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Fields of Fear: The Alien Connection (Cattle Mutilations).

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posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 02:24 AM

Originally posted by one4all
Just throw your dog a big steak and look at the edges of it after he takes a bite,CASE CLOSED ON THE PREDATORS.
A steak is muscle tissue. The "surgical cuts" are on skin which behaves differently than muscle tissue. Also a dog is one of only 15 scavengers mentioned in the link I just posted. So you haven't even opened the case by only considering one of the 15, much less closed it.

posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 08:34 PM
reply to post by Arbitrageur

For the record, i have no assumptions about what have caused these mutilations. I just personally find the scavenger explanation to be lacking.
But to be honest, there are flaws with every theory. I'm certainly not going to assume aliens.
Government would seem to make sense,'s the freaking government. If they wanted to do testing on cows, they could just BUY some damn cows. It's not like cows are hard to come by. How much sense would it make for them to do testing on other people's cows and leave them as evidence when they could just get some cows of their own and run tests in private?

posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 10:41 PM

Originally posted by Maroboduus
For the record, i have no assumptions about what have caused these mutilations. I just personally find the scavenger explanation to be lacking.
If you read the link I posted, and find the information to be incomplete or not credible or lacking, there are always the official reports which go into more specific detail.

But if you still find reason to dismiss it after reading all that, then I respect your informed conclusion.

What I find is far more common is dismissing the scavenger explanation without even understanding it, or without reading those sources (like the silly example of a dog eating a steak posted earlier). It's difficult to have any respect for such an uninformed dismissal.

And obviously the author concludes that predation doesn't necessarily explain all cases, because she ends the article by asking people to call and report cases for further investigation, where scavenging appears to be ruled out as a cause.
edit on 26-8-2012 by Arbitrageur because: clarification

posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 11:53 PM
I consider it to be renegades, and Black Ops, secret operations so Humans primarily. Its not ET, Higher Ups.

posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 12:34 AM
reply to post by Arbitrageur

Not true,and I have personally seen a mutilated cow up close.I am exactly right,dont split hairs,if you throw the dog a removed anus and the dog takes a bite out of it the rip marks will still be as obvious as the tear marks in the "steak"I am not guessing I grew up on a farm and have seen it all,the "tissue type"is a smokescreen,there will be even more obvious signs validateing predatory bite marks because the types of tissues more specificlly will leave long and stretched tendrils of tissue where the animal had to actually pull the connective tissues and coatings apart like taffy.

I have seen a cored out cow,and it is literally cored like an apple would be,it is unmistakably not predatory in origin.

Just google some videos of hyenas or wolves or any predator killing and eating its prey,you will see firstly how difficult and messy it is to take down and kill a large ungulate like a cow,then after you see all of the dirty work involved in that you will note that there arent many ways for predators to accomplish this task,hence we can easily identify the forensic trail of a predatory attack,if that is in fact how the animals were felled,if the animals were carcasses to start with we can also watch scavengers in nature eating dead animals so we can see exactly where they start and the damages they do,and there isnt that much wiggle room or difference from predator to predator,this isnt jack the ripper here right its an animal.

We need to be realistic and consider the types of predators or carnivores that have situational acess to these cattle and not simply take a globalistic view of predatory interaction as if all these types of predators can be considered in that vein,the truth is that there are very FEW possible options in most cases and we can look at the behaviours of these specific animals easily,say it a coyote,badger,crow,magpie,fox,black bear ect we can analyse each seperately and eliminate it easily---fact is most of these cattle arent out in the north forty ,they are close to farms and people--so only a few of the listed predators would have acess to them,the particular predators and their numbers may change but each mutilation is unique and has limited situational dynamics.

Consider the heli-copters,how many times do you think choppers fly over a typical farmhouse or their fields??Seriously,I remember the times it happened as a kid for me and there were three,thats it.So now consider the prevelance of helicopter sightings around these events,and consider they may be observeing or superviseing something.

There are no predators that can do what I saw done to a cows body,and its not just whats done,its the position of the animal,and something feels weird or not right in some way,your spider senses begin to tingle at 100%.

This issue is so dramatised,anyone can do simple experiments in their own kitchen to observe the obvious differences in cutting with an edged blade and with a dull blade,no carnivores teeth cut like an edged blade or a scalpel,and yes I have been bitten by everything from dogs to pigs to mice to racoons to horses,personally.

Its not rockey science we all tear into meat,we all bite the same at one time or another.Just try to bite a rare steak as cleanly as a knife cut,then double your rateing of your own tear and you will still see there is NO WAY anyone can miss the obvious differences.

I am not trying to be closeminded but sometimes we allow ourselves to be sidetracked to easily,by BS.and really we all have experience biteing and cutting,so we need to stop the BS,and get to the mat of the issue,pardon the pun.

