combat it? Start dropping bombs on our own civilians heads?

The US has done a really dumb thing going into other countries acting like the big dog.

If the trouble came here... regular people would just have to hope for the best because these armchair gunfighters wouldn't make it out the front door. American resolve means NOTHING when you face today's reality of high tech warfare. If it happened on this soil, don't even think it would be played like that. By massive foreign forces it would either get sold out like a rug being pulled out from underneath the entire government or if it got nasty, it would come fast and hard and there would almost nothing that the average patriot could do except try to get the hell out of the way.
edit on 1-9-2012 by NotAnAspie because: (no reason given)

your post makes no sense, you do know that America has technology far superior to anything that China or Russia, right, so how do we get defeated by technology?



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 10:46 PM
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Right, only an American can establish order or the world would fall apart.

One year and all hell breaks lose.

That has got to be one of the craziest posts I've read in a long time... not to mention one of the most bigoted.
The brainwashing has been incredibly effective. Yes, the entire world stands on the backs of Americans. Oh, the absurdity.

Just a side note... people need to take a look at the map and realize that if this entire continent of America was given a choice to side with the US, a very large percentage of the very continent we are on would be giving US the finger especially if thugs set up in those countries south of US were to stop getting paid because the system had been rooted since the people sure aren't benefiting from it. That's just this continent. Who's going to help us... a few countries in Europe? Oh yeah, then why when there is some kind of conflict across the Atlantic are we still the main military presence. It all rides on the backs of the US military because we have more enemies than friends and our friends are little bros, not big bros. We'd be going it alone for the most part and we'd be raining weapons on our own people's heads if it came to our soil.

Do I think it's going to happen?

It's one of the last things I suspect coming but who knows?

I think it's more likely we'd get bought out and then start noticing some changes all over.

Do I want to see actual combat all around me?... Of course not but thinking about all the lives that our wars have destroyed... I think I'd take the punishment better than some because i would understand why it is happening and calculate the slim odds of anyone getting their patriotic shorts in a wad helping the situation at all... because it wouldn't... at all.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 11:05 PM
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Originally posted by Arnie123
reply to post by P12SOLD
 


Yeah an I'm sure russia had a better shot at afghan huh? I seriously have a laugh when people try to look down on us americans, though I totally understand, being on top your always gonna have people sneering.

Aside from what the media says an shows, understand this much, You never show your best, america's poker face is straight an alot of fools who believe america would lose fall for it, too easy! lol.
We own the air, the seas and the land. being the only military in the world with an active rotation of daily combat, we are understanding more an more about asymetric warfare and already with a firm grip on conventional warfare. Yes, we are indeed warmongers an we do what we do best. Plus an all volunteer military, we will prevail, all thoughout american history, we have read, wrote, sang, watched all media on the hero factor, we are mentally projected at being the Hero, the Cowboy, the clutch shot....if a grenade falls in the middle of a squad you can bet your sweet*** that one soldier will jump on it, American soldiers do not flee, He will always place the mission first, He will never accept defeat, He will never quit and most important of all...he will never leave his fallen comrade. We don't think small, we think large, we all are chiefs, we all are cowboys, we are all hero's. the american mentality pushes us to the extremes, thats the basis of our entertainment industry.
A war with China and Russia would be devastating for sure and would impact our society and shake the very foundations of earth itself. I would hope nothing that foolish will ever happen.
So go ahead P12SOLD, qoute our history, for we are here and now. I am a proud american citizen, a fighter, built for war, to defend, to never give up, to not accept defeat in the face of adversity, for aid, compassion, love, to push an here to stay.
This attitude amongst us American is what makes us so damn good at what we do... You see, some people might say what about Vietnam or what about this or what about that but they don't understand that all of our failures was always due to our damn politicians and their stupid political games. When they don't stand in the way we are unstoppable and there are many great examples of this like Pearl Harbor. We were surprise attacked and our navy was hurt good but their was no politics involved and we kicked all kinds of azz. The Japs paid for their mistakes then we made the Germans pay for theirs.. No other country on this planet seems to want to make the bad guys pay for their mistakes so we step up to the plate and handle it. If our govt.s stupid political games could stay out of the militarys way they would always get in take care of business and get out. We have the worlds most highly trained professional military, our militant leaders are the best in the world and we dominate the air, sky, and sea.. So win our country has people like Amie123 as leaders and followers we will be triumphant. Our military knows how to win not lose. It's the political battles that stand in our militarys way of victory. Don't let your envy of us turn into hate as it does. No other country has evolved like America. ( sorry Indians,) the feather not the dot.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by Antonio1

Originally posted by NotAnAspie
You can't win a war by throwing dirt. Not after it has already gotten bloody. After "It's ON" who really cares about dirt.

