19 shot in overnight violence, 8 in one incident

the fear and paranoia i was talking about. the weapons industry loves this. loves it.

reply to post by lacrimaererum


I have no fear! I carry a firearm!

I have no paranoia, just a complete loathing of "concerned" citizens who want to dictate what I can and cannot do!

Your argument is weak, your analogy is poor, and your straw man tactics are juvenile!

When the mugger shoots your wife/husband/mother/father, you can at least rest assured you were correct in your own mind!

Originally posted by kennylee Like other posters have said, guns are banned in Chicago

As far as i am aware guns are not banned in Chicago.

Can you please clarify this statement. Thank you.

Originally posted by lacrimaererum
abclocal.go.com.../local&id=8784960

August 24, 2012 (CHICAGO) (WLS) -- Chicago police are searching for a person who shot and wounded eight people in one incident on the South Side at 79th and Kingston.

Two of the victims are 14- and 15-year-olds; both are at Comer Children's Hospital being treated for gunshot wounds. One of them was shot in the arm. Another was shot in the back of the neck.

These multiple shooting incidents are becoming the norm now.

THis is what happens when you allow society to arm itself. There can be only one outcome.

People need to act urgently before the US spirals into a bloodbath.

There is no trust in the US. People will not surrender their weapons because they cant trust each other.

Its a perfect example of a society on the brink of collapse.

The same folk will come here and trot out the same old excuses to justify arming themselves. Before you do that, maybe take a moment to think a little differently. Would it be possible that you could do that. Try to think differently. Before you resort to the same old justifications, think about where this is all going to end?

You need to hand over the weapons before you can progress as a society. Trust. Let go of the fear.
(It will be hard becuase you have been brainwashed to trust no-one since you have been a child. Problem is you are still children.)

edit on 24-8-2012 by lacrimaererum because: (no reason given)

Big debate here and I do see your point.
But if guns were legal to carry in every state, I am sure the fatality and injury numbers would be low.

I have seen it first hand myself where guns saved numerous lives.
Years ago, in a Stop&Go (convenient store) in TX, a man walks in and starts to yelling, saying everybody get down!!

I personally remember feeling so helpless and looking for a "weapon", a bottle of ketchup, can of soup or something.

Then two men one woman, one man was about 65yrs of age and the other man was about 25, now the woman, was a very attractive I would say 30 year old. All three of them pulled their pistols out and literally, this robber said "What the F-ck is this sh-t?" then immediately the robber put his gun down, put up his hands and said this "this is a F'd up state" and the place never got robbed and the person was arrested. And the police officer actually did check to see if these three people were legally carrying a concealed weapon. They were legal...

So you ask what if this happened to you? I ask you the same question and I know from experience you will wish you had a weapon (side arm) when literally UNDER THE GUN. So maybe put it in that perspective, if you and your family were in an unfortunate situation? You would want to protect them, right?

reply to post by lacrimaererum
ah geeeeez, more of this nonsense ?

multiple shootings have been around since guns first hit the market, nothing new there.
(especially when it's gang-bangers pulling the trigger)

actually, events like this are expected when criminals discharge the guns.

before the country spirals into a bloodbath

?? ?? doom porn just for spice or what?

i suppose this is another report of the same story as your link doesn't work for me.

www.chicagotribune.com...
Two people inside a car passing near 79th Street and Essex Avenue opened fire and hit eight people about 9:15 p.m., according to Chicago police. The shooting likely stemmed from an internal gang conflict between two factions of the same gang using 75th ...

so, you equate legal gun owners to the criminal gang-bangers, eh ??
why doesn't THAT surprise me one bit ??

any chance you can provide a link to any country whose gun laws/restrictions prevent such gang activities or violence for that matter ??
if not, please curb your opinion regarding guns as the guns are NOT gang-bangers.

and while you're at it, do tell, which countries, that have agreed to "hand over their weapons," have actually progressed as a society ??

