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Thanks for finding that information about the black stone at the Kaaba. It appears that making an oath to the rock is comparable to the western world
making an oath to the bible. There’s probably a legend associating Hubal to the black stone but it was likely destroyed by Muhammad’s army.
Part of the Islamic legend may still hold pieces of the original story. The legend said that a white stone fell from heaven. Then the stone was lost
during the Deluge. Later, Ibrahim found the stone with the help of an angel, but it turned black.
Since the stone was black during Muhammad’s time I would assume it was originally black and would be associated with Hubal. Since we’re comparing
Meccan mythology with Aztec mythology I wondered what was similar between the two cultures with a sacred black circular object. The first thing that
came to mind was the black sun mythology of the Aztecs.
For the Mexicas there were two suns, the young Day sun and the ancient sun, the Dark sun. Some scholars regard the mythological Black sun as the
ancient female origin of all, it is both tomb and womb. This way, it is the oneness that uniformly integrates unawareness, death, and yet an
expectation of fecundity. en.wikipedia.org...
The Aztecs associated the passage of the Black Sun, on its nightly journey through the underworld with the image of a butterfly. The butterfly, in
turn, is an archetypical symbol of the transcendent soul, transformation and mystical rebirth, whereas also seen in the figure of the frightening
earth goddess Itzpapalotl, the "Obsidian Butterfly", that devoured people during the solar eclipses, while the Aztec underworld was the eternal
dwelling place of the souls.
I find it interesting that the Obsidian Butterfly also fell from heaven.
As the legend goes, Itzpapalotl fell from heaven along with Tzitzimime and several other shapes such as scorpions and toads. Itzpapalotl wore an
invisible cloak so that no one could see her. At some times, she was said to have dressed up like a lady of the Mexican Court, caking her face with
white powder and lining her cheeks with strips of rubber. Her fingers tapered into the claws of a jaguar, and her toes into eagle's claws.
is a black volcanic glass rock. They make good arrowheads.
Where there’s Obsidian, there’s Obi-Wan Kenobi. “Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi! You’re my only hope!” – Princess Leia (Star Wars – New Hope)
I love the Star Wars saga. Pharoah, thanks for sharing that bit about the missing hands of both Skywalkers.
I can't believe it, Family Guy-Star Wars just started on the channel I was tuned to.
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