The real question is technology and money and warmongers need to realize that old America is coming up short on a few things as of late. We could argue about right and wrong all day but when it comes down to the bottom line, some countries have been saving for a rainy day... and it isn't US. Look at the fight that Viet Nam put up... and now give them people the same tech and see how that conflict would go.

If this were to happen... it may not even be a fight. For all we know, if banks collapse... a previous agreement may have already been made and we might not even make the first move as our government suddenly seems to rewrite itself over night... but we are looking at hypothetical combat here. I genuinely think on our own soil, these countries could give us huge trouble and the only way we could stop it would be to bomb the crap out of ourselves. Think about it.

They have tech to use against us. What are we going to do to combat it? Start dropping bombs on our own civilians heads?

The US has done a really dumb thing going into other countries acting like the big dog.

If the trouble came here... regular people would just have to hope for the best because these armchair gunfighters wouldn't make it out the front door. American resolve means NOTHING when you face today's reality of high tech warfare. If it happened on this soil, don't even think it would be played like that. By massive foreign forces it would either get sold out like a rug being pulled out from underneath the entire government or if it got nasty, it would come fast and hard and there would almost nothing that the average patriot could do except try to get the hell out of the way.
edit on 1-9-2012 by NotAnAspie because: (no reason given)

your post makes no sense, you do know that America has technology far superior to anything that China or Russia, right, so how do we get defeated by technology?


That's what you assume. You have no way of proving what those countries have. You don't even know what your own country has. Most of the electronics you have come from China and do not forget that their young people are better educated than us and can hack and jack up all kinds of stuff. You have no way of knowing completely what you're dealing with and are simply parroting an assumption. The fact is that the Chinese government has been very good at hiding many things... as are many of the countries they work with. They have no qualms about boldly hiding things and even if they had nothing special to hide, you must assume that their tech is somewhat comparable. They have the capacity to make anything we can make... because they are usually the ones that are making it for us... even if broken down into components. Now you are the one who is not making sense if you fail to calculate what that means.

Go back to what I said. Look at the equipment that Viet Nam was working with and look how they put up a fight.

You cannot deny that china at the very least has comparable technology to what we have and if they engaged us in war, you better believe it would be to win because they have kept their actions pretty much on lock down for decades and if they made a move, it would not be to lose. It would not surprise me if they drafted but it also would not surprise me if they didn't HAVE to if a war with the US began. They outnumber us 4 to 1 in population. They have Russia to the north, India to the South and you know damn well there'd be NO chance of US going over THERE and infiltrating them... but when you turn the tables around, it seems much less certain doesn't it?

On THEIR soil... no way.

On OUR soil... we'd still be screwed because of how modern wars are fought.

The only place we could give them a run for their money is at sea and in the air at sea but how are we going to be all these places at once and still protect the home front? We are much more vulnerable strategically than China. Many countries surrounding THEM don't like US. Many places surrounding US don't like US. Do the math. Who's going to help us? The British? Do you think Australians want to get deeply involved with something like that against their neighbor? I don't think so.

I think you are so used to be told you are unbeatable, you are no longer able to calculate the odds.
You're blinded by your patriotism. If it were to come down to it, if I were you I'd get used to considering surrender because if not, you're going to see a lot of dead American neighbors laying all over the place.

Beware of pride.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 11:31 PM
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Originally posted by NotAnAspie
Right, only an American can establish order or the world would fall apart.

One year and all hell breaks lose.

That has got to be one of the craziest posts I've read in a long time... not to mention one of the most bigoted.
The brainwashing has been incredibly effective. Yes, the entire world stands on the backs of Americans. Oh, the absurdity.