Originally posted by redbarron626

When the mugger shoots your wife/husband/mother/father, you can at least rest assured you were correct in your own mind!

you respond with more fear and paranoia.

it consumes you so much you don't even see it.

reply to post by lacrimaererum


Once again a weak argument!

You cannot or will not accept the facts that you pointed out in your own thread!

16 people dead and its the guns fault?

Do everyone here a favor and take your own advice.....Grow Up!

Originally posted by lacrimaererum
19 shot in overnight violence, 8 in one incident (Updated at 06:11 AM today) [abclocal.go.com] (thank you omeglogos)

August 24, 2012 (CHICAGO) (WLS) -- Chicago police are searching for a person who shot and wounded eight people in one incident on the South Side at 79th and Kingston.

Two of the victims are 14- and 15-year-olds; both are at Comer Children's Hospital being treated for gunshot wounds. One of them was shot in the arm. Another was shot in the back of the neck.

These multiple shooting incidents are becoming the norm now.

THis is what happens when you allow society to arm itself. There can be only one outcome.

People need to act urgently before the US spirals into a bloodbath.

There is no trust in the US. People will not surrender their weapons because they cant trust each other.

Its a perfect example of a society on the brink of collapse.

The same folk will come here and trot out the same old excuses to justify arming themselves. Before you do that, maybe take a moment to think a little differently. Would it be possible that you could do that. Try to think differently. Before you resort to the same old justifications, think about where this is all going to end?

You need to hand over the weapons before you can progress as a society. Trust. Let go of the fear.
(It will be hard becuase you have been brainwashed to trust no-one since you have been a child. Problem is you are still children.)

edit on 24-8-2012 by lacrimaererum because: (no reason given)

edit on 24-8-2012 by lacrimaererum because: fix link

You do realize your example for a gun laden city is one of the most gun restricted cities in the nation, within the most gun restricted state our nation has, right?

I'm not sure it speaks against gun control when Illinois just about defines it and the result is.....all the bad guys have the guns they want while average citizens need something like an act of congress for a home defense weapon. It's not quite that bad, but compared to neighboring states, it's unbelievable.

Criminals have a safe working environment.

Originally posted by lacrimaererum

Originally posted by kennylee Like other posters have said, guns are banned in Chicago

As far as i am aware guns are not banned in Chicago.

Can you please clarify this statement. Thank you.

"The Land of Lincoln is the only state in these here United that doesn’t allow its citizens some form of concealed carry."

www.thetruthaboutguns.com...

Originally posted by taccj9903
I don't think it has anything to do with society allowing people to arm themselves. They can arm themselves with or without the help of societies laws.

I agree. Murder happens all over the world every day. How difficult would it be for someone to use chemicals, a vehicle, or a knife?

But although I agree with your sentiment, I go back and forth on this issue of gun ownership.

The intention was to allow the US people to remain armed so that they could overthrow their government if it ever became tyrannical.

I'm afraid that time has long ago passed.

The US federal government is responsible for assassinations around the world, indefinite detention without trial, torture of prisoners and lying to their own people. The federal government has become a monster already, and the Patriot Act should have been just that - a time for the real Patriot to Act to prevent the biggest attack on the freedoms of Americans ever witnessed.

Even when the US government decided to give your money to the bankers, no one bothered to even protest it in any significant way. That's like sitting back and watching someone walk into your house to start stealing from you, and then helping them carry the TV out to their car!

Even if the people did use that right to remove their government, how do we think that would go? Is anything the people have really going to even make a dent in the drones flying overhead, the tanks on the streets, the media manipulation?

The idea that a few citizens with glorified BB guns can overthrow a federal government armed to the teeth is so ridiculous now it holds no water at all.

So for those who think they own a gun for that reason, grow up, it's not going to happen, it's not an excuse.

As for it being the "right" of Americans to own some of the most destructive weapons from a battle field, when your constitution was written the most powerful weapon was a cannon. Do you REALLY think that if some of the weapons you have access to now were around back then they would have let you have them?

