Arguing.

It seems to me that people always take sides on things in this country. Politics, abortion rights, right to bear arms, Gay rights, organic or natural foods, vegans or meateaters, fluoride in water, environmental issues, chemtrails, necessity of wars, cigarette smokers, etc... For gods sake there are fights at ball games between fans. I think all this turmoil is structured by the people who are in charge of this country and maybe even influenced by connections abroad. What better way to put a veil over our eyes than to get us mad at other people like ourselves. Keep the common people arguing and they will not see that we have stole all the real money and that most everything is a lie. This ploy is one of the best ways to keep us from uniting and kicking out the deceivers. The use of fear is another way and making everyone feel like a criminal is another. If that doesn't work they say let the person without sin throw the first stone. I tell you, between this and the alchemy used to make us stupified, I don't know how we can even get anything done in life.

I'm not afraid of a mosquito. I'm not going to argue with people about politics. I try to show people that their beliefs are misguided and that neither party is actually right but people are so misled they only see one side. This is what TPTB wants. They want us to fear the NWO even though the NWO may be good people taking charge. I don't think I have met many people in my life who can see they are misguided. Even the schools teach our young that the kids will know more than their parents when they get done with school. They implied that when I was a kid and they are still implying it today. There is no generation gap, it is a made up lie. Kids are not smarter than their parents most times. Parents have been blinded and so have the kids.

Any opinions or other examples that you have please feel free to add them. I can learn more also, just like everyone else.

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You hit the nail right on the head. The tactics are divide and rule, It's what the world powers have used from the very beginning.

Originally posted by DAZ21
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You hit the nail right on the head. The tactics are divide and rule, It's what the world powers have used from the very beginning.

if your at the top,,, what goes on at the bottem doesnt really matter,,, either political side can win,,, your still rich and powerful.

Originally posted by ImaFungi

Originally posted by DAZ21
reply to post by rickymouse

 

You hit the nail right on the head. The tactics are divide and rule, It's what the world powers have used from the very beginning.

if your at the top,,, what goes on at the bottem doesnt really matter,,, either political side can win,,, your still rich and powerful.

I beg to differ. You want the people at the bottom to argue amongst themselves, so political parties are a weapon of the elite. This stops people from being united, and are hense, easier to control.

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Such an old concept and yet it still works so well. I guess it is one thing that doesn't need improving. Old technology at it's finest.

reply to post by rickymouse

Get over yourself. What you call an argument is people disagreeing with you.

People differ in what they believe, and don't always go along with you for what you believe, so you call it an argument, or arguing.

Seems to me you lack in maturity if you can't go along with an argument.

Oh, Lord, the world scares me today, if people can't argue and debate............sheeeeeeeeeeeeeesh, and to make a thread over something so silly, sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh!!!!!!

I like a good argument??????

This is the funniest thread I've come across so far.
Clearly, it is the work of the non-existing NWO-people that I do not agree with this topic.

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That isn't the point. You can learn to alter your perception from debating, but most times people only reinforce their perception by arguing. You are steering away from the point of the thread. It is the arguing of the common people that keeps TPTB in charge I have no problems with people arguing with me and I can usually get evidence to discredit most people but do not desire to make enemies of anyone. Some think they are above the common people but in actuality there are only a thousand at the top and everyone else is a puppet of different sorts.

Originally posted by Sulie
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Get over yourself. What you call an argument is people disagreeing with you.

People differ in what they believe, and don't always go along with you for what you believe, so you call it an argument, or arguing.

Seems to me you lack in maturity if you can't go along with an argument.

Oh, Lord, the world scares me today, if people can't argue and debate............sheeeeeeeeeeeeeesh, and to make a thread over something so silly, sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh!!!!!!

Have you got a kebab?

You don't have to start an argument for arguments sake.

DP

What you have brought up is an incredibly broad and unwieldy topic whose debate and consideration is far more ancient than us and requires far more time, people, reflection, dialectics, facts and systematic thinking than this forum (nor myself) can provide. However, your main point seems to be this:

That those of us amongst the global society (that being a topic in an of itself) who have been disenfranchised politically, economically, and socially are kept this way due to political, economic and military elite's ability to use sophisticated and unsophisticated rhetorical tools, through diverse and wide array of media outlets, to not only indoctrinate the disenfranchised into perpetual servitude, but--cleverly enough--embed those same rhetorical arguments into the conscious of said servants so that the servants will also rehash those "arguments" for the elite, thus making them appear authentic and beneficial to a certain sector of the servants, while keeping other (perhaps more dangerous or aware) servants at bay.