Just a side note... people need to take a look at the map and realize that if this entire continent of America was given a choice to side with the US, a very large percentage of the very continent we are on would be giving US the finger especially if thugs set up in those countries south of US were to stop getting paid because the system had been rooted since the people sure aren't benefiting from it. That's just this continent. Who's going to help us... a few countries in Europe? Oh yeah, then why when there is some kind of conflict across the Atlantic are we still the main military presence. It all rides on the backs of the US military because we have more enemies than friends and our friends are little bros, not big bros. We'd be going it alone for the most part and we'd be raining weapons on our own people's heads if it came to our soil.

Do I think it's going to happen?

It's one of the last things I suspect coming but who knows?

I think it's more likely we'd get bought out and then start noticing some changes all over.

Do I want to see actual combat all around me?... Of course not but thinking about all the lives that our wars have destroyed... I think I'd take the punishment better than some because i would understand why it is happening and calculate the slim odds of anyone getting their patriotic shorts in a wad helping the situation at all... because it wouldn't... at all.


You've just turned your brain around to believe the rhetoric established on the Internet from sources that would like to see us contained to be quite frank.

Anyone who has studied history or warfare knows full well that if we are despots we are the most benevolent despots that ever conquered anything by far,

by all means i'm sure you'd have been happier to have been in East Germany than West Germany after WW2 right?

I am sure if you were a Japanese soldier after WW2 you'd have rather been left to be handled by the Chinese? That was horrible of us escorting them out when we were enemies just Two days before.

See the Russians in action a couple of years back? They have changed a lot right? They make phone calls before missile strikes right? So people get out of the building?

Yes

If America leaves the scene Europe will sink from the economic expense it has to bear because Russia is it's neighbor.

Yes

If Americas walks there would be no choice within maybe months but for Israel to use Nukes and there will be a limited Nuclear war in the region.

Yes

China would at the least take Taiwan and Both Russia and China have eyes on Japan

Yes

South Korea would fall very quickly

Yes

Brazil and Venezuela would get aggressive very quickly in South America

Yes

the balance of Power would shift against India very quickly as China dealt with Tibet and Pakistan had no trump car against it

Yes

Without our food shipments Africa would be a blood bath within weeks

Yes

The world would fall apart... at least for all our FRIENDS, for those cultures that you can truly ENJOY and Visit safely.

Does America do screwed up stuff...sure. Do we have our injustices Sure... But you know what? All the places I listed japan Israel, Much of Europe, South Korea, India. These are the places I can go out eat a nice meal not be harassed or go to jail for the most part for having a couple of beers, the places where the women are friendly to me and I don't worry about being detained for my cultural norms.

Yeah... The Western nations, Our friends, our buddies the people I Love would all be screwed and NO they do not invade like we do, set up businesses, make friends...

We ARE Imperialists but we ARE Alexandrian imperialists and there is a HELL of a DIFFERENCE between how WE do things and how Russia and China and Islam do things



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 11:32 PM
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Honestly, most of this thread is BS when it comes to validity.

Frankly, we don't actually know what ourselves, China, Russia, etc etc is capable of. We can certainly claim to know this and that about the various known and unknown military might of each country, but none of us really know. Whatever we *know* the US has, it has more. The same goes for other counties.

If WWIII was to break out, the entire world would suffer in one way or another, most notably the major players.

So without absolute knowledge of what will transpire, what, exactly, is the point in arguing about it? I understand the idea of discussion, and discussion of grandiose possibilities, especially on this forum, but really, what good does it do?

We frankly don't know. And this exact thread pops up every week or two. This is not a topic for discussion, but argumentation, and at that, fallacious argumentation, again and again, over and over, unending and a waste of time and energy.

Pro USA post=stars. Anti USA post=stars. Valid discussion=ignorance/no stars.

This forum is a shell of what it once was, and the posts in this thread are a reminder of that. 11 pages of BS. Everyone give themselves and like minded a star and a pat on the back. Everyone who realizes the invalidity of these threads and posts, move on and don't look back.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 11:39 PM
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Originally posted by NotAnAspie
Right, only an American can establish order or the world would fall apart.

One year and all hell breaks lose.

That has got to be one of the craziest posts I've read in a long time... not to mention one of the most bigoted.
The brainwashing has been incredibly effective. Yes, the entire world stands on the backs of Americans. Oh, the absurdity.

