Thanks for the support GROUND ZERO!

Let us know what information you get from your uncle-in-law. Some of our best info has come from retired DOT folks. Most have stated this is a phony operation; dating road signs. There were tacmars on signs back in 1970's in Germany before the U.S. had any. Are we finally catching up with Germany in this hi-tech way of warranty of road sign? GET REAL! I have photos of them at the Nerumberg Court House where the Nazi war crimes trials were held. The truth is, NATO has finally infiltrated our government even at the lowest levels and next they will be knocking at YOUR doors.

Thanks again GZ

Carrierwave~

[edit on 12-1-2005 by Carrierwave1]

I took a look around on the roads and there are stickers on MANY (but not all) traffic signs, the town I live in is a major Naval town and we have many warships in the harbour...

Don't forget, NATO is a US initiative, so is the UN...If anyone infiltrated, it's the US

You two carry on then....

Haven't read much here, but are you guys saying the UN put in a secret road sign system in the U.S.?? Or that the roadsign system is for wartimes, so troops would know where to drive, etc...? I could believe the latter, but if you mean the UN is going to invade the U.S. or something, I find that pretty unrealistic.

[edit on 15-1-2005 by Broadsword20068]

NOT only in the US though, it's here in The Netherlands as well...

It's worldwide, but why is it secret then?

It may just be something a lot of countries have done; and if so, of course it would be secret. Remember, the U.S. and Europe originally had planned to have to possibly fight a WWIII with the Soviet Union, which would have meant U.S. troops coming over into Europe to help fight off the Soviets; that was the original way the U.S. military was designed even. So maybe the U.N. decided to make a standard roadsign system for wartimes, based on the European way of driving, to be implemented in most U.N. nations that would have to fight the Soviets head-on; this may have been put into the U.S. itself as well.

But the LAST thing people of the Cold War times wanted to hear was anything about a secret roadsign system, as there weas enough paranoia already. People would've panicked most likely, as they would've thought the gov'ts considered war very likely (which in reality they did for awhile).

I could believe the above scenario.

Or, maybe it is just a standard thing countries do, in case of wartimes (implementing roadsigns with directions like that). Or, maybe it WAS something they did, but no longer do, and thus that is why some people say the roadsigns have nothing on them, while others claim they can walk right up to a roadsign near them and find such directions.

There is more to this than lazy DOT sign workers. In 1998 we found dozens of them on I-75 Michigan on signclusters with as many 9 signs mounted on one support beam. Not one of those were date punched. We found several others that same night that were put up the day before by a contracted company working for the DOT.

When you have spent the hours, and yes, years we have observing these "mistakes", it becomes abundantly clear that the real reason for the markers is not date recording for sign warranty. Sign liability is off the scale. Just the weather alone, sunlight, salt, emmisions, bird droppings ect. are huge factors on how long a sign will last. According to 3M the only thing covered by any kind of liability is the "sheeting". The very fact the stickers were made "highly reflective" tells us that these are to seen at a distance from a vehicle on the roadway. The DOT does not employ personnel who drive around at night shining lights on the back of road signs to check the dates of a signs with flawed adhesive under the sheeting or that prematurely faded because of bird poop. It is totally ludicrous.

You newbees should go back and read more indepth the postings if you are that interested. We believe the signcodes are NATO inspired and is part of a FEMA/Geneva Convention operation for troop movements. Yet they are also marking vital sites and resources that goes far beyong some civil defense plan to protect the populace. The very fact this is a worldwide coding could only mean a UN and NATO operation.

Carrierwave~

Carrierwave, I think you are obsessing over this a bit too much.

First of all, you make a big deal over the fact that the date of installation was not marked on the stickers. So what. Maybe MDOT is using a different inventory system now, and they don’t use the stickers anymore. Furthermore, have you documented that any of the stickers are different from each other? If all the stickers are the same, date stamped or not, then WHAT’S YOUR POINT?


