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and to that i have to say NO.
Living in America is all the reason you need to be able to vote
Originally posted by bjax9er
politico.com
george soros funded left wing propagandists
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by Hefficide
thanks and if i'm not mistaken, isn't Halliburton (or members thereof) tied into those machines somehow ?
atm, i forget the details but i do remember discussing such way back during the "hanging chad" days of old
www.thelandesreport.com...
Military defense contractors that also provide election services include: Accenture (a business partner of Halliburton, also a defense contractor), Diebold Voting Systems, Northrop Grumman/Diversified Dynamics/TRW (partners with Science Applications International Corporation, SAIC, also in defense industry), General Dynamics/Computing Devices Canada, Unisys (partners with ES&S), National Semiconductor Corporation, Hart Intercivic, Booz-Allen & Hamilton, and Perot Systems Government Services, Inc..
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There are no government standards or restrictions on who can sell and service voting machines and systems. Foreigners, convicted criminals, office holders, political candidates, and news media organizations can and do own these companies.
Originally posted by calnorak
Originally posted by PurpleChiten
Originally posted by calnorak
Originally posted by PurpleChiten
Of course voter fraud is rampant. The people who are "members" of the tea party have been involved in politics for years and they were the ones committing the fraud. They know first hand that it exists because they were the ones doing it.
LOL. Cough up some names, make sure its every member of the TEA party with evidence and I will believe your blanket statement.
I don't really care if you believe it or not, I believe it because I saw it happen. My belief is really all that matters to me, your belief doesn't mount to a hill of beans as far as I'm concerned.
Of course not, I asked for proof or evidence and you ignore it. It happens a lot, don't worry though I do it too sometimes. I still can't prove God exists but I still believe he does. I also believe voter fraud exists, but to say that the tea party are voter fraudsters, I would need proof.
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by Southern Guardian
SG, you are aware that i'm against the voter ID laws, correct ?
ok, now that that's clear ...
voter fraud is rampant enough that something should be done,
, however, my concerns lie with the massive fraud consistently identified, reported and dismissed by those responsible for prosecuting the offenders.
i wish we'd focus on repairing/addressing VOTE fraud rather voter fraud
for those who would like to know more ... read this ...whatreallyhappened.com.../
In 1998, almost 20,000 fraudulent voter registrations were discovered on the voting rolls, but were allowed to remain on the excuse that their removal in time for the election would cost too much!
Originally posted by bjax9er
your sources are all left wing shills.
try again.
Originally posted by SamLuv
reply to post by bjax9er
Buying a beer isnt a right. Its a privileged and so are all the other things you listed. Living in America is all the reason you need to be able to vote. You should be able to walk into your polling place and participate in your government. PERIOD
Originally posted by flyingdutchman2112
It's pretty much an accepted fact that there were many dead voters in Kennedy's 1960 victory mostly in Chicago, is where it's verified.
totally agree as the 15th Amendment guarantees.
it should not be a requirement for them to use their money to purchase.
not sure which ones you find "acceptable" so here's a few.
This is someting I'd like to read up on. Do you have a source?
outta space ... continued next post.
www.fed-soc.org...
Motor Voter made it illegal for states to require an individual to show identification prior to registering to vote and mandated that states allow mail-in registration. This made it possible for individuals who are not citizens to register and there is no mechanism in place to prevent false registrations. Studies done of voter registration rolls by independent groups have found them full of duplicate names, erroneous entries such as "God," household pets, noncitizens, and even, as reported by CBS' Sixty Minutes, the crew of the Starship Enterprise.
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The registration of noncitizens is another concern. The investigation into the Dornan-Sanchez Congressional race in California found numerous noncitizens and illegal aliens who had not only registered to vote, but had actually voted. Ten percent of a random sample of 3,000 new voters registered in California's 39th Assembly district that was checked by an independent election group contained phony addresses and many registrants who admitted they were not U.S. citizens. However, both the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Social Security Administration refuse to cooperate with state election officials to do routine checks of registrations to insure that the individuals registering are U.S. citizens. The Wall Street Journal highlighted a U.S. Justice Department directive last year that constrained election officials from even inquiring about a registrant's citizenship status. When states are not allowed to check someone's identification or citizenship before allowing them to register to vote and federal agencies will not check registrants to confirm that they are U.S. citizens, ineligible voters will continue to register and will stay on the voter registration lists, increasing the likelihood of fraud.
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Motor Voter also severely restricted the ability of states to remove the names of ineligible voters from the voter registration lists. As a result, the percentage of ineligible voters that are registered has steadily increased, creating a source pool for someone who wants to steal an election by generating fraudulent votes. Experts believe that anywhere from 10-20% of registrants are ineligible, unqualified, or bogus voters.
good enough source ??
www.fed-soc.org...
Now, several states are considering moving elections into cyberspace. Internet voting is being studied by the states of Washington, California and Florida and the Pentagon wants to test such a system for its overseas military personnel. As detailed in a recent study done by the Voting Integrity Project, Internet voting poses serious security risks because of the current state of the technology and the threat of wholesale theft of elections and interference by hackers or terrorists. Additionally, even a perfectly secure Internet voting system could not guarantee a fraud-free election given the corruption of the registration process and the ability of individuals to register without showing any identification.
* Hans A. von Spakovsky is an attorney and government affairs consultant. He is on the National Advisory Board of the Voting Integrity Project, the Executive Director of the Voting Integrity Project Legislative Alliance, and a member of the Atlanta branch of the Federalist Society.
Originally posted by Honor93
need more ?
you're welcome and pleeeez consider this ... i am not pointing fingers cause there are a lot of countries across the pond ... but, what IF ppl there [who are well aware of Motor Voter provisions here] took full advantage of the system WE rely upon ??
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Originally posted by Honor93
need more ?
No this is more than enough, I'm reading up on some of your links now, thanks.
Originally posted by SamLuv
reply to post by bjax9er
Buying a beer isnt a right. Its a privileged and so are all the other things you listed. Living in America is all the reason you need to be able to vote. You should be able to walk into your polling place and participate in your government. PERIOD
Originally posted by SamLuv
reply to post by The Old American
Apples and oranges my friend.
We are talking about the right to purchase a gun, vs. The right to participate in your government. I see your point, that these are two rights, both protected under the constitution etc. However, you could easily say that needing an ID disenfranchises people who could otherwise purchase a firearm. The argument is still valid, its just not the same.
I want every American to cast a vote, even if its directly against my own personal views because I respect their right to participation. I dont think there needs to be intervention when only 1% of the population is participating.