Just a side note... people need to take a look at the map and realize that if this entire continent of America was given a choice to side with the US, a very large percentage of the very continent we are on would be giving US the finger especially if thugs set up in those countries south of US were to stop getting paid because the system had been rooted since the people sure aren't benefiting from it. That's just this continent. Who's going to help us... a few countries in Europe? Oh yeah, then why when there is some kind of conflict across the Atlantic are we still the main military presence. It all rides on the backs of the US military because we have more enemies than friends and our friends are little bros, not big bros. We'd be going it alone for the most part and we'd be raining weapons on our own people's heads if it came to our soil.

Do I think it's going to happen?

It's one of the last things I suspect coming but who knows?

I think it's more likely we'd get bought out and then start noticing some changes all over.

Do I want to see actual combat all around me?... Of course not but thinking about all the lives that our wars have destroyed... I think I'd take the punishment better than some because i would understand why it is happening and calculate the slim odds of anyone getting their patriotic shorts in a wad helping the situation at all... because it wouldn't... at all.
You remind me of the hippies that spit in the faces of our soldiers as they were returning home from Vietnam. A lot of them were drafted and didn't want to go but the true Americans shut up and stepped up. They had family members getting blown up best friends from high school getting shot right in front of them and many of them came home leaving parts of themselves on the battlefield and all they had to greet them when they arrived in America was spit in the face, hatered and discusst. Even if they were their for all the wrong reason, they are all great American heroes.......Remember, they didn't start the war. Politics did. They just showed up and gave it their best when their country asked them to. My children will grow up and honor these great American heroes as we all should. I'm sorry theirs people in this great country of ours that feel as you do but it is a great country and you are free to have an opinion even if it's the wrong one...



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 11:42 PM
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No your wrong

We know who has what for the most part, it's openly talked about, your just getting into some Asian superiority complex.... The Chinese aren't all master hackers with an IQ of 180, most of China is still rural, what isn't most of that is highly invested in LABOR not technology. They have a lot of food to produce for 1.5 Billion people, a lot of fuel is needed to get a lot of junk made in a lot of factories around the world. They aren't an army of cybernetic nerds they are up and coming but they are a nation of factory workers and farmers still.

China has hundreds less Universities than we do, India is the only Nation on Earth with a higher capacity for higher education. Their Military Budget is minutia compared to ours. Last i checked India was firmly a democracy. All you have to do is pick up a copy of popular science for 12 months to see the kind of edge we truly have and that's just the stuff we speak about. China has a very long way to go.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 11:44 PM
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Not to mention we lost those men Only because we chose not to blow the dams in the North because we wanted to avoid civilian deaths. I'm sure those we call our "enemies" would be equally as kind to our Allies (sarcasm)



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 11:47 PM
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And in regards to the whole "people need to look at the map" thing

America isn't the demographics of a conspiracy forum.If it was it would happen already, we have problems, we have great debate within our nation on many topics.

If the average American wanted to rise up they would, it's not there.



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 11:51 PM
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doesnt russia have roughly the same # declared nukes as usa has declared? add in any nukes that ca and together rus and china can blast usa back to the stone age.

except, usa is very arrogant and would take the whole planet down with itself if it were to lose world superpower/bully status.

the main argument i have heard as to why china won't attack usa is because usa creates so many jobs and thus a huge economy for the chinese. is this true?



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 11:58 PM
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Originally posted by minnow
doesnt russia have roughly the same # declared nukes as usa has declared? add in any nukes that ca and together rus and china can blast usa back to the stone age.

except, usa is very arrogant and would take the whole planet down with itself if it were to lose world superpower/bully status.

the main argument i have heard as to why china won't attack usa is because usa creates so many jobs and thus a huge economy for the chinese. is this true?



Yes in the end China won't be going to war with us because we are helping modernize them, we buy tons of stuff we are the ONLY ones that can buy what they can produce in such numbers and Just as importantly if not more so even out antics in the mideast benefit them, Oil is a lot cheaper by land then by sea, faster cheaper and when you connect the dots from Syria, Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan it leads straight to China, why do you think they keep loaning us money for wars? In the end we never had to go further than Iraq to assure our Oil flow for a few more decades (and Venezuela would have been a lot easier and cheaper)

There's no one to send that Oil to but China, India has it's lock down on the majority of the smaller states

The stuff about the Nukes is unrealistic though, 1980s military reality not todays



posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 11:59 PM
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Originally posted by Uneedhlp247

Originally posted by Arnie123
reply to post by P12SOLD
 


Yeah an I'm sure russia had a better shot at afghan huh? I seriously have a laugh when people try to look down on us americans, though I totally understand, being on top your always gonna have people sneering.

