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this, i can agree with but when you add the term "materialism", it just doesn't apply.
I'm saying that people who rape are wanting power and control, to "own" their victim.
apology back at ya ... at first i thought you were a male
Originally posted by Happy1
reply to post by Honor93
The feds can pick up a vet for posting something on facebook that is "anti-gov't", but they can't pick up the child porners that are posting on facebook? See the articles "pedo-bear" on facebook.
I don't understand the rest of your post. Maybe I need to read the beginning of the thread again. Sorry, I'm not arguing, I don't know. A bit scattered tonight reading other threads also, I apologize.
Originally posted by tracehd1
reply to post by hesse
Apparently people are just as ignorant as they were 30, 40, 20 yrs ago.
Originally posted by Myendica
I wanna hope the guy meant to ask them about their marriage, and perhaps they had an affair and got pregnant, theen claimed rape to protect her marriage.
Though republicants are shifty
Originally posted by Domo1
was this pregnancy caused by normal relations in a marriage or was it truly caused by a rape .
Uh, sounds like he saying are these women getting knocked up and then lying about being raped so that they can get the abortion. It doesn't sound like he is in any way suggesting women don't know what rape is.
I get that its become fashionable to highlight dumb things Republicans say, but this was five months ago and frankly I wonder if some women get pregnant and lie about being raped to abort the kid too. Doesn't mean I think women don't know what rape is.
ETA I think it's pretty clear who the actual morons here are.edit on 24-8-2012 by Domo1 because: (no reason given)
Just before the Idaho's Senate passed the bill, which requires woman to have an ultrasound prior to obtaining an abortion, opponents of the bill pointed out that it makes no exception for rape victims, incest victims or women in medical emergencies.
Winder, a Republican from Boise, responded to those concerns by raising the question of whether women understand when they have been raped.
“Rape and incest was used as a reason to oppose this," Winder said on the Senate floor. "I would hope that when a woman goes in to a physician with a rape issue, that physician will indeed ask her about perhaps her marriage, was this pregnancy caused by normal relations in a marriage or was it truly caused by a rape. I assume that's part of the counseling that goes on.”
In his closing debate in favor of SB 1387, Sen. Chuck Winder, R-Boise, said, “This bill does not require a trans-vaginal exam. … It leaves that up to the patient and the physician to make that determination.” He said, “Rape and incest was used as a reason to oppose this. I would hope that when a woman goes in to a physician with a rape issue, that physician will indeed ask her about perhaps her marriage, was this pregnancy caused by normal relations in a marriage or was it truly caused by a rape. I assume that's part of the counseling that goes on.”
Winder said, “I believe the state does have an interest in the life of the unborn. That's what the debate's about. Does it add cost? Yes, it does. I would just ask you to consider the pricelessness of the unborn.” He noted the Senate's recent commemoration of military members killed in Iraq and Afghanistan in the past year. “Each person has a life story,” Winder said. “Those were cut short. Let's not choose to cut others short.”
Originally posted by jibeho
Before I became a father and an uncle I had a more liberal stance on this issue.
That entire experience changed me forever.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by jibeho
Originally posted by jibeho
If I'm forcing my views... What are you doing??
Fighting for women's rights to their own bodies.
When a woman is raped, and brought to the hospital (which keep rape kits on hand for such emergencies) they will, during the course of treating her, KNOW if she is pregnant or not. Obviously, if she is already pregnant, then it wasn't the product of rape. If she becomes pregnant AFTER the rape - it seriously implies it was the product of rape. (I don't know of many women who'll jump right back into the sack with their husband after being raped.)
Despite progress made by women's groups to encourage women to report rape, it continues to go unreported. Although reporting has increased over the past decade, only 30% of attempted rapes and completed rapes are reported to the police according to the National Institute of Justice. Rape goes unreported because of the intersection of consent and coercion. Consent is the central element of the definition of rape. Rape only occurs when a women does not consent to sexual contact. Coercion is the practice of compelling a person to involuntarily behave in a certain way (whether through action or inaction) by use of threats, initimidation or some other form of pressure or force. Coercion may typically involve the actual infliction of physical or psychological harm in order to enhance the credibility of a threat. The threat of further harm may then lead to the cooperation or obedience of the person being coerced. In stranger rape the establishment of nonconsensual sex through coercion is easily ascertained. In acquaintance rape it is less clear.