can you tell me phage , what is your plan if the emergency generator does not come on?

Next year the sun is due to peak in current 11year solar storm cycle.

So until this solar max is over there will always be a risk.

Originally posted by Phage
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can they deal with extraordinary power outages? an extreme event caused during the peak of a solar storm cycle?

What is an extraordinary power outage? Is that when the power really, really goes out as opposed to just going out?

do they have procedures to deal with extraordinary events like tsunami's or exceptional solar flares? i think fukushima answered that question.

Fukushima did have a seawall. Too bad it wasn't high enough. But that's not the same thing as a geomagnetic storm. The only effect of a geomagnetic storm is on power grids (which they can damage) and satellites. If the power goes out the emergency generators come online.

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it still will damage the generator also unless their are properly grounded.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Trillium

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it still will damage the generator also unless their are properly grounded.

No it wont.
Geomagnetic storms are not the same as an EMP weapon.

Like i said better read some more because Geomagnetic storms can produce both.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Trillium

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it still will damage the generator also unless their are properly grounded.

No it wont.
Geomagnetic storms are not the same as an EMP weapon.

Geomagnetically induced currents (GICs) in long-line power delivery systems are caused by the rate-of-change of the geomagnetic field, just as in an E3 pulse.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Trillium

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Geomagnetically induced currents (GICs) in long-line power delivery systems are caused by the rate-of-change of the geomagnetic field, just as in an E3 pulse.

www.thespacereview.com...
Yes. That is what I said. The power grid is at risk. Emergency generators are not.
It is the E1 phase of an EMP weapon which can damage electronics. Geomagnetic storms do not produce an E1 phase.

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Yes Geomagnetic storms does mostly produce E3 pulse but can produce E2 & E1

The power surge will jump to sub-system
generator, scada, PLC, computor ETC......it all in the proper gounding of the system which most are not.

NOW multiply that by 10,000 to 100,000 Power Station and Sub-Station down 3 to 5 year.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Trillium

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Yes Geomagnetic storms does mostly produce E3 pulse but can produce E2 & E1

No.

The power surge will jump to sub-system
generator, scada, PLC, computor ETC......it all in the proper gounding of the system which most are not.

Yes, something plugged into the grid is at risk. Emergency generators are typically isolated from the grid.

NOW multiply that by 10,000 to 100,000 Power Station and Sub-Station down 3 to 5 year.

In a worst case scenario. Maybe.

Originally posted by Trillium

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Trillium

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Yes Geomagnetic storms does mostly produce E3 pulse but can produce E2 & E1

No.

The power surge will jump to sub-system
generator, scada, PLC, computor ETC......it all in the proper gounding of the system which most are not.

Yes, something plugged into the grid is at risk. Emergency generators are typically isolated from the grid.

NOW multiply that by 10,000 to 100,000 Power Station and Sub-Station down 3 to 5 year.

In a worst case scenario. Maybe.

You miss this part
I seen 120 KV line go bad fast to sub-system the ark flash is amazing just pure ionize air BOOM.

Your typically isolated generator will go up in smoke, I seen it happen with a bad ARK FLASH senario
and this was only 120,000 volt now think 200 KV line the 500 KV line
Now we have a SURGE off 1,000,000 volt induce on top off those line man get the popcorn out & a beer.

Now we have a SURGE off 1,000,000 volt induce on top off those line man get the popcorn out & a beer.