All are cowboys, we are all hero's. the american mentality pushes us to the extremes, thats the basis of our entertainment industry.
A war with China and Russia would be devastating for sure and would impact our society and shake the very foundations of earth itself. I would hope nothing that foolish will ever happen.
So go ahead P12SOLD, qoute our history, for we are here and now. I am a proud american citizen, a fighter, built for war, to defend, to never give up, to not accept defeat in the face of adversity, for aid, compassion, love, to push an here to stay.
This attitude amongst us American is what makes us so damn good at what we do... You see, some people might say what about Vietnam or what about this or what about that but they don't understand that all of our failures was always due to our damn politicians and their stupid political games. When they don't stand in the way we are unstoppable and there are many great examples of this like Pearl Harbor. We were surprise attacked and our navy was hurt good but their was no politics involved and we kicked all kinds of azz. The Japs paid for their mistakes then we made the Germans pay for theirs.. No other country on this planet seems to want to make the bad guys pay for their mistakes so we step up to the plate and handle it. If our govt.s stupid political games could stay out of the militarys way they would always get in take care of business and get out. We have the worlds most highly trained professional military, our militant leaders are the best in the world and we dominate the air, sky, and sea.. So win our country has people like Amie123 as leaders and followers we will be triumphant. Our military knows how to win not lose. It's the political battles that stand in our militarys way of victory. Don't let your envy of us turn into hate as it does. No other country has evolved like America. ( sorry Indians,) the feather not the dot.


You're nowhere close to being unstoppable if your own politicians are standing in your way. I guess all these other races are just inferior and don't have to political problems? This is incredibly short sighted. "Well, We would have won IF THEY LET US" What kind of an excuse is that? The fact is we had no right to be in Viet Nam and kill all those people. It's not a contest. WW2 was completely set up and bankrupt Germany was set up to lose and be the foes so elites could get a larger portion of the world on board with establishing more of a western minded presence in the middle east. Its no coincidence that so many Israelis have so much Italian blood. The Roman empire which is now nestled quietly away in Italy has been trying to do this for ages... THOUSANDS of years and look how successful they still AREN'T. Same old song and dance. We spent almost all of our resources to smack around tiny Japan and Germany that isn't that big of a country and was falling apart... and we had multiple countries helping us yet we had to do the most work and we are now the country that dropped huge bombs on innocent people and the traces are still there. Guess what America... The jokes on YOU because the rich who start these things to attempt global domination are probably chillaxing in Tahiti while stuff like this happens.

Hollywood can't save you from this.
All of Americans office and cleric jobs can't help you with this.
The flag can't protect you from this.
I doubt mexicans are going to come in and do it cheaper once a lot of troops start dying from this.
Do you think Chinese Canada and their secret gold reserves are going to help?

Don't say you weren't warned about walking into that fire.



posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 12:02 AM
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Originally posted by penninja
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Not to mention we lost those men Only because we chose not to blow the dams in the North because we wanted to avoid civilian deaths. I'm sure those we call our "enemies" would be equally as kind to our Allies (sarcasm)
Our country has more respect for civilian life than any other country in time of war......Other countries wish they could be like us but they just don't have it in them. Like it or not, We are like big brother. We are the main world leader. Others look up to us, Need us, and want us to stick around..



posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 12:11 AM
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Your both wrong, Our politicians made decisions based on our agendas, it''s a very common thing to run around saying that America lost Vietnam, we didn't loose anything there was no time when we were attempting to "take over" Vietnam, sure they talk about spreading democracy and other factors... we don't care so long as get access to trade in or out, if it ends with us selling coca cola and opening McDonald in a place where we couldn't before or might not be able to in the future we scored a win. That keeps our spies and our people inside, the real war after that is cultural anyway. We kick down doors and make sure they stay open, we don't even care if the traffic through that door is imbalanced so long as it's open and stays that way, very often we purposely let them get over on us just to keep that door open.

