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WHY on Earth would you write in RP if you can vote Gary Johnson/Jim Gray??!

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posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 12:25 AM
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I'm with you. In the early 90s, my political science professor had warned us that within our lifetime, we'll be seeing a one party system. Even though I'm voting for Romney, I see your point. My opinion is that much of the Ron Paul supporters are actually Democrats rigging away votes.




posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 12:34 AM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
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Wanting to get rid of corporate regulation goes against the Bilderberg group?



Why do you assume they would want to get rid of corporate regulation? Are they not writing and lobbying for the corporate regulations? I thought the Bilderberg group is the evil entity that runs the world?



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posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 12:41 AM
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No, corporations are lobbying against regulations and for more tax breaks. Less regulations = more profits. Hello!!!


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posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 01:00 AM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
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No, corporations are lobbying against regulations and for more tax breaks. Less regulations = more profits. Hello!!!


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So regulations couldn't be put in place to prevent competition, control consumers, or control the market?

If you are top dog and you control the gov't via lobbying means why wouldn't you want bigger gov't? In essence if control the gov't and the gov't controls the consumer and the market you control it all. Is it coincidence that regardless of which party is in power , gov't keeps getting bigger?

I find it difficult to believe that despite the billions year after year in Washington the lobbyist spent they have not been able to remove certain regulations? I don't believe politicians put more weight in political ideals versus money and greed. So I think its all working for the most part the way they want it , since they are writing or sponsoring the laws in the first place

Does the Oil companies really loose money by not being able to drill? I say no, they just pass the bill to the consumer by charging a higher price and the gov't benefits as well by getting higher taxes on the price increase. So where does the Oil company loose money with these anti drilling regulations? Why does the Oil company care if they have to charge you more money as long as the market bares it?

These guys in Washington are not straight shooters and they come from all angles. Sometimes the true intent of the regulations is not what it appears.



posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 01:02 AM
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Originally posted by Erongaricuaro

Originally posted by Grimpachi

Originally posted by Erongaricuaro
Because with the Republican Convention just days away and not knowing what Ron Paul's intentions are afterwards it is just too gol darn early to say the heck with Paul and make a decision to go and support someone else before the primary season is over with while he is still in the game. Does that make any sense to you and maybe you can understand why your question is about a week or so too early?

Gary Johnson may be a good choice in November but just as the finish line for the race Ron Paul and his supporters have been competing for is so close it is rather ludicrous to quit on Paul at this very last moment. Keep your shirt on!


Can I assume by your post you and others think Ron Paul still has a chance? I thought everyone has realized that at this point.




Should I assume from your reply there is a pressing urgency to forego finishing this pageant so that Gary Johnson receives the advantage of having some Paul supporters in his corner a week earlier than if this possibly history-making drama gets played out to its very end conclusion? Would that make the world a better place, other than just for the RNC and the current Two-Party paradigm as we have come to know and love it?


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Looking back at my post I realize I didn’t finish one of my sentences which may have thrown you off.

No I am not pushing for such things I was asking a question and although I am not shocked by the answer you gave I do think what you are hoping for is next to impossible.

I just really do not see how anyone could still think Ron Paul has a chance in this election at this point not that I think Gary Johnson does either but from the things I have been reading the RNC seems to have been doing everything in their power to keep Ron Paul from even being an option.

I genuinely did not realize that there are still those out there that believe Ron Paul could be the nominee at this point but I have no problem with anyone that is pursuing such an endeavor because that is their right.

My second question is about those who keep insisting they will be writing in Ron Paul’s name this year when that will not even be an option for many states like my own but I guess that question will be more suited for after the convention.

I hope that clears things up.



posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 02:15 AM
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Originally posted by Grimpachi

...I have been reading the RNC seems to have been doing everything in their power to keep Ron Paul from even being an option.

I genuinely did not realize that there are still those out there that believe Ron Paul could be the nominee at this point but I have no problem with anyone that is pursuing such an endeavor because that is their right.

My second question is about those who keep insisting they will be writing in Ron Paul’s name this year when that will not even be an option for many states like my own but I guess that question will be more suited for after the convention.


I doubt there are many who have high hopes of seeing a President-elect Ron Paul as a reality in 2012. That fact is though that it is or could be a possibility since there has been no convention held yet to determine who is to be the Republican candidate in November. Had there been a spirit of fair-play throughout the primary season with proper public vote-counts that were recorded accurately then the Ron Paul camp would have likely been satisfied with accepting a loss after playing their best game. However, many now know that has not been how the game was played against them. Therefore there is little desire to vie for the title of Miss Congeniality as consolation prize in this demonstrably rigged beauty pageant.

There is more honesty and solidarity in the Paul camp than there is for the mainstream political parties at this time, so you will see a lot of loyalty to Paul being displayed. Many do not see one major party's offering to be exceptionally different or better than the other's so there is felt little need to line-up behind one side over the other when either is quite despicable on their own merit. For this reason it is easier to offer a throw-away vote than to acquiesce and align behind to their corrupted offerings.