That being that if it isnt predators damageing already dead cows,then its people,and because most farmers are armed,we would have dead or captured mutilators by now undoubtably,so who is doing this,what groups are working together>>Thats the meat of it all.

posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 01:08 AM
reply to post by Arbitrageur

I read the link, and it is very persuasive. The most persuasive reasoning i have seen in regards to the topic.

But my issue is (and maybe i'm just stupid and am reading incorrectly): they explain how certain scavengers can account for particular parts of the cow's body being missing. For example, coyotes feed on the nose, tongue, anus, scrotum, and mammary gland; red foxes remove the lips, udder and genitals; skunks eat the ears, nose and tongue.
So, on cows that are missing ALL of those organs, are we to assume that multiple types of scavengers have fed on that corpse? None of the habits of any single animal listed can account for the entire array of usual characteristics.
edit on 27-8-2012 by Maroboduus because: (no reason given)

posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 04:28 AM
reply to post by greyer

Yes, thanks for clarifying. I do not remember who spread what inforation to Bennewitz. However, I have seen in one of the reports of mutilation (I don't remember where but must have been NM state), some item was left, was it goggles, mask, or something else. It suggested someone (human) did that.

Also I have heard about the drop from a helicopter but wouldn't someone hear the sounds made by the animal? Or if already dead, wouldn't the corpse have lots of broken bones from the height it was dropped?

posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 04:44 AM
reply to post by Maroboduus

I found it pretty persuasive also.

Keep in mind that the scavengers are native to a particular area. Those 15 scavengers were in Canada. In Scotland, the scavengers may be somewhat different.

But I see no reason why multiple types of scavengers wouldn't feed on the same carcass, though they might not all be doing it at the same time. Here's a time lapse video of lots of different types of scavengers feeding on an elephant:

I saw quite a few different types of birds and mammals feeding on the elephant.

I read about an experiment where a cow was observed as scavengers fed on it, but I never saw any video of it, but I fully expect to see different types of birds and mammals feeding on a cow carcass also, if someone ever makes a similar time lapse video of that.

posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 09:59 AM

Originally posted by Imtor
Also I have heard about the drop from a helicopter but wouldn't someone hear the sounds made by the animal? Or if already dead, wouldn't the corpse have lots of broken bones from the height it was dropped?

In that case by the Dulce individuals the animal did have broken bones. The silent helicopter let go some type of sedative gas in the area to put the cow asleep, then without touching the ground tied straps around the legs, took the cow to another location and dropped it and the whole thing was different. I say this because there was indeed a sedative tranquilizer found. It is smart to commit these type of acts because a force to be mysterious like the pastures up north from the base in San Lious Valley. In this valley, the interesting type of UFOs (glowing and looking like a spaceship) were seen since the 60s. It can be easy to believe they are man made. For a paramilitary operation to take place would mean that one or two silent helicopters would be an explaination for everybody, and that is all they need. Tex Graves witnessed 5 or 6 events which were truly unexplainable before he started to believe. One of the cows dug a hole with its head and the rest of his body was paralyzed, one of the cows was taken into an under water shaft, cattle appearing out of nowhere. They took the news station camera person there (it was sensitive so they weren't thinking of showing it) and photographed the UFOs over the pastures. One large glowing UFO, smallers one would come out of it, they were seen flying into the ground but would mostly disappear.

I found this interesting correlation - cattle mutilations and abductions.

Curious as to how cattle were being selected by the mysterious mutilators, an interesting experiment was conducted on July 5, 1978 by Valdez, Gomez, and retired scientist Howard Burgess. The three penned up about 120 of the Gomez beef cattle and moved them through a squeeze chute under an ultra-violet light. They found a 'glittery substance on the right side of the neck, the right ear, and the right leg.'

Derrel Sims, Chief Investigator of UFO Abductions for Houston UFO Network (HUFON), discovered unusual fluorescence markings on numerous abductees who claimed alien contact. According to Sims, he got the idea from his research and the fact that fluorescence - a luminescent light emission in the presence of an ultraviolet (black light) energy source.

posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 09:59 PM
Dudes, enough of this already.

Like I said.. Why would a super intelligent race of beings capable of inter-stellar galactic travel come here and..............STEAL A COW??

Stop romanticising this idea.

posted on Aug, 28 2012 @ 02:40 PM
thanks for the information

posted on Aug, 28 2012 @ 03:10 PM
reply to post by Zcustosmorum

theres giant holes in the scavenger theory, tests have been done that show it will take scavengers about 3-5 days to make those kinds of damage, so your right there is something more to it

posted on Aug, 28 2012 @ 03:50 PM

Originally posted by tawewe
Dudes, enough of this already.

Like I said.. Why would a super intelligent race of beings capable of inter-stellar galactic travel come here and..............STEAL A COW??

I am not of the alien mindset. If you are, would you explain how you and your alien friends accomplish this task?

posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 06:20 PM
Now personally, I think there's more to some of these cases than we know and the scavenger theory just doesn't cut it for me (pardon the pun
. I've also heard other reports from around the world, including some interesting stuff in Scotland regarding seals (as well as cattle).

