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Australia rejects permanent US military presence - welcomes long term relationship with China.

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posted on Aug, 25 2012 @ 10:46 PM
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I agree with Carr in that we should not have U.S bases here in Australia but I am very skeptical about the intent and morality of the Chinese. Australians would do well to research the behaviour of the Chinese when they invaded Tibet in the 1930's

Estimates of the number of U.S military establishments in other country's varies from several hundred to over a 1000. Apparently the exact number is a vary closely guarded secret so much so that this knowledge is witheld from each and every president.

Interestingly; there is zero military establishments on American soil owned by other counteries. The U.S. will not even allow their 'allies' to put military bases on American Soil.

So who is the most war like people, the U,S, the Chinese or 'other. eg Iran who not invaded any country in the last 100 years as apposed to the U.S who has invaded how many counteries in the last 100 years'??




posted on Aug, 25 2012 @ 11:04 PM
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Originally posted by learnatic
[. Australians would do well to research the behaviour of the Chinese when they invaded Tibet in the 1930's


Actually, Australians would be advised to research what life was like under the feudal system, before they were 'liberated' by the Chinese.

The Chinese themselves, have said that they believe in a 'peaceful rise'. I have no reason to doubt that. It would seem stupid to risk all the modernization efforts that have taken place in the country, for war.

India seems more of a threat to the stability in the region, in my mind.



posted on Aug, 25 2012 @ 11:18 PM
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The Chinese themselves, have said that they believe in a 'peaceful rise'. I have no reason to doubt that. It would seem stupid to risk all the modernization efforts that have taken place in the country, for war.


Agree - "conquer with kindness" is apt. I have many friends from mainland China and they are so Westernized that it is not funny. None seem to give a # about "invasion" or such philosophies - but they are just the citizens.

If invasion results in occupation and control of resources then China has done exactly that but very subtly and without any need to raise arms. Export figures to China verify that they get the majority of our dirt (Iron ore) and Gas anyway - and we are happy to give it to them - they have my blessing because they keep me in a job.

Militarily they are not a threat - especially if they build weapons and such like they build ships - cheap and nasty



posted on Aug, 25 2012 @ 11:24 PM
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Originally posted by UsualSuspect
No one wants American troops on their soil. They are murderers. They kill innocent families in the name of peace? Stopping terrorism? They are terrorists!
America, stay home!


I think your trying to say that the WHOLE WORLD is pissed off with these bloody war mongering yanks.

Equador just sent a message to the USA,

Mod Edit - unnecessary profanity removed - please do not evade the automatic censors
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posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 12:45 AM
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We're just cutting out the middle man... zing.



Just to confirm, the military presence isn't for our benefit, even though it is sold to the masses that way.



posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 12:51 AM
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Good for you Aus. As an American I feel the worlds wrath towards US. I agree with it. We are way out of bounds.

When I look at the history of war going all the way back to the Big WWII, I see your country sort of not being caught up in it all. Whatever you are doing, it works... keep it up.



posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 01:05 AM
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Ah.......don't be so hard on yourself mate. To me there is a clear distinction between an American (the individual hard working type) and your governments policies.

However, that being said, I believe our media is a little more forceful in "keeping the bastards honest" as opposed to being in the pockets of the wealthy and Aussies have a knack of ousting anyone who doesn't tow the line - regardless of when elections occur. We are still fed BS regularly though and election promises are seldom kept - we just don't let it slide as much as you folks. Plus we call it as we see it - you know - if it looks like # and smells like # - chances are it is #




posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 01:19 AM
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Australia needs to harness their relationship with both the USA and China - of which are two very corrupt nations that will crap on their "allies" faster than a blink of the eye.

We have to stay firm on both relationships; we need China to keep our economy going and we need the USA for defence even though I think both NZ and Australia are quite capable of protecting the South Pacific since we are not at war with any one and nor is any nation threating us other than the TPPA and the UN's "Agenda 21".



posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 01:31 AM
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I appreciate the sentiment. But really? The problem with America begins with Americans. We make it possible for our government to do what it does by our actions and inaction. Without beating us up to much, I will keep it on a humorous level...

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posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 04:37 AM
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bah, American bash fest'.

There aren't going to be new US bases as was already known a long time ago and also for a very long time being closer to China is logical, but put AUS and US at odds on a troll thread and out come the haters, again and again...

Indonesia is a far more important and impacting nation at this juncture. That what I'm seeing when I watch the news, but where's the fun in adding them to the mix?



posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 04:42 AM
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Originally posted by squandered
bah, American bash fest'.

There aren't going to be new US bases as was already known a long time ago and also for a very long time being closer to China is logical, but put AUS and US at odds on a troll thread and out come the haters, again and again...

Indonesia is a far more important and impacting nation at this juncture. That what I'm seeing when I watch the news, but where's the fun in adding them to the mix?


Squandered, why be so dismissive? Are you an American? Is it not fair for Australians to question the presence of foreign troops on their soil?

It is a divisive issue with Australia, and public debate should be welcomed.



posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 04:56 AM
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just to give a little bit of an insight into why this is so strange and that there is an awful lot more to this story that meets the eye.



It was an irony that our most cosmopolitan politician was fated to work mostly at the state level. But for nearly 20 years Carr has attended the Australian-American Leadership Dialogue. Henry Kissinger, Bob Zoellick, Kurt Campbell and countless other American movers-and-shakers are friends and acquaintances.

