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Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
Originally posted by nenothtu
There's this newfangled contraceptive contraption. it's called a "quarter". It works by having a woman place it against the inside of one knee, and holding it in place with the other.
Same goes for guys - if you don't point that thing at a woman you ain't willing to marry, you'll be ok.
What? Being willing to marry some one you knocked up doesn't mean we will be okay.
Believe it or not, married couples have abortions as well, sometimes... So, no, just being willing to marry some one is not going to make everything okay.
People get pregnant, married or not.....And sometimes people don't want that baby, married or not....And if that is the case.... it's time to sit down with your spouse and discuss options...
Because, ladies and gentlemen, as shocking as it may be.... Married people can accidentally get pregnant too.
Originally posted by VforVendettea
To all men who are crying foul over this.
I think the only right the man should have is the right to pay for a surrogate and the surgery for an embryonic transfer. We are talking ballpark $100,000.00 US. and FULL responsibility for the child afterward.
How bad do you want that kid now?
Originally posted by nwtrucker
reply to post by SearchLightsInc
If I repeat others on this, I apologize. The thread isn't worth reading through.
The simplicity is you can't have it both ways. Claim male responsiblity for financial support etc. and then clain "no rights". The two concepts go hand in hand, "rights and responsiblities".
One doesn't need a womb to love and cherish their children.
Each day more men are more active in the rearing of children, successfully, I might add.
You can't pick and choose the rules to suit you then ignore or argue against them at a later time. If you try, you will be ignored....
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Why do you have a double standard...why are you for equality in all other cases except this one???
None of that justifies murder of another human being OR the defense of an inequality in our society.
Originally posted by Endorra
Originally posted by Jepic
Rape is a crime. The rules of the game change to favour the victim.
Casual sex is not a crime. The rules of the game change to favour both the man and the woman.
Both involve my reproductive organs and the chance for pregnancy. I am sorry that talking about abortion includes real life situations and is not all neat and tidy.
Originally posted by TarzanBeta
It is written that man and wife become one flesh; that the woman's body belongs to the man and also the man's body belongs to the woman. There is nothing they may keep from each other. They may not deny each other sex unless it is at a presupposed time which has been agreed upon for times such as prayer and fasting.
Man is the head of the woman, just as Christ is the head of man.
The woman is the glory of the man, just like man is the glory of Christ, and Christ is the glory of the Father.
Just as woman was made of man, so are all men born of women.
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Now, it must be addressed that a man and woman are man and wife when they have sex. Again you argue?! How arrogant. When a man and woman have sex, they become one flesh. THAT IS MARRIAGE. The state is an invisible entity; it is not a good decider of nature. Legal marriage is a marriage of finances, not flesh.
But if a woman has not yet had sex with a man, then that man does not have right to her body; her father and mother do because she IS their flesh combined; she IS them. But when the woman consents to sex with a man, she has given up rights to her body that instant. Hence the reason that in what you call the "olden days" woman actually WAITED - because she understood she was giving up her God given rights to her own body at that point. But at the same point, the man also is consenting to give up rights to his body. But of course, you have no problem with that do you; because you are of a perverted mind - but if you really knew what that meant, I am sure most of you men would hesitate to agree.
But then let us also remember that Christ brought forgiveness into this world. So we should not hold each others past against each other. No, what is done is done and is not undone. But knowing that also, we should all take responsibility for our actions instead of seeking to undo what is done.
God's law is greater than man's law. Where man's law conflicts with the Lord, the Lord we should obey. "We should obey God rather than men," as it is written.
Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by SearchLightsInc
Dear SearchLightsInc,
I have no right over anyone's body except my own and I am a man. I also found out that my ex killed our first child without telling me. We had others, She is solely responsible for killing that baby. I also know that she came regret killing that baby.
Where in your conversation do you talk about right and wrong. Killing a baby is wrong, that simple. Tell the truth, most abortions (baby killings) are done because the child is a female and they want a boy.
Originally posted by Jepic
Originally posted by Endorra
Originally posted by Jepic
Rape is a crime. The rules of the game change to favour the victim.
Casual sex is not a crime. The rules of the game change to favour both the man and the woman.
Both involve my reproductive organs and the chance for pregnancy. I am sorry that talking about abortion includes real life situations and is not all neat and tidy.
And they both involve the male reproductive organs and the chance for pregnancy.