A Drug free cure for Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder

I considered putting this in the joke forum, but i decided not to because i believe this cure works.

I've heard stories from many people about how school used to be in the past... there were no drugs for kids with ADD... As a matter of fact, there was NO ADD period.

These days there are tons of kids that are diagnosed with attention deficit disorder, and so we have kids all over the world who are taking drugs to help with this issue...

We worry about our kids taking drugs in school, but have no problem giving them drugs as long as a doctor says its ok... Anyone else have a problem with this line of thinking?

This cure for ADD is excellent... I believe it was used in the past with fantastic results, and should still be used in this day and age.

And so people don't think im just spouting off here... I was diagnosed with ADD as a child... I took ritalin for 6 years and it did help... but i wasn't hyperactive... it turns out, i just hated school... and was bored with it.

Please enjoy this short documentary... and consider using its methods

The Cure

reply to post by Akragon


Cured me in my younger days, that's for sure!

I have dealt with ADD all my life and have never ...oooh lookit da squirrel!

Peace

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Not many kids with ADD have any problems concentrating on a video game.

Funny that.

There's no such thing as ADD. Its just another way of acting how you want.

I know about 6 kids that have been diagnosed with ADD, or as well call it here ADHD, they're all "problem" children who act out.

They either need a reasonable talking to, to get to the bottom of their issues, or if they're just plane disruptive for the sake of it, they need a clip round the ear.

Heck, until recent years, was anyone ever diagnosed with it? No, because it doesn't exist. Just another label to slap on some one for an excuse to drug em

my little nephew has ADD......

when he takes his pills he looks like he's speeding off his face. i tell my sister that this is equal to child abuse, she just smiles and continues to text on her phone.


i think child abuse is actually having a baby, these days.

To the people that deny add or adhd.

YOU HAVE NO FRIGGIN CLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am 38 and have had adhd all of my life and it has nothing to do with the lack of discipline.

My 6 year old is adhd and to discipline his outbursts is, in my opinion, child abuse.

The medication works.

so you think it is ok to beat children suffering from ADHD.

thats mature.

reply to post by Akragon

Hey, I am ADD, back when I was a kid they called it "attention span deficit." I just could not then, or even now, study on a subject that did not interest me. I simply could not concentrate on math, so I got Ds and Fs.
Then I discovered the cars. I found that working on cars calmed me down, allowed me to concentrate. Later in life I discovered computers, again, a challenge that interests me.

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I don't believe anyone is denying the medication works... Did you read the OP or not?

I know for a fact that Ritalin works... but in most cases it is not needed.

30 years ago there was no such thing as ADD or ADHD If your kid acted out we didn't automatically take them to the doctor to find the lastest pill to fix them... the parents gave him a clip up side the head to straighten him out... and it worked like a charm.

Now if you dicipline your child you can be tossed in jail... And i believe that is why there are so many Punk kids these days... Parents are afraid to dicipline their kids.

I say lets get back to the old ways....

I brought you into this world... and i can take you out of it!

I was diagnosed at 9 with ADHD, and the stupid little yellow pills took me from in-your-face "HI!! Who are you? How ya doin? What do you wanna go do??" new friends everywhere I went, to painfully shy, withdrawn, and more or less just the opposite of my natural self.

It never went away, I'm 32 now. The last time I joyfully greeted a stranger was over 20 years ago. I can't go into a job interview, a date, anything without being drenched in sweat and just wanting to crawl into a hole.

Give me "a little to much energy and trouble concentrating on one thing" over this "Ugh I hate making eye contact" anyday.

BUT, in my opinion, medicating and physical abuse BOTH suck. The only way to deal with a kid with ADHD is to make sure they have a damn good personality and are met with smiles and "this is a live one" shared looks, instead of eye rolls and "ooh lordy".

Originally posted by azbowhunter
To the people that deny add or adhd.

YOU HAVE NO FRIGGIN CLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The medication works.

I don't doubt for one moment that some people have problems concentrating in an scholastic environment. Some people always did. Some of my friends, for instance, that went on to be successfully self employed.

I do suspect however that in the USA that it is horribly over diagnosed.

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That is what I have found in common with others who were diagnosed as kids. When you are a kid with ADHD, something you enjoy can make hours seem like minutes, and you can concentrate fiercely on it.

Something you are not interested in, time literally slows down, minutes become hours, your body starts to vibrate and feel fuzzy like you JUST...MUST....MOVE.

This is typical of most kids, but it is so highly magnified in kids with ADHD that trying to concentrate on something uninteresting feels like physical/mental torture.

It's not about discipline either, I've seen plenty of kids with ADHD fight SO HARD to beat this, they want to concentrate and do well so badly but their whole being is screaming "NOOOOO, THIS SUCKS"

I was a very hyperactive kid in the days when there wasn't ADHD. I was often smacked by adults.

Believe me, a "clip on the ear" doesn't work. It doesn't really fix the problem and really all it does it causes more behavioral and social problems later in life. If a child isn't allowed to channel their energy, then they will get worse and develop more problems later on.