That's just insane! There is no reason for an American citizen to have access to a weapon that can kill hundreds of people every minute. There is ABSOLUTELY NO JUSTIFICATION for that at all. All those Americans in your history books would feel exactly the same way about that, and if you deny it you're a bigger idiot than I give you credit for.

Ultimately, I am for gun ownership, but not just any guns. I'm for gun ownership simply because it would be almost impossible for things to change in any meaningful way in America when it comes to this.

But I do think there should be tighter controls. And I definitely think that those who preach about them being able to overthrow tyranny better STFU. If you can't even be bothered to protest, you have no right to be quoting that idea.

Originally posted by lacrimaererum

Originally posted by kennylee Like other posters have said, guns are banned in Chicago

As far as i am aware guns are not banned in Chicago.

Can you please clarify this statement. Thank you.

Excuse me, not banned but heavily controlled. Here is an article about it.
abcnews.go.com...-So

Bucking a national trend toward more tolerance for firearms, Chicago today begins enforcing the toughest gun law in the nation -- and it's already under fire. Two lawsuits have already been filed against the ordinance, which bans gun shops in the city and limits permit holders to one ready-to-fire weapon inside the home -- excluding the porch, the garage or the yard. People are allowed to own more guns, but they cannot be loaded.

Okay OP, if you are a law abiding citizen and have a permit, you are allowed to have a gun INSIDE your home, but you are not allowed to have it outside at all, so all these shootings you talk about in your OP, did they all take place inside like the law states?

Originally posted by lacrimaererum

Originally posted by kennylee Like other posters have said, guns are banned in Chicago

As far as i am aware guns are not banned in Chicago.

Can you please clarify this statement. Thank you.

"The case stemmed from a 28-year-old Chicago law that was a rare, total ban on handguns."

www.usatoday.com...

...and just for fun, I'd like to add that Mexico has a total ban on firearms too, and we KNOW there's no shooting or killing going on there

Gangs and the fighting over who controls drug sales and other profits might have a bit to do with the gun violence.

I suspect that aspect is overlooked in the shooting debate. It's not limited to Chicago.

reply to post by lacrimaererum


Quit huffing the Downy. My car just go broken into for the second time in 3 weeks. I don't trust crap.

reply to post by lacrimaererum


I can't believe you got so many stars and flags, by calling for the people to give up their weapons because some random nutjob Joe went out and killed a few people..Hell, it's even a little exciting, don't you think? Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Guns just sure help to expedite the process. I mean just about any form of martial arts is capable of killing someone...Should we outlaw martial arts too? I mean you can pick up a big stick and beat somebody to death with it, should we outlaw tree's too? I mean ever heard of Sheriff Buford Pusser? Probably not...

The comments "Let's get rid of guns because they kill people." is both ignorant and disgraceful.

reply to post by kennylee


thank you for confirming that guns are NOT banned in Chicago.

reply to post by smokenmirrors


That is not true.

Idaho has an all out ban and my state is wrapped up in court because you need to justify a conceal carry. IN other words, prove to the court that your life is in danger.

reply to post by lacrimaererum


And who do you think is going to protect us? The government?

Do you think that by taking guns away that's going to instantly fix society?

Taking guns away from americans isn't going to fix anything?

In fact the criminals will just become bolder.

Originally posted by lacrimaererum
reply to post by kennylee

 

thank you for confirming that guns are NOT banned in Chicago.

They are not banned, however, law abiding citizens cannot carry a firearm legally in Illinois. The murders referenced in this post were done by criminal vermin in possession of firearms in a place that clearly restricts possession of firearms.....so please let us know how the streets of Chicago are safer now when you've posted yet another murderous rampage of criminals with guns in the windy city?

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by smokenmirrors

 

That is not true.

Idaho has an all out ban and my state is wrapped up in court because you need to justify a conceal carry. IN other words, prove to the court that your life is in danger.

If you are saying Idaho bans firearms you are clearly in the wrong....

www.usacarry.com...