If I have precisely defined your meaning, I would go on to suggests that what the elites have done (Though I would argue, alternatively, that most elites are not themselves fully aware of what they are doing...really enslaved by their own rhetorical tools, while ignorantly reaping the benefits) is created a sort of highly-complex and deeply historically/socially embedded cultural meme. This meme simply being: the elite people deserve x, because they have or do y, and that the "lower class" deserve w, because the "lower class" do/have z. This seems to be a common theme through out all governments. Yet, the disconnect is this: that the elite class seem not notice that y occurs because z exist, and more complexly because lower class end up with w.

There has been every manner of governmental, social and economic systems to try to address this issue. All of them have seemed to fall short, mainly do to limited resources, human nature, failure of human perception and imagination...and so on. This closest to realizing the dream of human equality and dignity have been federalist/democratic/republic/constitutional governments with some form of capitalism (usually greatly tempered/regulated by a strong and present central government to avoid plutocracy/aristocratic tendencies). This however has failed (as I see it, anyway), because the the democratic/constitutional nations, d, seem to require unstable/autocratic nations,c, in order to more efficiently extract the resources needed for these modern democratic/constitutional-capitalistic to survive. Yet, d does not seem to realize that c must be c in order for d to be d. Also, c, while seeking to be some parochial form of d, is perpetually in conflict with d, because of the previous assertion. (If that makes sense).

I honestly believe that is the root cause of many of the worlds problems and the aforementioned topic at hand, the disconnect between elite and not-elite: Conflicting interest due never-ending expansion of modern civilization in a world of limited resources and man's limited imagination to solve this issue through radical (or not so radial) rethinking of our current global societal/economic/political system. Also are limited imagination and drive towards creating innovations (in spite of personal capitalistic gain, rather than because of) that could relieve this present predicament.

I apologize for the wall of text and for my inability to make my point more concise and precise.

-theghoster

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Which is where meritocracy would suceed, refering to the ending of your post.

What are your thoughts on such a political movement?

Originally posted by rickymouse
reply to post by Sulie

 

That isn't the point. You can learn to alter your perception from debating, but most times people only reinforce their perception by arguing. You are steering away from the point of the thread. It is the arguing of the common people that keeps TPTB in charge I have no problems with people arguing with me and I can usually get evidence to discredit most people but do not desire to make enemies of anyone. Some think they are above the common people but in actuality there are only a thousand at the top and everyone else is a puppet of different sorts.

Well then, trying to avoid an argument, what is the point of your thread? People are going to argue, as they always have for a millenia.

Arguing gives gusto to life. It's been the bain of existance and the the making of it:



It's when it goes overboard and can't be fixed by reason that it gets overboard. Arguing is healthy. It has a means to an end, and if the end can't be reached, then there are problems.

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Perhaps, if it was allowed to operate unhampered and free of the human condition of being...well...human. But you and I are both too aware and too historically learned (at least, I hope we are ) to fall for the trap of seeing solutions in mono-ideologies or ideology derived social systems such as "meritocracy", "democracy", "communism", "socialism", "capitalism" and so on. I would argue that a society with a meritocratic spirit (though no overly meritocratic), combined with some form of open society (constitutional, democratic, federalist, etc) with strong technocratic and science/technology-driven administration is the only hope left for a global civilization that is at present choosing (and I say "choosing" very lightly here) to continue to advance beyond our present limitations.

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I also do not believe the elite all know they are contributing to this. They have been doing it for many generations and it is a way of life for them. I am not saying that all this is all bad either, it is a part of society today.

Are you a writer of congressional bills? Your post is written almost like a legal document. It has a lot of good content though, most everything true. Maybe you are a retired Government/Econ teacher or something.

reply to post by Sulie

Debating is healthy but if it pulls your focus off what you are supposed to keep your eyes on the fox will run off with your hens

Originally posted by rickymouse
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I also do not believe the elite all know they are contributing to this. They have been doing it for many generations and it is a way of life for them. I am not saying that all this is all bad either, it is a part of society today.

Are you a writer of congressional bills? Your post is written almost like a legal document.

It has a lot of good content though, most everything true. Maybe you are a retired Government/Econ teacher or something.

edit on 23-8-2012 by rickymouse because: (no reason given)

No, not at all. I'm just your average 24-year-old college grad who likes to use words as a way to clarify murky subjects. I do appreciate the comment though. Thanks.

reply to post by theghoster


Nice answer.

I can't wait to read your first thread.

Originally posted by rickymouse
reply to post by Sulie

 

Debating is healthy but if it pulls your focus off what you are supposed to keep your eyes on the fox will run off with your hens

Not really.l Once you get sucked into something that doesn't lead to a point realistically, your hens are already gone.

Guess losing hens on who is the debater, and who is the debatee.

Maybe they have plans for your hens!