I remember that one about the seals,were'nt they getting killed in some weird corkscrew markings fashion?.I think Linda Moulton Howe broke that one.......any final answers?

posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 07:12 PM

I am not the alien mindset. If you are, would explain how you and your alien friends accomplish this task?

Exactly! And by task you mean what exactly? Hypothetical Rumours become like chinese whispers and then before you know it, ALIENS put the iceberg there that sunk the Titanic.....PROOF! At the bottom of the Sea, and then a whole documentary gets televised with "credible" witnesses that may or may not have seen orange orbs !!

End the rediculousness of it.

edit on 15/08/11 by tawewe because: Don't think I showed the quote part properly

posted on Sep, 1 2012 @ 12:13 PM
nyet nabooboo,ha ha ha,now we can have all of our redneck cowboys loading up their rifles and searching for marked cattle which will lead them to aliens which will make them millionaires when they have a real dead body to sell,especially with the economy being what it is,there are a lot of entrapeneaurs out there.

WHOOOO EEEE!!!! Billy-Bob ,go git yer rifle,wees a goin alien hunnin my littly buddy!!!

If the government wont help us by discloseing the truth and we are exposed to abductions,then we have a terran right to protect ourselves,and we are allowed to be proactive in that intent.

Actually,this is one of the first real solid tactical dynamics I have seen develop with this issue.A way to Shanghei the thieves.One we can all use,and like Arnie said,if it bleeds--I can kill it.I am not advocateing violence ,simply pointing out that we have a terran right to defend ourselves independant of any linear governing body in the universe,we are islands unto ourselves in a universal sense.

I am an abductee and i was taken by humans like you and i so I really cant see any normal human laying the lead on them without first negotiating,the other races of greys and little brown wrinkly people might take some incomeing ordinance,but only out of lack of knowledge which leads to fear.

And really in my experiences the Human military were absolutely like us and compassionate but deadly serious,so bad idea to screw with them,but they respect us as humans,I cannot speak for all the other races,I only felt malevolence from a tall skinny grey working on me medicly and that was after I opened a can of emotional whup-ass on him
in a reactionary manner.And the group that took me numbered five

Humans in blue one-piece military uniforms
Human in white robe
Grey-tall skinney--operateing on me
Grey short telepathic piloted small craft to moon and are there in bases
Small robed wrinkley skinned,leathey wrinkely skinned ,ewok type people,who I cant really remember much about,just their function or jobs.

This was a co-alition or a group working together for some reason,it was like the Military were overseeing something the greys were doing and there was an intermediary human consultant also overseeing and assisting in a support capacity the greys by handleing humans who were awake and aware.The little robed guys were like contractors,peripheral in nature.

I know there are a minimum of five races capable of abducting and implanting humans and bovines,I must assume through this knowledge and experience therefore that there are an unknown but greater number of races similar to this that I havent seen yet,and useing simple math,if I just found five and each of the five had at some point found five we have a much bigger potential number here in front of us dont we??

Ultimately the question is how do we force our governments to protect us from this threat,or to stop the agreed upon abductions??

Our governments are at the end of every road here folks,and this bovine issue is peripheral.Heres some data,the bovine molecular DNA is utilised to enable the implanting through the fooling of our auto-immune systems useing this bovine molecular DNA, when grafting to nerves.There is current research being done on human nasal tissues related to this process.And does anyone know what allelles are?Because I have had several focused dreams about an allelle--bovine connection??Tailoring allelles to put in us useing bovine DNA as the carrier,fooling our bodies somehow??I dont know the connections but if anyone does know what allelles are and how they work and if bovine connections to allelles are possible let me know--I seriously havent a clue,I just know I was directed there.

It is a dog eat dog universe out there,and we arent any less safe knowing there are other races who may hurt or take us,this isnt exactly a new danger to humans right?The knowledge simply gives us ALL A TARGET TO FIRE AT if we feel threatened.What kind of force would try to hide a threat like this from the populace,leaveing us intentionally vulnerable,our children vulnerable???

They can be seen,they are material as we are,they can die,and they can dam well ask to come in for coffee like everyone else,and buy their human tissues the same place the Universitys do for their classes.And their bovine tissues the same place we buy ours!!!

In a Hollywood movie humans might infect these cows we find with markers on them with biological agents or markers of our own,right??Tit for Tat so to speak??Just sayin.

I personally have no bone to pick,I am here arent i??On behalf of others I may have a wee bit of an issue.

I wasnt mistreated in the conventional manner within the context of being mistreated by being kidnapped,because as soon as it was known that I was awake and aware within the dynamic of the kidnapping itself my wishes were believe it or not stricly respected aside from the military protocal whic

posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 09:08 PM
After listening to the video again, there is nothing more important than to say that Kevin Randle is positively an absolute idiot. What a shame and such a pathetic denial of truth, or just a complete ignorance which gives no rights for any words.

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