This maintenance order you are refering to was fabricated after phone calls began flooding DOT offices way back in the early 1980's. Our local DOT knows nothing of this. "We change the signs when they get faded or destroyed, period. This dating thing is nothing we have done in the past."

This comes from a 37 year DOT employee retired who worked with the signs. He also told us that the supervisors put the markers on and he had no idea they were for dating signs. (And of course, they are NOT.)

The original markers in Michigan had no printed dates or inventory markings for what is described in the guide book. The explanations for them back then were lies, and it is no wonder that they are continuing to lie about it and fabricate documents to cover their butts. As I stated before I have the 3M warranty agreements for DOT road signs and it only covers the sheeting. The date sticker according to the DOT is for installation records for this warranty. The three page warranty sheet mentions nothing of afixing a "highly reflective" date marker on the back of the signs as proof of installation. They change roads signs here in Michigan at the drop of a hat.

By the way, the tacmars are NOT everywhere as you have attested to. Who do you work for?



[edit on 22-10-2004 by Carrierwave]

my old-man works for the NJDOT...

they are (just as QuietSoul AND MY FATHER has said) nothing more than maintenence/inventory control tags.

there is no hidden agenda by the gov't (federal, state or local).
if you could look on the backs of those HUGE signs they put on the overpasses on the freeway you would see the same stickers...

now tell me, why would they put the stickers on those signs??? no one is going to see them unless they are climbing around on the overpass... and don't gimme some line about "ohhh, those are the ones for the helicopters!"

come on people, the military IS NOT going to be ripping down a 8 X 15 (or however big some of em are) just to look at a sticker and say "duh... which way do i go george!?"

[edit on 10/20/2004 by Assassin]

Been a bit of discussion about all this, and I think it is interesting. I wonder if they do that here in Oz.

Anyway, could it be possible that they are tagged FOR GPRS? So when you go past, it gives you the next marker to turn off or somehting?

Methinks that Carrierwave has some sort of stake in these tacmars being nefarious, as he's only posted on threads about this, and followed this particular discussion over a year.

That strikes me as odd Carrier.

I'm suprised it took over a year for someone to talk to someone that works for a state DOT, or look for state DOT procedures.

Being involved in the research for nearly 9 years with others of like mind and heart should not strike you as being odd, especially when false information about these markers is spread on a forum that is supposed to be oriented to (above) top-secret research and "deny ignorance". I just feel someone should at least balance the equation. We have evidence, we have photos, we have interviews, we have the experience. It is a vital topic for those who love their freedoms and One Nation Under God. America is heading for trouble--these ARE the "signs of the times". This information was buried about ten years ago because the people believed the government's spin. People trusted what officials told them. After all, our officials are looking after our best interests, right? Our investigations prove they are lying.

What stake do I have in this? How about this--THE TRUTH. How about your freedoms and mine, warning others, caring about people and the future? Do you want the UN and NATO on our streets? Aren't you getting tired of the lies?

(By the way, we have found several gun shops marked)

Carrierwave~



[edit on 23-10-2004 by Carrierwave]

Carierwave,

About two months ago, I was visiting a friend who lives around Scott AFB IL. I was kind of on the lookout for signs with tactical markings. Although the signs up there had at least three stickers applied to darn near every sign, regulatory, route marker, etc., I didn't have the opportunity to get out and read the backs of them. I used to live there as a kid, and I have no recollection of any stickers being placed on the signs- this was the early seventies- to first part of the eighties.

Down here in Texas where I now live, I have not noticed any markers, except the route marker signs. Guess I need to go out tomorrow and look at the signs real close, so I can see what is placed on them. Maybe it will be of some help.

With the NWO, it kind of looks as if we are doomed anyway. Maybe if we tear off some of the stickers, the invading armies will get lost? LOL

wouldnt these stickers be a good thing in case of an emergency

why are you making all this fuss on stickers that tell people where to go?

We believe that this is a NATO plan, and yes we believe it is a conspiracy. If America ever falls, it will be under the guise of a national emergency. The presidents of this nation have been slowly chipping away at the Constitution by draconian executive orders that steal way freedoms, and what a better way to do it than during an extreme emergency nation-wide. Then add to this the Nato/UN military to come in to restore order. That is the purpose of the signcodes--foreign military incursion.

It started out as a Civil Defence Program with the safety of the public in mind. The buildings for shelters were marked, routes of escape were marked, food/ water storage, and medical supplies were stockpiled. What happened to this plan of civilian preparedness? It is now illegal to stockpile food, (hoarding laws). You can go to jail for starting your own pantry. The new plan is not a civil defence plan. It is a government plan with NATO in charge. Emergency management in the U.S. is the "Shadow Government" FEMA. "Operation Garden Plot" is the code name for this plan and it calls for UN/NATO intervention.

Carrierwave~

Carrierwave~

Well let's see,

It is no longer a secret. It merely seems the vast majority of Americans do not care or see the significance. Do You?

TUT

Carrierwave,

I got out of the car this morning and looked at the back of three route markers ganged together on a pole, and the stickers are only date and material type emblems.

But, I do believe in what you are saying. I have spent the last three years going over hundreds maybe even thousands of web pages trying to gather what is going to happen in the near future. It doesn't look good, and there are those who are too wrapped up in their jobs and family that they are not looking at the "BIG PICTURE."

I bet there is a lot of folks out there that only believe what is shoveled out to them from the evening news, regardless of which network/cable operator. Most of my family is like that.

Very Sad.

Thanks for your professional opinion. That sign photo at the checkpoint of Camp Grayling was taken by H.R. Green Jr. with a digital camera with a flash just before sunset. The lower-right marker was really faded but still retained highly reflective properties. The obvious use of the markers are for night-time, possibly blackout conditions. The markers have changed as I have stated before, but a numerical code of "3" stickers remains isolated from the other markers on the cluster.

I set out to debunk the signs several years ago but I came back astonished at what I saw. There are patterns, configurations, and symbols that are dominant in the sticker arrays that incriminate FEMA.

Carrierwave~