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Originally posted by Socrato
No one would argue that a woman has a right to her body, but when she agreed to have sex with a man she agreed to risk getting pregnant.
A baby is a separate entity which is NOT the woman's body.
Yes it happens to reside inside the woman's body
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Forcing a woman to carry a child and give birth is NOT a "good deal" for her. Pregnancy and childbirth put her life at risk. It's not a "good deal" for her at all.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Once a man impregnates a woman, he has to understand that he has very little say on what happens inside the woman's body. If she decides she doesn't want to take the baby to term, then that's her body, her decision. If she doesn't, her choice.
I do think that if the man DOESN'T want a child, he should also have the right to opt out of fatherhood. There should be a window of time he has to decide. A short enough window that the woman can still abort if she doesn't want to handle the pregnancy, childbirth and raising of the child on her own. If the man decides he doesn't want to be a father, he can sign his rights and obligations away and that gives the woman time to have an abortion or make the decision to be solely responsible for the child or put it up for adoption.
It's the fairest way, IMO.
If men had the plumbing inside their body, they would have the "say". If a man doesn't want the chance of a baby, AND doesn't want to face turning over the decision to a woman, he needs to take 100% responsibility for making sure that he doesn't get her pregnant.
Originally posted by HamrHeed
Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
Originally posted by Socrato
reply to post by SearchLightsInc
Maybe you should stop bringing your personal drama in here and stop pretending like just because you had a pregnancy scare and someone wanted you to have a baby that your logic applies to everyone alive. Oh and stop sleeping around too.
Its not personal drama, its educating people on the rights of the individual. Let me break it down even simpler so you can understand:
Women is pregnant - Her body, her right to abortion.
Man has knocked up a woman - He has no right to force her to bring the child to term because its not his body.
So then if the man doesn't want the child, but she keeps it, the man shouldn't be on the hook for "modern " welfare.
EQUAL RIGHTS. Too many women are gaming the system.
This is the outcome when so called women believe that money makes the character and is a measure of worth.What an evil game.
The truth is: money comes after you master your love/ career, and you can't hide your satisfaction
Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
Originally posted by Socrato
No one would argue that a woman has a right to her body, but when she agreed to have sex with a man she agreed to risk getting pregnant.
In the age of the 21st century, risk of pregnancy in the fist world isnt as high as what it was. We've has such a thing as the sexual revolution in which women could embrace their bodies and sexual needs without constant threat of pregnancy. When she agree'd to have sex its very unlikely she was agreeing to risk pregnancy, she was more than likely agreeing to show physical affection to another human being - Yano, like were suppose to. If you only have sex to procreate then i feel sorry for you.
Originally posted by Socrato
"You dont have rights over someone else's body."
Oh I forgot a baby isn't someone else.
excuse me? Typical. I know your typee. Selfish.
Originally posted by Socrato
Originally posted by Myendica
. Where did I say anything about gender in that quote? You just hate men dont you.
Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
Originally posted by Myendica
Im going to leave the op with a small saying. Life, is often about sacrifice. Sometimes you need to step aside, and put your emotions ad feelings ad beliefs aside, and do what is right for all involved, not just whats best for yourself.
This expectation that would should "Sacrifice" for others is gender role brainwashing. She has rights to her reproductive organs and they should be acknowledged and RESPECTED.
I read that "RESPECTED" as "worshipped" and I don't think I'm too far off base with this one. Thank goodness people with such harsh and ignorant views are usually stuck low in life and do not control others or make laws.
Originally posted by skalla
seems to me that the OP's beef is carrying a sprog (a baby) for 9 months and thats the basis of her "rights" arguement - but the sprog has a whole lifetime after being born though, so while i do agree that a woman has primacy during pregnancy, the OP's outlook is remarkably shortsighted. Pregnancy is not the only issue in abortion, many would say that the life that could be lived afterwards is rather an important part of the decision/issue too.
Originally posted by Endorra
Originally posted by Socrato
"You dont have rights over someone else's body."
Oh I forgot a baby isn't someone else.
So you are suggesting that in utero fetuses have the right to control the bodies of their prospective mothers?
Oh, you forgot the mother is someone else too huh?
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by Jepic
Originally posted by Jepic
The woman doesn't have a right to abort if the man wants the baby.
Actually, she absolutely does.
So for example in the case of a woman who wants abortion but the man does not, a good deal would be for the woman to have the baby but hand full responsibility of raising the child to the man.
Forcing a woman to carry a child and give birth is NOT a "good deal" for her. Pregnancy and childbirth put her life at risk. It's not a "good deal" for her at all.
Originally posted by Socrato
Oh and stop sleeping around too.
Originally posted by QUANTUMGR4V17Y
reply to post by SearchLightsInc
I, politely, disagree.
If it were not for me driving the mother of my child to her doctors appointments, providing a stable home for her to live in while pregnant, food to eat, etc. etc. She had no family, no place to live, no car, no job, no where to go. Had I not been there to drive her to her emergency C-section, my son wouldn't be here right now.
It takes two people to make a baby.
One parent should not take precedence over another.
The mother of my child wanted to have him, until she had him. She thought being pregnant was cute, then basically, bailed.
All I'm trying to point out is, not everything is clear and cut with this topic, thus a blanket judgement should not be given.
The wife of a man who donated his sperm without her knowledge is campaigning for married men to require their spouse's consent for the process.
She argues that in married relationships, sperm donation should be a decision both parties are involved in; she says in marriage, sperm should be considered some kind of 'marital asset'.
Daily Mail
Originally posted by Socrato
Originally posted by Myendica
. Where did I say anything about gender in that quote? You just hate men dont you.
Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
Originally posted by Myendica
Im going to leave the op with a small saying. Life, is often about sacrifice. Sometimes you need to step aside, and put your emotions ad feelings ad beliefs aside, and do what is right for all involved, not just whats best for yourself.
This expectation that would should "Sacrifice" for others is gender role brainwashing. She has rights to her reproductive organs and they should be acknowledged and RESPECTED.
I read that "RESPECTED" as "worshipped" and I don't think I'm too far off base with this one. Thank goodness people with such harsh and ignorant views are usually stuck low in life and do not control others or make laws.
Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
As a man I don't have any rights in regards to your reproductive organs, so we agree on that, but I do have rights to the unborn innocent human being that I am 50% responsible for creating.
It isn't about your ovaries, it's about the respect for and preservation of innocent life.