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Originally posted by pajoly
Sane people know his religion. Only the insane conspiracy-minded Right wingers have any "questions" about his religion. The man has said it himself many times. You say "some people say he is a Muslim." "Some people" think clouds are made of cotton candy. There are no "some people" who do not know his religion excepting the cranks on the hard right who think he is secretly covering up being a Muslim in a big plot to bring Sharia law to American shores. You are no doubt one of them.
This is not about being "open minded" anymore than an idiot whining we have closed minds who refuse to debate the earth being flat.
Mods, is it possible to put people on ignore? This guy has earned that many times over.
"woman's primary place is in the home, where she is to rear children and abide by the righteous counsel of her husband". - LDS leader Bruce R. McConkie, 1966
Originally posted by RSF77
I seriously doubt Romney or Obama really holds any religious beliefs. They'll say whatever gets them favor on TV all day long, if you want to believe any of the crap they spew well... then... that's your right I guess.
It really doesn't even matter. Christian? Mormon? Yea right they don't even care, that stuff is just PR candy for the masses to bicker about while they screw us behind closed doors.
Originally posted by Zarniwoop
reply to post by sheepslayer247
Both the liberal and conservative media spinners make it difficult to be well informed on anything.
We need a better way to get facts.
Originally posted by RELDDIR
reply to post by Lucid Lunacy
Obama, Romney, or Paul...Whomever you vote for..... (as long as you're honest with yourself)
Originally posted by Flatfish
Originally posted by jjf3rd77
reply to post by pajoly
Do sane people really know his religion? Did they really research Obama's History? Did they really research the past "churches" he attended? Did they research the people who helped shape his philosophy?
If this documentary does what I think its going to do to the Mormon religion than we should be doing the same to Obama. Why are the highly religious always targeted like this?edit on 23-8-2012 by jjf3rd77 because: (no reason given)
Does it really matter what churches he attended in the past or what philosophies he was exposed too during his life? Is that how we determine a person's religious beliefs? Please!!! Just because I attend math class, doesn't make me a mathematician, or does it? If so, does that mean that Christine O'Donnell really was a witch?
Fundamentally, we must accept that a person's religious beliefs are what they say they are and the President has clearly stated on numerous occasions that he is a Christian while Romney has made it perfectly clear that he is a Mormon, these two facts should be undisputed.
So the real question that you're posing here is NOT whether we should "be doing the same to Obama," but rather should we be doing the same to Christianity and as far as I'm concerned, have at it! The only advice I could possibly offer is; "Be careful what you look for because you might just find it."
This may come to a surprise to you and the rest of the TP/GOP, but the phrase "I know you are but what am I" is not a winning strategy in the world of intelligent adult voters.
So how did they define it? Anti-Gay
No member of the Church can be accepted as in good standing whose way of life is one of rebellion against the established order of decency and obedience to law. We cannot be in rebellion against the law and be in harmony with the Lord, for he has commanded us to “be subject to the powers that be, until he reigns whose right it is to reign. …” - PRESIDENT JOSEPH FIELDING SMITH
Anti-Black
Anti women
How long did they talk about the faith and its traditions themselves?
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
Originally posted by Zarniwoop
reply to post by sheepslayer247
Both the liberal and conservative media spinners make it difficult to be well informed on anything.
We need a better way to get facts.
I disagree. The liberal media "spinners" do a horrible job compared to the Right-wing propaganda machine.
We do need a better way to get facts, but we need to be willing to accept fact even when it contradicts our personal political beliefs.
But it is still an integral part of their faith that homosexual acts are a sin, and those who participate in them are not worthy to be in the lords presence.
I would not really say their faith is Anti women, it does however paint them as less significant.
Originally posted by BritofTexas
Originally posted by MrDesolate
So you're suggesting it's a wise investment to "wind these people (Republican base) up", like otherwise they might vote Democrat?
No,
They are being whipped up into a frenzy to make sure they go out and vote.
Scare mongering has worked on the GOP base so far, so why would they change their tactic?