There will be that show of solidarity at least until this phase is completed and a new direction is marked. Rather than splintering-off most would like to stay focused on this particular objective while it is still active.



posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 04:44 AM
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Because the L party is just as corrupt as the R and D parties. Gary Johnson doesn't have the experience nor the conviction that Ron Paul would have. Not to mention that a third party will never get a chance in this crazy crackhouse of a republic anyways. Ron Paul tried and he got cheated out of any possible chance, what makes you think a third party would work?

The only chance of getting support lies within the existing duopoly, unfortunately. Otherwise, you're just hosting a reality TV show. Don't get me wrong, I wish America was smart enough to elect a party that's right for the country... but it's not. People in groups are far stupider than the singular version.

I really hope this changes someday, but I have a feeling it wont until something really bad happens.
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posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 08:54 AM
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Because the Freemason Ron Paul was given more publicity, even if it was in such a way that made it look like he wasn't getting any...



posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 09:16 AM
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People haven't heard of Gary Johnson/Jim Gray. It'll take a lot of money and advertising to get people to vote for them. No one knows them. It would be helpful if Ron Paul would 'endorse' them ... but I don't think that's going to happen. (and yes .. IF I vote at all, it'll be third party)



posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 09:38 AM
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I like Gary Johnson, but he is just a clone of Ron Paul. In fact, Johnson just piggybacks on RP by saying "Like Ron Paul" after everything he says



Ron Paul realizes something that Gary Johnson doesn't, that the vast majority of people in America are brainwashed into living within the two party paradigm. Ron Paul is described by many in the MSM as a Republican with Libertarian leanings. Gary Johnson is described as a crackpot Libertarian. They are both great, but RP stands the best chance. America isn't ready for a true Libertarian, or more accurately, a Classical Liberal, which both of these men are. The other side does this as well, for example, Howard Dean is Socialist and everyone knows it, but Obama convinced America that he was a moderate Democrat because Obama knows what Ron Paul knows, that America only sees the R and D.



posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 09:44 AM
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why indeed...


i'm voting Gary Johnson/Jim Gray this time since my former standard bearer (Nader)is not running this cycle

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posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 09:52 AM
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Okay, I'm confused (not unusual re politics)....
I thought Paul had withdrawn his bid. Is he even going to the convention? If so, fantastic, then there's still a chance the delegates will flip and NOT nominate Romney .....please, please, if any of you delegates are on here...PLEASE, exercise your right to flip...

If Paul does go to the convention, and gets there alive, he could still be the nominee....right? *fervently praying, for whatever that's worth*

I had come to the conclusion that the electoral college gets to make the decision (which is an inheritently BS system, NOT a democratic free election)....
the popular vote doesn't really matter, does it? Even if every single person wrote in Paul (if allowed), couldn't the EC still make Romney the POTUS?

Uggg, this is such a mess. Such a big, impossible mess.
And no matter WHO gets in the White House, then they have to contend with the Congressional bickering and backstabbing and undermining and stalling and fussing and spitting and....
Ugggghh


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posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 01:55 PM
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OK you explained that well to me. I was under the impression that Paul had zero chance because of political maneuverings on the RNCs part. I know they had been in the process of striping delegates and replacing them with ones favorable to their agenda. I find their actions despicable and a mockery of democracy. I don’t know how they can even try to justify this but I had assumed they accomplished their goal of eliminating Paul from even being a contender.

From what you are saying Paul still as a chance no matter how slim so by all means I am glad people are going to see him through to the end.



posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 10:40 PM
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Gary Johnson dropped by the P.A.U.L. Festival yesterday and spoke a few words. There is every likelihood I will be supporting Johnson in November. He seems like a good man, honest, and is liberty-minded.


Paul also addressed the crowds today. He states that the number one thing we can do, the first thing to fix that will likely solve our myriad of other problems plaguing the country, is to stop the attack on our personal liberties.


He is the original, the real deal.

Who is claiming ownership over us that denies us our most basic rights? We must step forward and re-assert our claim over our own selves. That basic tenet should never have come into dispute.


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posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 01:03 AM
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If you plan on writing Ron in, make sure it is legal in your state to do so otherwise, your choice in the survey won't be counted.



posted on Aug, 28 2012 @ 05:55 AM
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Originally posted by wildtimes Okay, I'm confused (not unusual re politics).... I thought Paul had withdrawn his bid. Is he even going to the convention? If so, fantastic, then there's still a chance the delegates will flip and NOT nominate Romney .....please, please, if any of you delegates are on here...PLEASE, exercise your right to flip...



They shouldn't feel bad about it either; as much as Romney flips, but he also flops just as much on his face to the majority of Americans.

People have grown tired of the; corporate executive type and career politicians running things. They put corporations before people(they are not people! They are an entity) and have a scratch my back I'll scratch yours mentality with corporations. The REAL people of the US and their great great grand kids will be bearing the load, of these types of politicians. It's We the PEOPLE...not US and corporate interests.
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