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Originally posted by rottenrascals
reply to post by NorEaster
In New York City acquiring a gun is not an easy task. Anyone who goes about doing so probably already has it in their head to do some damage. If it wasn't a gun, it would be a knife, a car, a pipebomb, or his bear hands.
A person who wants to kill, will kill, regardless of the tools he uses.
Originally posted by Common Good
Cops obviousloy cant stop people from killing other people.
So why try to take their rights to protect themselves away?
Stupid gun control freaks dont know a damn thing about self protection.
Originally posted by pajoly
reply to post by smokenmirrors
Maybe you are right, if what you are saying is that the U.S. is as corrupt as Mexico, versus more civil in nature as, say, western Europe.
Plus, Mexico's gun violence is fed because of America's idiotic drugs laws. Legalize, regulate and tax recreational drugs in the U.S. and Mexico's drug cartels will collapse, and their violence along with it. Use your critical thinking skills and see how connected things are. Nothing happens in isolation. It is the butterfly effect.
Originally posted by pajoly
reply to post by Sly1one
Silly red herring. To say we can't get rid of guns because there is simply too many of them is small minded. That sort of thinking prevents solving any big problem. To give up because something seems too daunting is weak.
Not long ago carrier pigeons filled the sky in numbers so numerous they would block out the sun. Buffalo once dominated the plains. Tel Aviv was once a lifeless patch of hard scrabble. Standing on the moon was thought fantasy.
I grant though eliminating guns in the U.S. is an impossibility in the face of the archaic second amendment.
Originally posted by Symbiot
People hate each other. People desire to be in control of their own lives, but in societies around the world no one is in control of their own life. When a person goes to work only to be yelled and screamed at by their customers or their supervisors they become angered. Not able to vent this anger towards those that caused it, customer or supervisor, one must bottle it. The anger does not go away, but only builds until one day it explodes in a massive violent outburst. Not everyone deals with anger in the same manner, but there are those that will hand it back to those that gave it to them, society.
In today's world people are generally rewarded for being complete jerks. You can walk into a store and scream at the employees only to be rewarded with a discount, but this angers the employees bearing the brunt of this ridicule. The anger might not be released in that moment, but it will be released. It might result in a battered spouse, child, dog or even a massacre. We throw the killer in jail, but those that turned him into a killer? Rewarded.
Originally posted by Phoenix
Originally posted by Common Good
Cops obviousloy cant stop people from killing other people.
So why try to take their rights to protect themselves away?
Stupid gun control freaks dont know a damn thing about self protection.
Agree, unfortunately all police can do is provide the caulk
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Hey, I thought guns don't kill people???
Oh right...they kill multiple people in a short amount of time and with little effort.
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
This is why you fire people on Friday afternoons...not on Thursdays.
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
This is why you fire people on Friday afternoons...not on Thursdays.
Originally posted by pajoly
reply to post by Sly1one
Silly red herring. To say we can't get rid of guns because there is simply too many of them is small minded. That sort of thinking prevents solving any big problem. To give up because something seems too daunting is weak.
what the hell does this have to do with un-inventing guns?
Not long ago carrier pigeons filled the sky in numbers so numerous they would block out the sun. Buffalo once dominated the plains. Tel Aviv was once a lifeless patch of hard scrabble. Standing on the moon was thought fantasy.
I grant though eliminating guns in the U.S. is an impossibility in the face of the archaic second amendment.
Originally posted by GLaDOS
Is there ever a day in the US without a shooting?
19 hurt in 7 overnight shootings in Chicago
By NBCChicago.com
Nineteen people were wounded in at least seven shootings within eight hours overnight Thursday in Chicago, police said.
usnews.nbcnews.com...
Eight of them, mostly teenagers, were struck in what's believed to have been a drive-by shooting around 9:15 p.m. Police were patrolling the area when they heard the gunfire at 79th Street and South Essex Avenue.
Two 14-year-old boys, a 15 year-old boy, two 16-year-old boys and a 19-year-old woman were taken to area hospitals in fair to serious condition. A 28-year-old male was taken to Stroger Hospital in critical condition.
Forty homicides have been recorded so far this month, RedEye data shows. Thirty-seven homicides were logged in August 2011.
We were seeing four and six shootings in the hours after an initial event," said Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy. "They go back and forth like a tennis ball. You shoot us, we shoot you; you shoot us, we shoot you."
Mourners say goodbye to 16-year-old Joseph Briggs, above, at his June 20 funeral at New Zion Grove Missionary Baptist Church in Chicago. He was shot in the head during a drive-by attack while he sat on his front porch with his sister.
online.wsj.com...
In the first half of this year, 259 people were murdered in the city—a 38% uptick over last year. By contrast, New York, a city with more than three times the population, had 194 homicides in the same period, a 17% drop over last year.t
The directive for police to cover the Jarrett wedding arrives at a time where Chicago is facing a surge in its homicide rate. The Daily pointed out in a Friday column that more Chicago residents -- 228 -- have been killed so far this year in the city than the number of U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan - 144 -- over the same period.
The war zone-like statistics are not new. As WBEZ reports, while some 2,000 U.S. troops have been killed in Afghanistan since 2001, more than 5,000 people have been killed by gun fire in Chicago during that time, based on Department of Defense and FBI data.
Chicago's murder rate is also currently quadruple that of New York and double Los Angeles' rate. Gun violence Friday evening into Saturday took the lives of at least one person -- Antonio Buck, of the 5400 block of South Aberdeen -- and wounded at least seven others, including a 16-year-old boy shot in the lower back around 11 p.m. Friday.
Originally posted by NorEaster
Originally posted by rottenrascals
reply to post by NorEaster
In New York City acquiring a gun is not an easy task. Anyone who goes about doing so probably already has it in their head to do some damage. If it wasn't a gun, it would be a knife, a car, a pipebomb, or his bear hands.
A person who wants to kill, will kill, regardless of the tools he uses.
Yeah, but in the spirit of enlightened self interest, I'm okay with some idiot carrying a knife or his bare hands trying to kill me. It might even be fun to take the guy on, but I have no chance if he's got a gun - even if I have one but he's got the drop on me. The religion of unfettered access to whatever crowd-hosing weapon with a super-extended ammo clip a person is wetdreaming about is a really messed up religion. That anyone can possibly worship that and Christianity - and at the same time - is beyond my own ability to reconcile. The dichotomy is pretty obvious to the rest of the believing world, and it seems that only the American Christian is capable of this contradictory thought process. It's like a life/death cult of some sort, and almost similar to the way that Voodoo emerged from the confluence of African pagan and Catholicism in the Caribbean as a result of the slave trade bringing the two together. Just the weirdest mindset.