Politicians screwing things up? Actual War? No

They achieved mainly the results they wanted, proxy wars against our competitors sell a lot of arms around the globe too, we make a bundle after the fact for a long time. Vietnam had many purposes "The spread of Democracy" was only one and it was one they can live without.... sell a whole lot of fighters and guns in a large open air showroom, that one is quite more important.



posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 12:12 AM
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Originally posted by Uneedhlp247

Originally posted by NotAnAspie
Right, only an American can establish order or the world would fall apart.

One year and all hell breaks lose.

That has got to be one of the craziest posts I've read in a long time... not to mention one of the most bigoted.
The brainwashing has been incredibly effective. Yes, the entire world stands on the backs of Americans. Oh, the absurdity.

Just a side note... people need to take a look at the map and realize that if this entire continent of America was given a choice to side with the US, a very large percentage of the very continent we are on would be giving US the finger especially if thugs set up in those countries south of US were to stop getting paid because the system had been rooted since the people sure aren't benefiting from it. That's just this continent. Who's going to help us... a few countries in Europe? Oh yeah, then why when there is some kind of conflict across the Atlantic are we still the main military presence. It all rides on the backs of the US military because we have more enemies than friends and our friends are little bros, not big bros. We'd be going it alone for the most part and we'd be raining weapons on our own people's heads if it came to our soil.

Do I think it's going to happen?

It's one of the last things I suspect coming but who knows?

I think it's more likely we'd get bought out and then start noticing some changes all over.

Do I want to see actual combat all around me?... Of course not but thinking about all the lives that our wars have destroyed... I think I'd take the punishment better than some because i would understand why it is happening and calculate the slim odds of anyone getting their patriotic shorts in a wad helping the situation at all... because it wouldn't... at all.
You remind me of the hippies that spit in the faces of our soldiers as they were returning home from Vietnam. A lot of them were drafted and didn't want to go but the true Americans shut up and stepped up. They had family members getting blown up best friends from high school getting shot right in front of them and many of them came home leaving parts of themselves on the battlefield and all they had to greet them when they arrived in America was spit in the face, hatered and discusst. Even if they were their for all the wrong reason, they are all great American heroes.......Remember, they didn't start the war. Politics did. They just showed up and gave it their best when their country asked them to. My children will grow up and honor these great American heroes as we all should. I'm sorry theirs people in this great country of ours that feel as you do but it is a great country and you are free to have an opinion even if it's the wrong one...


You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to psyche people up into an immanent war they would not win. I'm telling people they need to reconsider bombing strangers just because someone told them to do it. If those people who "shut up" as you say had known what they were getting into and OPENED THEIR MOUTHS... It might have been over faster or it might not have even begun but even though I feel I should be able to point out what I think is right, like a communist you think it's an Americans duty to "shut up" and march to some war they don't even understand.

You put your own brothers in harms way and encourage them to take up arms against a country that you know good and well has bought you out... and why? Because the US was living the lie as other countries were exploited, yet they worked hard and endured.

So now it's time to pay the piper... and is America going to pay up or just kill more people.

The HOO HA here says... We are American and we're FIGHTERS and we can beat any foe even if it's one who come to collect and is right in doing so.

If it happens and you look around and see dead American bodies around you, you remember that this is what YOU wanted... and what I was warning that people like you should reconsider. Now get it straight.
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posted on Sep, 2 2012 @ 12:19 AM
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And you know it's not quite as simple an horrible as it sounds and they don't totally lie about it... at the time of Nam you'd hear a lot about the DOMINOS if one domino goes so do the rest.

It's basically true, if markets are closed to us we can't defend our allies nor can they thrive... if your South Korea and you Have North Korea above you and China next door and America can't maintain a presence there because we don't open up those Mc Donalds your basically going to be part of North Korea one day and that's...well... that sucks.

So it's not as simple as sending our kids to die for burger sales or purely corporate imperialism. And it's not EVIL, North Korea is genuinely kind of Evil, at the worst Obama frenzy of popularity i don't recall giant posters of him on every street, yet to see a Statue and i'm pretty sure his kids wont inherit Nukes and I wont get in trouble for talking smack about him if I chose.



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