Abortion as seen through a perspective of civil rights.

Originally posted by kyviecaldges
Just so ya know. You are wrong.
A person with legit power of attorney can request that a machine be turned off if the person on the machine can only live through the machine.
We never know what will happen tomorrow.
Said person in a coma is alive and can survive indefinitely while the machine is keeping them alive.
If they were to be alive one more day then they could wake up and invent a tree that grows money and then everybody could be bajillionaires.

are there any examples were the plug was pulled from a patient that doctors expected to recover?
nevertheless, people in this situation are sick
fetuses are healthy
generally speaking of course

Originally posted by kyviecaldges
But what if it doesn't grow properly.
The only thing developing it is a machine, just like the person in a coma who YOU wanted to kill earlier.

You murderer.

Maybe we should wait until we invent a time machine so that we can look into the future to see if people will be worth life in order to decide who we should abort and who should be allowed access to the fetal development machine.

the expected result changes everything
where or when did I try to kill a person in coma?
you are the one saying that as long as a persons life is dependent on a machine then
we should be able to kill them
I guess for you people will implanted defibrillators have lost their right to live

So has anything been accomplished yet?

Has anybody changed their mind on this particular issue?

Originally posted by kyviecaldges

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by kyviecaldges

 

No worries.

For a debate to go 49 pages must mean that there is something substantive to talk about.

As for my debate partners?
*applause*

Again, I trust that they are smarter than I and so far, they've shown more insight into the topic and have proven me right.

And how exactly have they proven you right, especially in the context of civil rights?

Isn't that the topic of this debate?
Didn't it say something about civil rights in the title?

They proven me right when I stated that they were smarter than me.

reply to post by kyviecaldges

You stay classy ErtainaGia.

Quality addition there chief.

Thank you very much!

Originally posted by kyviecaldges
reply to post by Annee

 

It's easier.

I wouldn't say that.

Wire clothes hangers are as easy and effective as a rubber band.

Oh that's sad. And to close to true.

OK - - - women have always held the burden - - it's man's turn.

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
So has anything been accomplished yet?

Has anybody changed their mind on this particular issue?

I never expected anyone to change their minds. But I hope that someone, anyone looks at abortion now with a different perspective.

reply to post by quietlearner


I get the feeling that you wouldn't pass the turing test quietlearner.

quietlearner... are you from the states?

if so, wherebouts regionally?

have you ever taken any ESL classes?

I am seriously asking you these questions.
I am trying to decide if you are a murderer of people in a coma.

reply to post by beezzer

They proven me right when I stated that they were smarter than me.

Star for that one mate.

Well folks, keep talkin' this dumb bunny has to go make the doughnuts!

See ya in a few hours.

(my favorite thread ever!)

beez

Originally posted by kyviecaldges
reply to post by quietlearner

 

I get the feeling that you wouldn't pass the turing test quietlearner.

quietlearner... are you from the states?

if so, wherebouts regionally?

have you ever taken any ESL classes?

I am seriously asking you these questions.
I am trying to decide if you are a murderer of people in a coma.

attacking my intelligence and grammar
Quality addition there chief.

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
So has anything been accomplished yet?

Has anybody changed their mind on this particular issue?

I haven't really changed my mind
though I think I have gained a wider view on this issue
good mentally stimulating thread
even if there were some bad apples

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone

Has anybody changed their mind on this particular issue?

Me?

Not even a little bit.

reply to post by Serdgiam


Yes, the father helped as well. But he could not provide for us because he could not find a job after graduating. So all of it mostly laid on my shoulders.
Affordable and quality child care would be nice. I spend a lot of money on childcare just to be able work. Thus, every month after paying all bills I pretty much have nothing to spend on my son. Free education: it is a hard subject for me. I have two degrees, one from my native country and one from an American college. It has not helped me so far in getting a well paid job. Of course, I do not regret getting an education, but in this economy, unfortunately, education is not a guarantee of a good income. We already have some programs like WIC to help, but I do not think it is enough. For instance, if you are unemployed and have an infant, it won't help you much.

Originally posted by LanaDan
We already have some programs like WIC to help, but I do not think it is enough. For instance, if you are unemployed and have an infant, it won't help you much.

It is definitely sad. Almost like you are being punished for having a child.

There are programs - - - but finding them takes a lot of effort. So far I've found word of mouth is the only way to find them. Talk talk talk to other mothers. Which is not easy if you're working all the time.

My grandson's teeth were really bad. By accident (talking to someone at a playground) we found a program that did them for free.

The status of the fetus is completely subjective, a woman who got pregnant because she wanted to will feel happy, and feel love for the developing fetus. A woman who is depressed, or raped and got pregnant will not feel the same way. These women will do anything to get rid of the fetus, even as far as having someone else inflict blunt force trauma to her abdomen in hopes of having a miscarriage.

No matter what laws get passed against abortion, we simply cannot get rid of it. If a woman can't go to a clinic to get an abortion performed she will turn to alternative methods. This is why I think abortion should remain legal.

No country committed to civil liberty should ban abortions and force women to have "back-alley" abortions.

Originally posted by muse7
The status of the fetus is completely subjective, a woman who got pregnant because she wanted to will feel happy, and feel love for the developing fetus. A woman who is depressed, or raped and got pregnant will not feel the same way.

What?

You listening to the same doctor as Todd Akin?

reply to post by Annee


I don't really know how you came to that conclusion, but no I'm not.

2nd

It is definitely sad. Almost like you are being punished for having a child.

Agree.

There are programs - - - but finding them takes a lot of effort. So far I've found word of mouth is the only way to find them. Talk talk talk to other mothers. Which is not easy if you're working all the time.

Agree. It took me a lot of research to find some programs.

Originally posted by muse7
reply to post by Annee

 

I don't really know how you came to that conclusion, but no I'm not.

2nd

I don't really agree with you.

I think a woman has compassion for a developing life.

However - - - the emotions attached to the responsibility of the child differ by circumstance.

reply to post by Annee


I think the way a woman views the zygote depends on the state of mind of the woman.

A happy woman who wanted to get pregnant and wants a family will talk to it, give it a name and buy clothes for it. But a depressed woman or one who faces financial burdens or who got pregnant as a result of rape will not look at the situation the same way.

That's why I think it's subjective.