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
Originally posted by MrDesolate
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
Yes it is. One person can put out disinformation and propaganda and it can spread like wildfire throughout the uninformed masses.
You were talking about the Republican masses, which you apparently believe are much less informed than the Democrat masses. (Do I need to quote you on that?)
I don't believe they are less informed.....they are less informed. And they are not less informed than Democrats. TextThey are less informed than any other group. Period.
(Do I need to quote you on that?)
Yes, please. Finally, some hard facts/proof in this thread would be nice.
Personally, I believe we are more laid back, better informed
Originally posted by BritofTexas
Originally posted by MrDesolate
reply to post by BritofTexas
Let's back up a step. We were discussing the OP in that context. You think the GOP needs the thread starter here to wind people up into a frenzy to get their base to go out and vote?
Yes. I think the GOP and DNC employ posters on forums such as this.
(Just for fun, click on 'view posts' in a members profile. You'd be amazed how many seem to post 24/7)
And if you think it's only the Republicans that employ those scare tactics, you have not been paying attention. They've got Romney killing people with cancer, killing jobs, killing dogs, beating people up, and before it's over with I'm sure he will have dropped some diphtheria bombs on third world orphanages.
I don't think Democrats need to employ scare tactics, certainly not at the moment.
I haven't seen Romney being accused of being an Illegal, Communist, Muslim, Granny Killer,.....etc. (Or of being on the Mars base. )
I have however heard of the 'Romney Kitchen Spatula, Kitten Massacre" but I'm not to sure of the validity of that particular claim.
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Originally posted by jjf3rd77
reply to post by sheepslayer247
Not entirely. The topic is NBC's fascination with Mormonism and how they have blinders on when anybody asks a question about what shaped Obama's philosophy!
This thread is proof of what the NBC types look like when you ask a question about Obama's religion or past for that matter.edit on 23-8-2012 by jjf3rd77 because: (no reason given)
They are either deliberately being obtuse, are in denial or totally in the tank for Obama to the point they would sell out the whole country,
The fact of the matter is they can't handle the truth.
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by jjf3rd77
The topic is NBC's fascination with Mormonism
What fascination?
This thread is about how you think it's wrong for NBC to ask Romney about his faith. How dare they?
And then you turn it around and ask why they haven't asked Obama about his faith. But another member comes in and shows how Obama's faith has been covered by the media....many times.
In fact, let's read your OP:
NBC Claimed that they asked Romney for an interview about Mormonism to discover more about the faith that has shaped him. After all these years, people still have questions about what religion Obama actually is. Some say he is a Muslim, some say he is Christian, some say he isn't very religious. Which is it? NBC Why You no cover Obama?
What does NBC, Romney and Mormonism have to do with Obama? But you sure had to toss it in there. If you are not an inspiring propagandist, what purpose does your rhetoric serve?
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Well we will see what kind of malarkey the reporters come up with on the show, but from what I have been hearing there are some very wonderful Mormons,
Mormonism is a Christian belief with some differences.
There are 1500 Christian sects in America alone - - - with some differences.
Finding accurate information on the Net about Mormons - - - is next to impossible - - - unless you already have some real knowledge.
I was Mormon for 5 years. Non-Mormons would ask me a question - - then flat out tell me I was wrong when I gave them an answer.
I don't know why some non-Mormons think they are experts on Mormonism - - - but they do. It's weird (not the religion - - but that non-Mormons seem to think they know more about it then an actual Mormon).
I think it would be great to do a factual accurate documentary on Mormonism - - - and dispel the nonsense so many claim about Mormonism.
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by Stormdancer777
They are either deliberately being obtuse, are in denial or totally in the tank for Obama to the point they would sell out the whole country, The fact of the matter is they can't handle the truth.
They are either deliberately being obtuse, are in denial or totally in the tank for Obama to the point they would sell out the whole country,
Way to take it to extremes.
TexPlease provide us a short synopsis as to why he is intentionally collapsing the econcomy, oh wise one?