I don't believe there is any real cure. It may alter behavior, but in the long run any cure will just cause other problems.

I am speaking from experience. It may not seem like it, but I have a lot of social problems because of the things I went through as a child with them pulling every dirty trick in the book to get me to sit down and shut the frock up.

It's all about control and shutting people up.

I wish that people would learn to channel these kids energies into something more productive and constructive rather than drugging them into unthinking robots or smacking them all to hell and back.

Originally posted by maus80
When you are a kid with ADHD, something you enjoy can make hours seem like minutes, and you can concentrate fiercely on it.

Something you are not interested in, time literally slows down, minutes become hours, your body starts to vibrate and feel fuzzy like you JUST...MUST....MOVE.

That sounds as if you are a kinesthetic learner

Characteristics of Kinesthetic Learners

Kinesthetic learners learn best by moving their bodies, activating their large or small muscles as they learn. These are the "hands-on learners" or the "doers" who actually concentrate better and learn more easily when movement is involved.

Link

Kinesthetic Learner tend to struggle in an academic setting. Some people are just not suited to learning in a classroom.

On the other hand, how many accountants could handle learning to be a car mechanic?

Does that mean they have the opposite of ADD and need some sort of medication?

to suggest that ADD/ADHD does not exist is pretty ignorant, i've worked with well over a hundred teenagers who have these conditions to varying degrees, some of who's lives are very deeply challenged by it and require a great deal of support for it.
on the subject of ritalin type drugs, if you get a "speed" like reaction then you really dont have the conditions or it would have the reverse of the expected amphetamine style hit - teens (my age group of practical/professional experience) with these conditions will actually find their mental processes more ordered and kinetic symptoms lessened as a result of taking them. the question of weather it is ethical to give kids daily amphetamine-like drugs is another matter..
the problem is rather that the diagnosis is a lazy cop out by some doctors/teachers/social workers (etc) who most likely believe that they can have no effect on the bad parenting/early life trauma/poor diet and general pernicious nature of modern society on many vulnerable youngsters so decide to resort to inappropriate prescribing instead.
and as weather ADD/ADHD is a "new" thing (ie why was the condition not noticed 100's of years ago), part of this is due IMO to changes in society - if your life 300 yrs ago was tilling the fields, eating foods free of modern chems, "knowing your place/role in society" and not living in a instant gratification socity then many of the stimuli that encourage percieved negative symptoms simply are not present, plus living in a supportive community makes a massive difference. i have experinced this first hand by successfully therapeutically treating young folk in alternative environments for many years.
A good parallel example of this is how people with asperger's syndrome in times past would have lived a very ordered life as (for example) monks, scribes, watchmakers etc etc. Modern life is just not set up to allow people on the autistic spectrum to fit in as well as in the past.

and on the subject of the OP vid, yar it's funny and sure i have been sorely tempted to take that route at times, but putting my serious hat on, i have dealt with kids who have been beaten black and blue by some "caring" individual in their early years, and they sure as shoot did not benefit, unless PTSD is suddenly good for you

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i too have observed this many times - but then a video game gives repeated hits of instant grat, which requires no attention span and feeds into ADD/ADHD perfectly. However it simply locks them in to that kind of thinking even more and results in hightened behaviour afterwards (IME)

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Study: Why Attention Deficit Disorder Is Over-Diagnosed

The rates of ADHD diagnosis in the developed world have become almost inflationary, increasing annually by an average of three percent from 1997 to 2006 and 5.5 percent from 2003 to 2007 in the U.S.

Researchers led by University of Basel's Katrin Bruchmueller surveyed 1,000 child and adolescent psychotherapists and psychiatrists across Germany.

CONCLUSION: ADHD is over-diagnosed because doctors rely too much on their intuition and not on defined, established diagnostic criteria.

Link

"Is ADHD Diagnosed in Accord With Diagnostic Criteria? Overdiagnosis and Influence of Client Gender on Diagnosis," published in the Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology.

The study found that doctors do not follow diagnostic manuals and are also twice as likely to misdiagnose a boy as a girl.

The study found that doctors do not follow diagnostic manuals and are also twice as likely to misdiagnose a boy as a girl.

in my professional life dealing with these conditions i have dealt with ten times as many boys as girls, and roughly 19 out of 20 would have been white - these things seem far less prevelant (in the uk) amongst asian and afro-carribean kids, though i suspect that this is at least in part due to these communities often having stronger support within the family.

Originally posted by skalla
i too have observed this many times - but then a video game gives repeated hits of instant grat, which requires no attention span and feeds into ADD/ADHD perfectly.

I disagree that video games don't require an attention span. Video games not only require concentration but a single minded level of concentration that exceeds the attention span successful students maintain in a classroom.

Even the best student only pays attention to about 50% of what the teacher says.

Someone who only pays attention 50% of the time playing a video game would die rather a lot. Kids with ADD don't seem to have that problem.

You mention instant gratification. That suggests an inability to delay gratification rather than an inability to concentrate.