BTW, have you figured out how anyone traveling down the road is supposed to see that little sticker on the back of the sign?

Obsessing? It is one of the major features that debunks the whole idea. It also adds weight to other incriminating evidence. We were checking this stuff out way back 1995 and some before this. Let me remind you the MDOT has told us in 1997 that these markers with punch dates are for installation warranty confirmation tags. Like any warranty they want you to verify date of purchase so the warranty period is accurately enforced. There are NO serial numbers or inventory numbers on any Michigan tacmars, EVER. They are date of installation tags, I have a friend in Indiana who is doing research similar to ours. He has sent us documents from IDOT that verify the same thing; "Installation date records for warranty agreements."

If all of the tags are the same, what's your point? There is no unique information on each sign, so what difference does it matter?

I just don't understand what you are so concerned about.

You are right. But an investigator you are not. Look go back to Harold's website and read more. I was a skeptic once too. Crazy I am not. If you are not willing to check it out for yourself or just forget it. You don't want to believe it or you are just plain like like being a critic.

If you will look at those markers they are highly reflective and if they are "inventory" why aren't ALL the signs marked? Why are they in three's? Your problem is you don't want to know why, that is why you will remain willingly ignorant.

Carrierwave~

So with GPS and maps and such, what's the point of these comparatively primitive markings?

I guess I just don't understand the need.

This thread is very long. Back several pages are reasons I gave why this kind of sign markings are contingency back up system when GPS fails. Ground Zero mentioned this in his post. (They do fail contrary to popular rantings.) GPS malfuntions have happened in Iraq and got a small convoy ambushed when a glitch caused the drivers to make a wrong turn during a combat mission. Just a small signal glitch can throw off GPS 200 miles.

For all intensive purposes GPS may be disabled deliberately so civilians will not have this option if a martial law situation ensues. As I have stated more than a few times in my posts, the military is not so stupid to put all of their navigational eggs in one GPS basket. There are scenarios where this kind of failure IS going to happen. There are contingencies in place and maps alone are not enough and time consuming. Maps are used in conjunction confirmation signals such as land marks, buildings and other signals. We believe the road signs with tacmars are those signals. But it goes deeper than this. The codes are on billboards, and logos in advertsing visuals on the highways. I think some of you are not seeing the scenarios and are assuming and interpreting this in a perfect everyday, business as usual setting. 911 shut down air traffic and other services nationwide. 911 was just a small firecracker compared to what could happen. My point has been clear on this and has been logically thought out by many who have researched this also. If you are a thinking person I believe you will concur with our findings.

Carrierwave~

Just wondering, but what exactly are your findings, like, in terms of the purpose of these codes?

Why don't you read the thread?

Originally posted by Carrierwave1
Why don't you read the thread?

Don't! I have read all of it and I have lost the will to live.....

CarrierWave - one thing....if the NWO, or whatever, are going to take over why have you spent the last 9 years messing around taking (poor quality) pictures of the back of roadsigns and posting on internet discussion boards? Why aren't you actually out doing something that might stop them?


[edit on 19-1-2005 by FatherLukeDuke]

I don't wanna read the thread because it will be a waste of my time when you can simply tell me what your ultimate argument about all this is.

Are you saying the gov't or NATO did this in case of wartimes, or that NATO or the UN is trying to conquer the U.S.??

Well, fatherlukeduke I will report to you in full next time all of my political, social, and spiritual activities involving what I am doing to stop world wide facism and tyranical operations against your freedoms. You don't know the half of it. But I wouldn't tell you anyway. Thanks a lot for the encouragements, and by the way I didn't take all of the pictures, but if YOU would like to help, H.R. Green and I would not mind somebody donating an new digital camera to take future pictures.

It is amazing how critics come out of the woodwork and want to be spoon-fed like spoiled children. The signcodes are a foreshadow of your lost freedoms and liberty because they will be gone if this plan goes into effect.

Have a nice eternity, "father".

Carrierwave~