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As many know Henry Kissinger tends to have a very big role in world affairs and must be a psychic because he knows what is happening before it happens.



posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 05:41 AM
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this is actually great news. give me chinese overlords over amricans anyday of the week



posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 05:49 AM
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Now if only the Australians would give their people back their guns and focus on their own defense initiatives?

Not an aussie myself (Canadian here), but Australia has nothing to gain by allowing a permanent U.S base on their soil short of making themselves a target. Seems to me Australia should strengthen itself. We all know it's a strategic partner with western powers, and in the event of any global conflict Australia will have the full force of the west behind it.



posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 06:00 AM
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Id rather US boots on Aussie soil anyday than Chinese boots. Regardless of their double standards and # up in the world, and foreign policy blunders.

Chinese are hanging to take some of Australia for themselves.



posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 08:43 AM
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This is good point for discussion and I would like to add my two cents, but I hope participants can refrain from occasional aggressive comments made at general populations - We need to keep in mind at all times that it's not the 'people' making these decisions, so lets not paint them with the same brush as their/our government.

I personally disagree with the notion to build more foreign bases in Australia - My first reason for taking this standpoint when I read about this was that we are unfortunately already much more of a target than we used to be thanks to our government sending our soldiers to fight unnecessarily overseas, but the building of more foreign bases on our soil makes the country an increasingly larger target regardless of it's own actions abroad. Guilty by association as they say.

This is in no way a negative reflection on the American people themselves, instead a regret of their Governments actions, much the same as I regret certain actions of our own Australian Government who openly supported what the US initiated and sent troops to help them do it.. That which most of us now look upon as terrorist actions.

On this, I would like to say that like any Australian with their eyes open, I would have the back of any American (and anyone at all) fighting a just fight - for example a fight to break the current world elite regimes. So I hope all readers of this thread understand that any animosity that might be interpreted in posts is not directed at the people themselves, but instead it is a reflection of that persons opinion toward the actions of Governments.

On the point of Australia's relationship with China - The wording Carr has used makes me very curious. The level of Chinese ownership of mines over here has been well known for some time, likewise with the ore/resources trading to China and the necessity for an amicable relationship for trading. However there is just something in his wording that appears to be deliberately suggestive. This will be watched pretty closely by many I think..

That's enough for my first post.

(I should probably clear up that yes I am Australian, in case it wasn't obvious)


In Love and Light.


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posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by Sublimecraft
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However, that being said, I believe our media is a little more forceful in "keeping the bastards honest" as opposed to being in the pockets of the wealthy and Aussies have a knack of ousting anyone who doesn't tow the line - regardless of when elections occur. We are still fed BS regularly though and election promises are seldom kept - we just don't let it slide as much as you folks. Plus we call it as we see it - you know - if it looks like # and smells like # - chances are it is #



So true, but sadly this seems to be very much on the decline. Even though most seem to be aware, they are getting too accepting and willing to just swallow it with a "what can you do?" attitude. We can't afford to let it get any more lapse that it is now.



posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 09:48 AM
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No one wants American troops on their soil. They are murderers. They kill innocent families in the name of peace? Stopping terrorism? They are terrorists! America, stay home!


Exactly. No one wants anything to do with United States of Nazis anymore. I left this goddamn Obama/NSA suppressed nightmare of a country years ago and headed for Scandinavia. A pure paradise in comparison. I can say anything I want. The laws are just and pro-citizen. Politicians fear the people and not as in US where the boot of Obama and congress is felt on everyones head whether they admit it or not.

All I hear from my old home is bad news. Shootings here, corruption on all levels of society there. Looting everywhere. Like wild animals fighting for the last bits of flesh from the carcass of a once great nation.

Travelling through Europe or Asia it´s not easy being American. Everyone hates us. Sees us as nothing more than war crazed freaks and lunatics. It takes a lot of effort to prove the opposite.

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posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 10:58 AM
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Well, how about that? There is always someone criticizing MY, United States of America. When your chasing that Chinese $ you seem to forget what part the U.S. has played in insuring your freedom from oppression.
If it weren't for the U.S., you'd be speaking Japanese. Remember that "The friend of my enemy, is also my enemy" Your country's turn toward Socialism has so clouded it peoples thoughts you think up is down and down is up. Well, on second thought, you'll probably enjoy learning Chinese.



posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 11:20 AM
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There aren't words enough to describe how happy I am at hearing the news we won't get US bases in Australia! It's not often I'm ever happy with the government but this is one of the few times I have been in the past 12 years.

Also the other thing I'm super pleased with is that they aren't falling in line with the stupid anti-Chinese "containment" crap. China is a good partner of this country and I'm glad to see the government wants to keep it that way instead of antagonising them!

I am not anti-American by any means - but their bases don't belong here, and neither does their foreign policy. American people are cool - but the government is not.



in the event of any global conflict Australia will have the full force of the west behind it.


I don't agree. The US & NZ will no doubt be there when we need them, but looking at the only time Australia was ever threatened by a foreign military power, we were utterly abandoned before long by the UK. We can't rely on Europeans at all and it is stupid to orient our foreign policy towards them in any way, not that I have a problem with them of course but they are so far and out of the way that they will no doubt look after themselves. That the government orients our foreign policy towards the pacific is only a good thing. We should forget about "the west" and continue our alliances with the US, Japan, and other pacific powers.
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