reply to post by Wrabbit2000
Hi, sorry, the weekend was a big one for a change – it’s strange for me to be away from ATS for longer than a day…..
Any-way, in order of points you are making.... (My responses start with an A.) We may have gotton a little bit off-topic, so I will try and bring it
back into line OP.
First, your describing the hard conditions in confinement for a man I'm quite frankly sorry has lived this long and ought to die by whatever means
the law prescribes under the Treason laws he knew and broke. Of course, it's been a few decades since Treason meant much more than a term in a law
book, so I won't get my wish. He wants out though...I'm am 100% totally confident he'll never get his wish, either. So I'm good with that.
A. No man should be treated like that for whatever crime he has committed, it is barbaric and inhuman and I would expect better from a government
that portrays itself as the ‘moral leader’ of the world.
His motives are of absolutely no concern to me. 3 factors make him forfeit to the life he still has left him, in my view.
1. He didn't release what he objected to. He released everything he could effectively download, blindly, from the entire military and government
network he had any access to download from. Somewhere in there could have been details of his OWN BASE and all the enemy would have needed to over-run
it and wipe out the very people who looked at him every morning and said hello, thinking he was a fellow Soldier, friend and man they could trust. He
couldn't have known and didn't care. Out the door it went..by the Gigabyte.
A. I believe he objected to everything he saw. He then grabbed as much data as he could with the intention to try and show the world, I still think
this is a good thing. He may have put in jeopardy the life’s of many people. I am thinking of 2 quotes: “The needs of the many outweigh the needs
of a few” or perhaps a quote that America likes to use “acceptable losses”.
2. He didn't care to tell anyone his motives and he didn't care to stand for his great moral outrage. He literally opened the flood gates to the
whole universe of classified intelligence he could get....then he hid. He put effort into hiding, in fact and had to be hunted down. Those aren't the
actions of a man in the midst of moral outrage. Those are the actions of a coward and a traitor.
A. I don’t think that you could tell anyone, nor stand about his moral outrage, what he did and the way he did it he saw as his only option
(release and run) being scared is ok.
3. The damage #1 did is incalculable. It isn't JUST about Military things or specific actions we all found far over the line which that material
exposed. It was EVERYTHING. He didn't even limit the extreme damage to just the United States and our diplomatic position for years and perhaps much
longer. He burned every nation and leader who even TALKED to us and had that mentioned in Classified State Department cables back to whoever Secretary
of State was at the time it was written.
A. The diplomatic position or outlook of the US government is appalling and needed to be exposed. Not only the childish and outright corruption, but
the inability to think that you do no wrong. America is not the world police, nor should it be.
The world is on the edge of World War and nations are ALL looking at each other like it's high noon at the OK Corral. Maybe Manning had nothing to do
with that, when his treason destroyed trust between nations. Maybe it had quite a bit. It's impossible for us to ever know.....but he's earned NO
benefit of any doubt.
A. Manning had nothing to do with that. The world has always known your government is corrupt and evil, the leaking of emails showed just how much.
As a side note, that material he released had a great number of names and personal details to figure out names of assets and agents who worked with
the U.S. AND our allies. To think no one died as a DIRECT result of what he released is silly...even if a list of names, absolute certain, may never
be available to quantify it.
A. Acceptable losses…. America thinks its ok to kill innocent civilians – I think its ok to expose America and its agents.
Finally, you lump Julian Assange and Manning together.
A. I only said that Assanage released the info, not lumping them together. Assanage stands up for what is right you’re correct – but not all men
have his balls and that’s ok as well in my book, you don’t need balls to do the right thing.
Back on topic OP – I wish that Australia would break its silence on Assanage, our pitiful government for always doing what America wants makes me
sick. How they have left him and sneaked away into a corner because America said ‘boo’ really does make me want to up-chuck.